I can see how Minecraft would've been associated with the 360, but not the One.
One is an Xbox, so yeah.
I can see how Minecraft would've been associated with the 360, but not the One.
No it's not, come on man, PS3 slim dropped a lot of price while One X is something significantly expensive than One S, most of normal consumers will get One S if they plan to buy Xbox One, not even MS think One X is big and will make Xbox come back(compare to Sony in sales).
One is an Xbox, so yeah.
damn it max!!!!!! I'm talking GAMEs......the games my boy!!!!!
I had a 360 only till 2009 and then finally got a PS3 in 2010 because of FFXIII and future titles that were announced at E3 2009 like uncharted 2, MAG, FFXIV online at the time......took awhile for this one to come lol,Gran Turismo 5, Last Guardian (grrrrrrr), and God of War 3.
One X getting lots of games in this fall, what? don't tell me "launch games", by then PS4 Pro only have one "launch game", but i don't think amount of "launch games" with mid-gen consoles are matters.
That doesn't mean Minecraft couldn't potentially be more associated with the PS4 this gen. It does have a larger install base, after all. Last gen, more people favored the 360 over the PS3. This time it's the other way around.
if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.
They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year
I hate how console warriory this sounds, but is the general Xbox consumer base really all that interested in exclusives outside the trifecta of Halo, Gears and Forza?
For full context, my personal experience with Xbox is limited. I owned a XBO for a number of years before trading it in for a Switch, but otherwise have never owned a MS console. That said, the impression I've always had was that Xbox exclusives outside Halo/Gears/Forza tend to only be moderately successful at best.
Off memory, Blue Dragon, Phantom Dust, Sunset Overdrive and ReCore were all exclusives that just came and went. Tomb Raider was a launch exclusive and notoriously underperformed. The only non trinity exclusives I know of that even got a sequel are Mass Effect and Titanfall, and both got sequels that came out on other consoles. I will grant that the ME franchise was strongly associated with the 360 and did very well on that platform, but that's the only one I'm aware of that found success as a Xbox exclusive.
if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.
They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year
I guess they may be struggling with getting funding approved for new first party stuff? Most Xbox games don't appeal to me, but I'd like to eventually get a One S for Rare Reply and Cuphead. Maybe a few others. No interest in stuff like Forza, I prefer racers like Burnout in comparison. Oh, and an One S for 4K blu-ray, because I have a 4K TV but nothing yet to watch 4K discs with.
If that's the case, then how do they expect to move systems and a higher ratio of Xbox Live subscribers if they are not willing to invest? Not saying it's true but if it was...they are not the new guys in the gaming world, three generations now so you would think they have a stern grasp of things.
It says a lot that these discussions don't seem to go away with MS/Xbox, not just this forum but social media and the gaming press. It's the consoles fourth year, it should be hitting its stride, it shouldn't be questioned like this.
Wow this thread sure turned crazy. Hedon and nekk something sorta went off the deep end it seems. Just play what makes you happy and that's it. I swear some ppl take games way too seriously. Lol
Nah, with a 2:1 worldwide deficit against their competitor, I'd say not really. They know this, as they are not that obtuse.Though why they're doing this right now is also because money, they're profiting with current strategy.
Just because their competitor doing a lot better doesn't mean they're not doing fine, it's not a market that either you win or you die.Nah, with a 2:1 worldwide deficit against their competitor, I'd say not really. They know this, as they are not that obtuse.
A company is what they do, not what they say...otherwise they would've made true on their promise not to give up the 30% advantage.Just because their competitor doing a lot better doesn't mean they're not doing fine, it's not a market that either you win or you die.
From MS's vision they think they're doing fine, that's it.
A company is what they do, not what they say...otherwise they would've made true on their promise not to give up the 30% advantage.
Sales declining YOY in your strongest territory is not fine. Your 2nd party jumping ship is not business as usual.
I have no problems with gamers enjoying what they want, I'm just talking about the Mattrick patsy discussion. What I'm talking about has literally nothing to do with a person enjoying a particular console. If MS has enough games for you, good on ya. However if we look at quantity/quality, they are lacking generally speaking. That doesn't mean that for some people that's not the case, I'm talking generally here.I am not sure how my post differs from any of your pointless posts?
What has Phil Spencer NOT done that he stated he was GOING to do? Besides the fact that in his interview 2 months ago he said he is working on fixing their hardware problems first, and then getting the games going. He has has stated that he has signed new game deals that they have coming, and he said he has no desire to take 3rd party games and make them exclusive to the Xbox.
I am a long time gamer who prefers console gaming (though I do game on my PC as well for games like ARMA III, etc). But I have my Xbox for games like Halo, Quantum Break, Tacoma, Ori. I have my PS Pro for games like Nier, The Last Guardian, Journey, etc. Xbox has enough games on it that my backlog is big. PS has enough games on it that my backlog is big as well.
It really seems like people such as yourself have an issue with gamers enjoying all of the experiences instead of choosing a side.
Like i said earlier, selling the console is not their primary target, they just want consumer's money by any way, if selling the console is what they primary want to do, they would already stopped XPA(yes i agree real exclusive do push console sales).
Declining YOY, yes, so? overall their profit is keep doing better, that's what it matter for MS, and if this part also start significantly declining, they will do something, like start making more exclusives(maybe even without XPA), or simply close Xbox division, but now? it's not good or bad enough to push them to making any big move.
I don't see how Phil talking about fixing games 4 years after he's been in charge somehow absolves him of the shitty job he's been doing overall in getting enough exclusive games on his platform. Or why a scrub like Mattrick had a much better console exclusive launch than the new console Phil is leading. The 360 also had a better case than XBX1. And yeah after 4 years of doing a pitiful job in terms of getting exclusive games on the platform, I'm going to need some receipts than buy some pr speech from Phil.
To be fair, Mattrick was in a better position back then to either invest in first party or acquire third party exclusives (before the shittastic launch anyway). Phil has probably been having a harder time than Mattrick on that front.
I agree with you either way.
No you're definitely right on that front. Mattrick did have it easier. But I'm using it as an example for the guy who for whatever fucking reason seems to be absolved of wrongdoings on this particular subject when he's clearly done a shitty job. I just don't see a single valid point that shows him doing well in terms of getting more AAA titles to allure people to get the console. People for some weird reason can't accept this fact and seem to be making excuses for him even after 4+ years that he's been working. Four years.
My argument has nothing to do with people enjoying x console they enjoy, or MS's financials (they're doing fine, Sony is just swimming in money so it's tough to compare), or other things that people seem to bring up.
No you're definitely right on that front. Mattrick did have it easier. But I'm using it as an example for the guy who for whatever fucking reason seems to be absolved of wrongdoings on this particular subject when he's clearly done a shitty job. I just don't see a single valid point that shows him doing well in terms of getting more AAA titles to allure people to get the console. People for some weird reason can't accept this fact and seem to be making excuses for him even after 4+ years that he's been working. Four years.
My argument has nothing to do with people enjoying x console they enjoy, or MS's financials (they're doing fine, Sony is just swimming in money so it's tough to compare), or other things that people seem to bring up.
It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.
Are their revenues and profits generally better now than last generation? I don't really know.
No one knows for really sure, because Microsoft quit publishing the full revenue and profit numbers. But they do occasionally tout individual good results, from which it appears the Xbox One is doing better than the early years of 360, but worse than the later years.Are their revenues and profits generally better now than last generation? I dont really know.
Phil Spencer has been the head of Microsoft's first-party studios and a corporate vice-president for 8 years.It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.
No one knows for really sure, because Microsoft quit publishing the full revenue and profit numbers. But they do occasionally tout individual good results, from which it appears the Xbox One is doing better than the early years of 360, but worse than the later years.
Phil Spencer has been the head of Microsoft's first-party studios and a corporate vice-president for 8 years.
yes, and theyve always done a good job until he left and became head of xbox. Ironic.
I hope the Horizon ZD and Uncharted single player expansions do really well and motivate Microsoft to give it a go too. Halo and Gears expansions would have been nice this year.
Even Bill Gates was a big supporter of xbox.
The new bosses don't seem to care about it and that's dangerous.
Even Bill Gates was a big supporter of xbox.Because Nadella is in charge right now, i'm not sure people why always only counting Don and Phil while they both report to Ballmer/Nadella.
If anything, you guys should hope that crazy dude Ballmer come back lol.
Wow this thread sure turned crazy. Hedon and nekk something sorta went off the deep end it seems. Just play what makes you happy and that's it. I swear some ppl take games way too seriously. Lol
Even Bill Gates was a big supporter of xbox.
The new bosses don't seem to care about it and that's dangerous.
He care since it's a way to letting people join their service world.
He just don't think making bunch of new AAA exclusive is worth for the money spend.
No one knows that. They wouldnt keep making new consoles if there was no intention to invest in games for it. The 2 go hand in hand.
It's not really that matter MS keep making console or not for Xbox division's life, because MS don't think Xbox is (just) a console brand anymore. The 2 go hand in hand for Sony and Nintendo, but not MS, MS clearly going different route.
The bigger issue is the quality difference. PS4 exclusives have simply been better than Xbox One exclusives this generation. When your console's best overall game is a racing/driving game in Forza Horizon 3, that should probably tell you something.
They still need games console or not. What you say makes no sense.
Nothing on the xbox live service gets used without the games. Its not an apple tv, its a gaming division.
It's not really that matter MS keep making console or not for Xbox division's life, because MS don't think Xbox is (just) a console brand anymore. The 2 go hand in hand for Sony and Nintendo, but not MS, MS clearly going different route.
MS still needs to sell consoles if they want growth for whatever other metric they're interested in now.
I agree and for the first 2 or so years, I stepped back and gave him a break. This year's E3 for me was the time to show what he has been doing all this time. And he closed with a game that's on other consoles and isn't even timed exclusive. The other big game was Forza.It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.
Mattrick was fired shortly after E3, wasn't he? Maybe I'm wrong. I thought he was fired mid 2013 and Phil was kind of an interim until officially early 2014. Who knows. That gives him a wee bit more time.Actually, Phil become head of Xbox in April 2014, so it's 3 years only.
100% more than early 360 days(since there's RROD), but i think it's worse than Kinect years, but ugh, even MS want to have some big move, Kinect won't be the thing they want to try again lol.
"Whatever other metric" isn't some esoteric set of criteria to divine. I agree with what you're saying overall about needing a presence in the console space as a "root," but their goals are [selling game software] and [selling services around those games]. They can thrive just as easily as any company in the PC space. Mind you, exclusives in their platform portfolios are still key in that.
That's a lot of ifs, obviously, but I'm just trying to point out that, at this moment in time, they need to move hardware if they want their current business model to grow.
It sounds like it's a genre you don't value as highly, which is fine in it's own way, but that's a bizarre way to look at the quality spectrum of a platform in a broader sense. For all of Microsoft's failings as a publisher, they're legitimately home to the two highest-quality racing franchises in the industry, which now release on PC as well as their Xbox platform. Using that area of success as a point of criticism due to the genre is as misguided as someone who's not a fan of [any particular genre] dismissing a game portfolio because the high point falls into a certain genre.
but what to play on xbox one ? the number of exclusive games they have is less than 5 this whole year. all the other games are multiplatform. who cares if one system has a better grass so far away you cant see it unless you put the consoles facing each other ?
The games is what matters. and MS almost has nothing
if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.
They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year