Bobo Dakes
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Seriously tho, he was beating him like that shit was personal.
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Seriously tho, he was beating him like that shit was personal.
He made fun of his love for ice cream.
Gohan's my #1 DB character. RoF killed me
It annoyed me for the same reason GT annoyed me. Toei forgetting about Ultimate Gohan. With the last 3 Gohan focused episodes, I kind of like RoF's existence more as a Gohan fan, I just wish they didn't botch the messaging on his development past that.
I hate what they did with his character more in the Universe 6 tournament/ Future Trunks arc than hate what happened in RoF now. But yeah, after RoF I wanted Super to be a failure and to burn for disgracing Gohan.
The biggest annoyance is the only reason we were fucked over so much in RoF, was because Gohan was the only saiyan going regular SSJ, and they had to make the callback to OG SSJ. If Gotenks was in the RoF movie, maybe things could have been different.
Tien's third eye made Pan cry.
One thing I forgot. You meet Champa in RoF, Beerus's twin brother. There's a 4 minute conversation between the 2 when Beerus and Whis are traveling to earth.
Most of the stuff in the Frieza arc worth watching, is prior to Goku and Vegeta appearing to fight. Keep in mind RoF is Super at it's worst animation wise. I think 25 is when Champa appears. Though most of the changes that are for the better were what I mentioned, so you should probably look out for them.
roflwaffles
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It still bugs me that Gohan's Ultimate form is a transformation and not just something he's in all the time.
Get rid of that Android Saga Yamcha look he has now without the bang, its hideous.
Get rid of that Android Saga Yamcha look he has now without the bang, its hideous.
Bobo Dakes
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Gohan's my #1 DB character. RoF killed me
It annoyed me for the same reason GT annoyed me. Toei forgetting about Ultimate Gohan. With the last 3 Gohan focused episodes, I kind of like RoF's existence more as a Gohan fan, I just wish they didn't botch the messaging on his development past that.
I hate what they did with his character more in the Universe 6 tournament/ Future Trunks arc than hate what happened in RoF now. But yeah, after RoF I wanted Super to be a failure and to burn for disgracing Gohan.
The biggest annoyance is the only reason we were fucked over so much in RoF, was because Gohan was the only saiyan going regular SSJ, and they had to make the callback to OG SSJ. If Gotenks was in the RoF movie, maybe things could have been different.
Tien's third eye made Pan cry.
Still did more in Ressurection F than he did in Battle of Gods.
They did him dirty in the Super arc tho.
NeonZ
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Making it an actual named transformation at least guarantees it won't be forgotten or inconsistently portrayed from this point on. The previous permanent state and vagueness was what led to GT and Gohan's initial situation in modern material.
The Silver
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The real question is a why was Gohan in bang form while saying goodbye to Trunks.
I suppose Gohan's situation could be looked on in a more positive light, knowing what we know now, but like you said the followup to his initial development in RoF was not handled well. I didn't mind the handling of his character so much in the Universe 6 arc because they at least showed him training; which in my mind was infinitely better than how the manga handled it, with Goku telling Vegeta he is a nerd now, so I wasn't feeling nearly as defeated about it. Sadly, though, in the Future Trunks arc we had Piccolo going on about how Gohan is no longer a fighter, even though we had no reason to believe he wasn't still training him on the side. This is an instance where I actually prefer how the manga handled it, with him apparently training in Vegeta's gravity room.Gohan's my #1 DB character. RoF killed me
It annoyed me for the same reason GT annoyed me. Toei forgetting about Ultimate Gohan. With the last 3 Gohan focused episodes, I kind of like RoF's existence more as a Gohan fan, I just wish they didn't botch the messaging on his development past that.
I hate what they did with his character more in the Universe 6 tournament/ Future Trunks arc than hate what happened in RoF now. But yeah, after RoF I wanted Super to be a failure and to burn for disgracing Gohan.
The biggest annoyance is the only reason we were fucked over so much in RoF, was because Gohan was the only saiyan going regular SSJ, and they had to make the callback to OG SSJ. If Gotenks was in the RoF movie, maybe things could have been different.
Also, when it comes to GT
bleh
This would be my recommended watching order, assuming you want to see the things that you missed between the movies...
Episodes 1-2
Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
Episodes 15-18
Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F
Episode 25 (Episode length- 23mins 24secs) watch 12:02-14:38 (takes place during Resurrection F)
Episodes 28+
You do miss some changes that they made in regards to both movies, but it really isn't all that important; and in the case of RoF, I would say some of it is for the worse *cough* Ginyu *cough*.
Ultimate Gohan has always been kind of a weird thing and barely understood until recently. And it kind of makes sense that it's a form since it just didn't happen when Old Kaioushin finished the ritual, he had to power up into the state, similar to SSJ. It's still not explained as well as it probably should be.
Fulminator
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ambar_hitman
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Holy shit please tell me its a fan made pic and not actual anime footage :O
The movie had top notch art and animation.
Fulminator
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It's the artists signature lol, took me a minute to figure out
Oh, it's real. For all the shit that episode 5 got animation-wise, the RoF arc is uglier throughout its entirety.
ambar_hitman
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Oh god. So the animation gets better later on I hope?
Thanks. I will go rewatch the episodes to catch Champa. Overall I am super excited to watch DB after I watched DBZ around 14 years ago. This brings me back. I am glad I skipped GT altogether.
The DVD's, and the Dub that aired look improved, but yeah Toei really messed up the BoG and RoF arc.
The first original arc started seeing improvements, but there were still some bad moments.
2nd original arc is where Super really improves in it's art and animation. There are still bad moments, but they're rarer. There's still the bad episode every now and then where for the most part the whole episode looks bad. It gets no where near RoF bad though. This is where the standards start to be held higher for Super in it's art and animation.
3rd original arc is where Super has shined in art and animation. For me none of the episodes have looked bad. There are episodes that look worse, than others, but Super has hit a much better standard in that department. So jarring to go back to the sub and even the dub of RoF.
Corronchilejano
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Toei has also shown great improvements in their stance against global warming.
Yes, exponentially so. It starts steadily improving with the arc following RoF and leads up to the glorious animation that we now witness from episode to episode (it is night and day compared to RoF).
No problem, I already had that list on hand for a friend. Also, if you specifically want to see the Champa scenes they are at
the end of Episode 18 and during Episode 25 from 12:02-14:38 (assuming the length is 23mins 24secs).
Undead Fantasy
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ambar_hitman
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Good to read that animation has improved later.
Also I have one doubt regarding the RoF movie. Goku almost gets killed by a stupid ray gun. How is that even possible? He can get hit by mountains and nothing happens, but a ray gun kills him? It is implied that because he let his guard down, he got hit. So are these guys like normal humans who can die by a gun shot if they don't have the "guard" up? And if yes, wtf is this guard? Some invisible KI force field?
Also I have one doubt regarding the RoF movie. Goku almost gets killed by a stupid ray gun. How is that even possible? He can get hit by mountains and nothing happens, but a ray gun kills him? It is implied that because he let his guard down, he got hit. So are these guys like normal humans who can die by a gun shot if they don't have the "guard" up? And if yes, wtf is this guard? Some invisible KI force field?
It's a little better in the TV version where he powers down first, but yeah it's silly lol
The idea is they're more susceptible to taking damage when their guard is down. It's where their power level is at, if they're powered up, an attack shouldn't hurt them, if they're powered down, an attack might do damage. The arc makes it a little better, cause Goku powers down to base when he gets shot, similar to how he powers down in the Frieza arc in Z, after giving Frieza his energy.
We kind of see this in Z when Krillin throws a rock at Goku when he's a SSJ, and it hurts him. Goku had his eyes closed and was relaxing. He was not ready, was not anticipating damage, and it hurt him because of that.
Same with how easy he goes down when Majin Vegeta hits him. if his guard was up, that attack would have still hurt, but it wouldn't have knocked him out.
I forgot he was SSB in the movie when he got shot, until rewatching it recently.
I feel like the guard down makes sense, there are just times in DB and Z that invalidate it, which is unfortunate. Story wise I think there's good intentions in this being a new plot point, as Goku or other characters should be punished for having their guard down, and it's a good way to keep in mind these people nearing the level of gods still have weaknesses that can be easily exploited.
Any questions we'll try to answer, just be weary of the talking of current arcs.
It's filler. I'd still count it though. A more canon example with rocks, lol, is Piccolo damaging Kid Goku with rocks because he powered down to the point where they'd damage him to save Tien. What is Goku's thing with rocks.
There's also the Final Flash during the Cell and Gohan Kamehameha struggle, which I feel like shouldn't have bothered Cell normally, but did because he was focused on Gohan, so his guard was down.
The attack Cell uses on Gohan when he tries to save Vegeta, Gohan went from Cell's attacks being nothing to losing an arm, I don't believe that was just the Zenkai boost, part of that had to be his guard being down to get to Vegeta in time, especially if Gohan's Kamehameha, after losing an arm, could challenge Cell.
They're not as minor as things as the rock and the ray gun, but they still exist.
And it could've been worse had the 12 universes taken part on this.
It's especially funny if you think about how Bulma shooting Goku as a kid affected him, although I guess those were bullets and this was a laser beam... Still quite dumb though, RoF was a low point for the series in more than just animation.
Fair point. Is that rock scene filler?
ambar_hitman
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Oh in movie it was very stupid then. He was in Super Saiyan God form. And yeah, thanks for reminding that rock throw. He does get hit. Interesting.
MiguelMexMIstery
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RocknRola
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The "powah" of DB!
Anyway, can't wait for more Sailor Moon Z heheh 17 vs Ribriane should be fun
Icyflamez96
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Lol
Undead Fantasy
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I feel like I stepped in Bizarro world where everyone became a 17 fan.
I can bring the poacher talk back if you want lol.
I feel like I stepped in Bizarro world where everyone became a 17 fan.
Yeah idk I feel like I entered a cult. I hated how he was reintroduced and how he just randomly was all powerful, but I just love how he's such a stark contrast in personality from how everyone else has become such a fucking idiot on this show. He doesn't fuck around, he's just there to fight and beat the shit out of people.
Idk, especially this arc, where there's multiple universes full of joke characters and goku seems to become more of a child as episodes progress, it's just nice to have someone who just wants to beat people and is competent at it.
I feel like I stepped in Bizarro world where everyone became a 17 fan.
He's funny, so it's a win for me.
Right, because
Well it would be an easy way for you to get 300+ shitposts about poachers like old times' sake.
But I'd rather see you get up there legit this time ! Let's talk about ways the new Namekians could improve Piccolo without fusing instead.
LotusHD, can I ask you where your avatar picture is from please ? The original pic.
Get used to that. Super makes it even more of a thing than Z.
If you're not on guard you can die from a gunshot.
Chaotic-Strike
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I feel like I stepped in Bizarro world where everyone became a 17 fan.
It just shows what a little focus can do for a character.
I honestly didn't expect 17 to become an actual character at the start of the arc.
When you devour all Namekian life on it's home planet, and then blow up the planet, you become a Namekian god.
Frieza had the right idea. If only he was a Namekian.
Maybe one has a power like Guru?
Kat's the best.
OMG
A fan remade 17's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFJ22lTXMe0
This is SO fucking good. Like holy shit.
A fan remade 17's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFJ22lTXMe0
This is SO fucking good. Like holy shit.
PHOENIXZERO
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Goku should be glad they didn't use a rock
I always enjoyed pulling out this little nugget in VS "debates" with others who used other filler to support arguments.
Those VS debate are awful and I'm glad to have managed to avoid them for over a decade now
I asked because I noticed the aspect ratio seemed off, you squashed it.
OCD and stuff, I remade it if you want it.
Undead Fantasy
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This is dope.
HazySaiyan
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Yeah 17 is definitely the MVP of this tournament so far. 18's been great as well.
I asked because I noticed the aspect ratio seemed off, you squashed it.
OCD and stuff, I remade it if you want it.
Oh wow thanks a bunch, I had always wanted a better version of this, but I never got around to it, or asked anyone.
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