Fulminator
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I feel like a lot of speculation has been wrong, so hot take: Tien won't have anything to do with u4
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And we'll forever be waiting...
He has definitely been the highlight, so far.
Oh, I know. I'm expecting a disappointing explanation.
They paused on U6 on that tablet for a good while, maybe those Namekians will be coming sooner than anticipated (and maybe they're "evil" since the U6 Saiyans aren't).
Same, I'll take the occasional ugly shot for his fluid animation.
I dunno, Itai's looks pretty good to me.
Loved this
The choreography was really nice there. Reminded me of the Goku vs Krillin episode where he dodged the Kienzans beautifully.
Loved this
Seriously, a lot of Goku's fights in this tournament remains me of Fire Emblem with all the graceful flip movements.
Fulminator
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Is Itai the one who drew gohan when he went to see off future trunks?
MiguelMexMIstery
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nah I meant as in I felt they had more players eliminated than just 3
Shantsa needs to trash Jiren
lmao
Fulminator
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Goku stays winning
Tate's stuff looks great in motion, but horrible when you look at still scenes with few exceptions.
I want this to play for now on when Goku does stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkQXQLPrCqo
*whispers* Tien's an alien. (And in terms of aliens, his ranking isn't even close to 2nd.)
I've no doubt he will be joining Krillin soon, though.
That's a cool take on it, his art is always quite good.
I'm curious, is his AF as bad as Toyotaro's?
Look at those QTs.
Sooo my thoughts on the episode :
- Setting up Brianne vs 17 as one of the big fights later down the road, they're pretty much equal as expected
- 17 Getting Goku's lines
and Goku getting 17's lines was funny. It also proves my theory that 17 used Kakunsa's fighting style against her and the flying girl, just like Goku used Rozie's against her.
I guess this is reminiscent of when 18 compared 17 and Goku, so that was probably an outline from Toriyama. The difference being that 17 doesn't underestimate his opponents and is serious, while also caring about his teammates. He's basically a better Goku right now.
- Beerus and 17 pointing out Goku is fucking around, at least that means the writers are aware of it, which makes it a tiny bit less insufferable.
- Some recycling of animations here and there, I guess it's par for the course now, I didn't mind it too much outside of the Brianne / 17 sequence that they used almost twice in a row (but the shot looked great).
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Then the Gohan part
- Not impressed with Botamo's take out. They seem to have conveniently changed how attacks affect him, back when Goku fought him, the attacks were supposedly sent to another dimension and he wouldn't be phased at all by them.
- Gohan and Piccolo vs U10 part 1: Piccolo being punched in the face made me laugh. Gohan vs Obuni (?) was pretty good. Pretty fluid.
- part 2 : Piccolo using hell grenade felt... kinda lame when Rozie used it in the first half, and 17 made it useless again. It was hard to ignore that when Piccolo used it. Because that's the first thing Piccolo has really done in the tournament so far and that was literally just done by another fighter 5 minutes earlier...
Ultimate Gohan part of the fight was less good than regular Gohan somehow, but I was a bit let down by the outcome. I expected Gohan to see the pendant before taking out Obuni, to show some moral conflict. Here he just took him out, looked displeased for 3 seconds and end of the episode.
I blame the previews that made it sound like it would be a bit more than this.
All in all, decent episode with some production flaws, but mostly saved by the writing and some visual sequences that stood out.
Loved those 17 shots
"I AM ANDROID 17" ahahah
Why, you needed to see Piccolo punched in the face some more ?
Icyflamez96
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Yeah now that I think of it, most of the bits with non generic choreography from this tournament so far has involved Goku, which isn't surprising. Could be forgetting about some stuff.
He's even worse in motion.
His style is so unappealing to me. I threw up everytime Arched posted that Vegeta & Goku hyperbolic time chamber gif as good.
He's even worse in motion.
His style is so unappealing to me. I threw up everytime Arched posted that Vegeta & Goku hyperbolic time chamber gif as good.
Fulminator
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Look at those QTs.
Sooo my thoughts on the episode :
- Setting up Brianne vs 17 as one of the big fights later down the road, they're pretty much equal as expected
- 17 Getting Goku's lines
and Goku getting 17's lines was funny. It also proves my theory that 17 used Kakunsa's fighting style against her and the flying girl, just like Goku used Rozie's against her.
I guess this is reminiscent of when 18 compared 17 and Goku, so that was probably an outline from Toriyama. The difference being that 17 doesn't underestimate his opponents and is serious, while also caring about his teammates. He's basically a better Goku right now.
- Beerus and 17 pointing out Goku is fucking around, at least that means the writers are aware of it, which makes it a tiny bit less insufferable.
- Some recycling of animations here and there, I guess it's par for the course now, I didn't mind it too much outside of the Brianne / 17 sequence that they used almost twice in a row (but the shot looked great).
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Then the Gohan part
- Not impressed with Botamo's take out. They seem to have conveniently changed how attacks affect him, back when Goku fought him, the attacks were supposedly sent to another dimension and he wouldn't be phased at all by them.
- Gohan and Piccolo vs U10 part 1: Piccolo being punched in the face made me laugh. Gohan vs Obuni (?) was pretty good. Pretty fluid.
- part 2 : Piccolo using hell grenade felt... kinda lame when Rozie used it in the first half, and 17 made it useless again. It was hard to ignore that when Piccolo used it. Because that's the first thing Piccolo has really done in the tournament so far and that was literally just done by another fighter 5 minutes earlier...
Ultimate Gohan part of the fight was less good than regular Gohan somehow, but I was a bit let down by the outcome. I expected Gohan to see the pendant before taking out Obuni, to show some moral conflict. Here he just took him out, looked displeased for 3 seconds and end of the episode.
I blame the previews that made it sound like it would be a bit more than this.
All in all, decent episode with some production flaws, but mostly saved by the writing and some visual sequences that stood out.
Loved those 17 shots
"I AM ANDROID 17" ahahah
Why, you needed to see Piccolo punched in the face some more ?
The 17 and Goku parts of the episode were really good, better than the gohan piccolo stuff imo. I think you're right with the parallels being drawn between them
Did ribrianne break his barrier, or did he just release it?
Also i think it's too soon to say if 17 and ribrianne are equal it didn't seem like 17 was going 100%
Of all the clips you chose. I loved that scene. You would have a better point using Hit vs. Goku part 2 which had some rough animation and wasn't Tate's best work.
Sorry, when it comes to animation, few are as fluid as Tate. It's like silk.
Icyflamez96
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I was thinking Goku was intentionally copying 17's lines and takeout method for some reason. (Though Goku didn't actually push her all the way out)
Fulminator
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The biggest appeal to tates style for me is the exaggerated movements and the fluidity of the animation
We've already had this discussion though haha
Icyflamez96
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Yes I'm aware people actually like this.
Fluidity needs to be backed up by good art and movements to be impressive to me.
Icyflamez96
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But the clip has both
At least Panda can join me in the tate hate
edit: Oh yeah and hit vs goku 2 I kinda wiped from my memory lol
Can you blame him, the other universes are lame and don't like his evil ass
Pardon? When was U6 shown to be obsessed with Goku in this episode?
At least Panda can join me in the tate hate
edit: Oh yeah and hit vs goku 2 I kinda wiped from my memory lol
Obsolete one closeup clip out of the entire fight. Classy.
At least Panda can join me in the tate hate
Use actually bad Tate bits (that do exist) instead of using an episode that the vast majority enjoyed, as point of reference in your "look how bad it is" crusade.
Icyflamez96
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I think the pendant should have fell before he took out the U11 fighter, but I think it was handled fine enough the way they did it.
You have it the wrong way. Goku is obsessed with U6.
Goku whiteknighting for universe 6.
Letting the Saiyans go and then saving Hit in the preview.
He lets everyone else die.
That's exactly what I said.
Fulminator
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Icyflamez96
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I have more gifs I'm just not trying to bury ya'll. Ruined the whole fight for me.
But wouldn't that be Goku being obsessed with U6?
And who is he letting die on his team?
You can do that with almost any fight. Go back to Dragon Ball or Z and freeze frame some of those fights, especially Vegeta vs. Perfect Cell.
Icyflamez96
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Yeah same but maybe they'll do something more with it in future episodes.
Kale and Caulifla were weak in front of him, that's different than a fighter attacking him and Goku knocking them out because of that. They could also be useful in a later fight.
18 was the one out of character in that instance, more than Goku and 17.
If someone is giving Hit trouble, they're going to give Goku trouble.So what's the harm in helping out the weaker person? He has a friendship with Hit.
Previews have been bad this arc. Goku apparently fought the Yardrat in this episode, based on the previews.
MiguelMexMIstery
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U6 is a mistake
just like Goku
if Goku gets eliminated I hope it's by a U6 member just to show him a lesson
So far, Goku only interacted with the U6 Saiyans, who attacked him, and now Hit, who has a known rivalry with.
So, not really seeing this 'obsession'.
KZXcellent
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I was pretty neutral to 17 before this arc and now I love him.
I can't wait for this arc to be dubbed. Oh maaaaan.
I can't wait for this arc to be dubbed. Oh maaaaan.
Icyflamez96
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I can do what with any fight
I'm just pointing out what I don't like about tate, I thought that was obvious.
The problem is that you seem to be going out of your way since you're picking and choosing terrible shots to prove a point instead of using an actually bad animated fight like Goku vs. Hit part 2 that has issues.
Even people who hate Tate's work liked Goku vs. 17 and you're one of the few I have seen who disliked it. Which is why I question why you chose that fight in particular to prove your point.
That was also by Frost, who is a known asshole who is disliked by his own team.
Icyflamez96
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To show you how far my distaste for Tate's style goes.
Didn't you say that you liked that shot? Most people seem to like that shot.
Are you forgetting that this is my opinion? I'm not speaking for anyone else.
Im calling it... Goku will think to just revive U6 with the super dragon balls, but Gohan will suggest reviving them all.
I'm not sure I'll like him as much with his dub voice, he always came off as an asshole to me.
Frost is so far the only one from U6 who isn't likable by the U7 cast. Everyone hates him because he wants to see the world burn like Frieza. It's clear Frost is doing his own thing, and no matter what the other U6 characters do, Frost isn't a part of that, he's never going to work with them as a team.
Could it be better? Sure. But it got us much needed Kale development so she could stop being a Broly clone, and hopefully we get some more insight on Hit next episode.
The only one who has suffered from Goku being an idiot is Caulifla.
U6 es lo mejor miguel.
Btw frost disapeared after the hit and run elimination of krilin
It's going to be great when Freeza is the one to eliminate him.
Doubtful.
Fulminator
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According to everything stated by the show and the manga, blue is stronger
We dont know why he is using red
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