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Cristiano Ronaldo pushes ref, banned for five games even though ref doesn't dive

You just can't touch referees, and CR7 (just like Neymar) doesn't get the benefit of the doubt these days when it comes to him losing his balance on his own vs a dive. He shouldn't have taken his shirt off anyways, it's the first fucking leg.

Wonder what the narrative will be if Barca make a comeback at the Bernabeu.
 

23qwerty

Member
tbf he barely touched the ref lol

doesn't matter even a little bit lmfao

the fuck you think he's trying to pull by blatant pushing the ref

Not a dive, he just got pushed off balance, doesnt take much when you are at speed. Not worth a penalty, but definitely not a dive.

And pushes? Disgraceful? If we applied that ort if standard as a disgraceful act, then that was surely a penalty....

it was clearly a dive, the way he gestures at the end of the dive makes it obvious

it's bloody soccer and you're trying to say it wasn't a dive?

even if it isn't a dive and he just lost his balance, the way he tries to get the call from the ref is deserving of a card
 

krang

Member
I think that you actually need to understand context though. It seems like you haven't really got a grasp of the game and just sort of already hated footballers doing this nebulous thing.

It was one of the most important matches in the world. El Clasico. Barcelona had cheated, they had actually dived and for it they had gotten the reward of a goal. Ronaldo was genuinely fouled (outside the box), keeps running and then falls. The referee sees this and gives him a red.

Now, Ronaldo shouldn't have pushed him but that is absolutely disgraceful refereeing. Awful. This isn't like a 'five year old throwing a tantrum', it is someone reacting badly to being wronged in a legitimate way in an incredibly important game.

I genuinely feel like you came here with a bias against football itself, calling shit 'theatrics' and how they're 'acting like children' when Ronaldo did everything right and got punished by awful refereeing.

You make it sound like a physical reaction is equal to making a poor refereeing decision, which they are absolutely not. These two incidents need to be looked at in isolation. The decision was poor, and the ref needs to be reevaluated by the governing body.

But touching an official deserves a lengthy ban because of the message it sends. I have two family members who referee at grass roots, and they frequently get threatened with physical abuse because of petulant behaviour like this at the pinnacle.

These are grown-ass adults, they should be behaving as such.
 

Dadasch

Member
Wonder what the narrative will be if Barca make a comeback at the Bernabeu.
lmao
You don't really expect that, do you? RM is a sheer force right now, with or without Ronaldo doesn't matter...especially against current Barcelona.
First half they played without Modric and Ronaldo, two of their most important players.
 

C4Lukins

Junior Member
Yeah he took a dive, and then shoved a ref.

It was a tiny shove, but this bull shit diving garbage needs to stop.

We see it a lot in the NBA here in the US. We are not above garbage ass pussy gameplay.

But yeah, I like what was done here.

Whatever his name took a dive, was called on it, and was ejected. As silly as the tiny push was. American sports will never respect this game unless there are consequences.

And just soccer in general. The whole pussy ass fake falling needs to stop. Unless you are a fan of Lebron James who learned to be a pussy from the best of European sports.
 
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Lmao how have I never seen this before
 
lmao
You don't really expect that, do you? RM is a sheer force right now, with or without Ronaldo doesn't matter...especially against current Barcelona.
First half they played without Modric and Ronaldo, two of their most important players.

If there's one player in the world who can flip a tie around, it's Messi. Be easier if RM sits back again, and if Vidal is replaced by Semedo.

But no, I'm not expecting it. Probably a 1-1 game
 
Yeah, with intonation it would have sounded more like "Riiiight"

Btw I wholeheartedly disagree. Passion is at the core of sport. Why even bother otherwise. It's all big theatre and wanting players to act like milk toast drones is not what I want from Sports.
I want to see emotion, good and bad. It makes these matches into events. Otherwise just run a simulation and compare numbers at the end.

HOWEVER penalties for violent behaviour, unsporting conduct and better protection for refs is a must. But to act like some heated players getting into the refs face is too much is ridiculous.
Edit

These Suarez Gifs still make my blood boil. What a fucking cunt.
Oh yeah, sorry, it's always hard for these things to come across on the internet.

I agree, Suarez makes my blood boil. So does some of the bullshit Ramos tried to pull off. I hate cheating in football but also can't stand bad refereeing, especially when we should just have VAR to help stop shit like this.

You make it sound like a physical reaction is equal to making a poor refereeing decision, which they are absolutely not. These two incidents need to be looked at in isolation. The decision was poor, and the ref needs to be reevaluated by the governing body.

But touching an official deserves a lengthy ban because of the message it sends. I have two family members who referee at grass roots, and they frequently get threatened with physical abuse because of petulant behaviour like this.

These are grown-ass adults, they should be behaving as such.
Well, I mean, ignoring that it was a very basic touch, yeah, you should never lay your hands on someone for something that is non-violent however the equality of it is somewhat problematic.

The referees incompetence already gave Barcelona a goal in a game they otherwise wouldn't have scored in. Now, they take Madrid down to 10 men and take off their best player. That's not a minor decision, its not a quibble that one may have at the end of the game. That poor refereeing decision has - at that point - potentially lost a game to their rivals in a derby match which may well decide the league in 9 months. Its not an insignificant decision so whilst I don't agree with what Ronaldo did, I completely understand it. I see the deicison as a bad one but I don't see it as innately 'childish', just stupid.

Just for comparison. This week in the EPL, Fabregas got a yellow for mockingly clapping a referee after a decision. He got a yellow, that's fair enough. Just like Ronaldo's current ban.

I used to live with a guy who was a referee. He once gave a kid a red for saying 'fuck off' or 'fuck you', something like that. He got told by the match officials that all the Dads of that team were waiting for him outside and looking to 'have a word' (English for 'beat him up'). He had to get a police escort out. It was an under-16s league game.

And just soccer in general. The whole pussy ass fake falling needs to stop. Unless you are a fan of Lebron James who learned to be a pussy from the best of European sports.
The thing is that soccer isn't a contract sport. Its annoying as fuck but usually when a player does the whole 'theatrical falling down' shit, the other player has actually broken a rule and its the only way to draw the referees attention to it.

Diving is bullshit but this isn't all under the same umbrella although I can see why it would seem that way to an amateur eye or someone not acquainted with the rules.
 
I...wut...

These are not the same. CR7 lightly touched the ref. He didn't punch him, he didn't hurt him, he didn't threaten him. He lightly tapped him on the back, which he shouldn't have done, but nothing more. Hence why he got the minimum (4 matches + 1 for the red).

João Pinto literally punched a ref in the gut.

Suggesting these are even similar is disingenuous.
You can put whatever spin on it you like, Portuguese players have had a reputation for on-field histrionics for years.
 
What the fuck is up with the CR defense force in this thread?
I dunno. Reply to those people, have a discussion, find out what they think and/or why.

Or you could just post what you did, a relatively useless post that doesn't contribute to much.

Hell, go to one of my posts and quote me. I wouldn't say I was 'defending' him but I'd assume I come under your umbrella.
 

Zojirushi

Member
I dunno. Reply to those people, have a discussion, find out what they think and/or why.

Or you could just post what you did, a relatively useless post that doesn't contribute to much.

Hell, go to one of my posts and quote me. I wouldn't say I was 'defending' him but I'd assume I come under your umbrella.

You know what you're right, this was a useless post of mine. I apologize.
 

luso

Member
What the fuck is up with the CR defense force in this thread?

Reasonable people agree that touching referees should be punishable, as any violent verbal arguing and intimidation. The defense is about the second yellow for a dive that it wasn't (not a penalty though) and also other similar situations did not have similar punishment, revealing dual criteria (unless this kind of ban for doing it is a brand new Spanish Federation rule).
 
You just can't touch referees, and CR7 (just like Neymar) doesn't get the benefit of the doubt these days when it comes to him losing his balance on his own vs a dive. He shouldn't have taken his shirt off anyways, it's the first fucking leg.

Wonder what the narrative will be if Barca make a comeback at the Bernabeu.
Yeah I find it hard to believe these legs lose balance so easily.

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Dadasch

Member
What the fuck is up with the CR defense force in this thread?
Which defense force do you mean?
Look, I'm not even a fan of Ronaldo. In fact just two days ago I called him an egomaniac on this very forum, but that is definitely not a dive by Ronaldo. I will call that out in any case, doesn't matter how much I dislike the player.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
He's dived so many times he can't really expect the benefit of the doubt if the ref is unclear.
 

Doc_Drop

Member
Diving came around because of the lack of protection against historically violent and underhanded defending.

Falling at speed, even if the contact looks innocuous, is a result of said speed. The extra theatrics are generally done because a lot of refs miss a great deal.

It was a slight shove but yes, no player should be laying hands on the ref. But to pretend that any team is immune to this petulance is laughable.

We won't see the level of respect afforded to rugby referees in football ever because if you piss off a rugby referee he can punish you with loss of field position, which is crucial to the game, and mostly a useless gesture in football. What we really need are hockey-like sin bins for footballers
 

Haunted

Member
I think that you actually need to understand context though. It seems like you haven't really got a grasp of the game and just sort of already hated footballers doing this nebulous thing.

It was one of the most important matches in the world. El Clasico. Barcelona had cheated, they had actually dived and for it they had gotten the reward of a goal. Ronaldo was genuinely fouled (outside the box), keeps running and then falls. The referee sees this and gives him a red.

Now, Ronaldo shouldn't have pushed him but that is absolutely disgraceful refereeing. Awful. This isn't like a 'five year old throwing a tantrum', it is someone reacting badly to being wronged in a legitimate way in an incredibly important game.

I genuinely feel like you came here with a bias against football itself, calling shit 'theatrics' and how they're 'acting like children' when Ronaldo did everything right and got punished by awful refereeing.


It seems like you're disagreeing with him but you said 'right'?


Good, because that is so little of the actual game. Once again, I get the impression that you're criticizing something that you barely have any exposure to. You also don't seem to understand the importance of this.

I'd rather have these players yell, scream and get passionate that just be dead to rights. The referee has to earn respect and if they're making dumb fucking decisions they should rightly get called on it (not pushed, mind). There is very little penalty for shit refereeing and, as a player, that frustration can boil over if you're in one of the most crucial games of your season.


You say that but most of the arguments against video refereeing is that it makes the game slower and makes the game stop more. It is sorely needed though.
Ill considered condescension on your part, I'm not some American looking to lay into a hated sport - I'm German and I've been watching football all my goddamn life.

Personal attacks aside, no amount of context or importance justifies the behaviour of the divas at the so called top of the sport. The ref doesn't have to earn player's respect, he's the fucking ref and the players have to respect that ROLE on the field.

You've already investigated the trickle-down consequences of that behaviour to the lower levels of the sport in other posts, so we agree on that part at least.


edit: and fuck el clasico and your billion dollar franchises, I'd rather watch Bundesliga :p
 
Also the fucking Spanish Super Cup is not "one of the most important games in the world", even if it does feature Barca and Real. It's a curtain raiser, like the Community Shield in England.
 

23qwerty

Member
Which defense force do you mean?
Look, I'm not even a fan of Ronaldo. In fact just two days ago I called him an egomaniac on this very forum, but that is definitely not a dive by Ronaldo. I will call that out in any case, doesn't matter how much I dislike the player.

Watch the way he gestures after falling lol

Pretty fucking clear what the intention is
 
Watch the way he gestures after falling lol

Pretty fucking clear what the intention is

There is a difference between a dive and a foul that is then hammed up to bring the attention of the referee. It's a problem in football. There are many occasions where a player is fouled and loses momentum and/or control of the ball, leading to an unfairly gained advantage to the other team, but retains his balance and does not 'need' to 'go down'. However, if he does not 'go down' the ref won't give the foul because it is less obvious.

You see this most often in the box. Sometimes a tackle will come in, which would be a foul, but the player chooses to ride it and continue with his attack on goal. However, his attack will often be reduced in effectiveness by the intrusion and will most likely fail. If the player instead 'takes the contact' and 'goes down' he will be usually be rewarded a penalty, from which it is much easier to score. This is why you sometimes hear commentators criticising a player for being "too honest" or saying of a player who 'went down' seemingly unnecessarily, that he was 'entitled' to do so.

TLDR - theatrics from a supposedly fouled player do not necessarily indicate that the foul did not take place.
 

Haunted

Member
tbh most of this would be solve if FIFA just get with the time and use camera/computer for all the ref decision.
Agreed.

Well, not all decisions, but I feel that a challenge system like in Tennis or American Football would certainly help matters.
 

23qwerty

Member
There is a difference between a dive and a foul that is then hammed up to bring the attention of the referee. It's a problem in football. There are many occasions where a player is fouled and loses momentum and/or control of the ball, leading to an unfairly gained advantage to the other team, but retains his balance and does not 'need' to 'go down'. However, if he does not 'go down' the ref won't give the foul because it is less obvious.

You see this most often in the box. Sometimes a tackle will come in, which would be a foul, but the player chooses to ride it and continue with his attack on goal. However, his attack will often be reduced in effectiveness by the intrusion and will most likely fail. If the player instead 'takes the contact' and 'goes down' he will be usually be rewarded a penalty, from which it is much easier to score. This is why you sometimes hear commentators criticising a player for being "too honest" or saying of a player who 'went down' seemingly unnecessarily, that he was 'entitled' to do so.

TLDR - theatrics from a supposedly fouled player do not necessarily indicate that the foul did not take place.
Embellishment is identical to diving
 

Dadasch

Member
Agreed.

Well, not all decisions, but I feel that a challenge system like in Tennis or American Football would certainly help matters.
We saw how useful they are during the Confederations Cup...

They are not. If the referee is shit it will still be the same shitty result, which you can easily see in the case of the elbow attack in the final. Jara deliberately just wanted to hurt Werner, no Ball involved at all.
The referee gets the chance to watch it on video, regardless this fucker gives Jara only a yellow card. How can anybody explain this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzAGJd8Y0B0

And btw: Match lasts longer with cameras because you will obviously have more intermissions. Don't understand the argument.
 
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