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August Wrasslin' |OT| I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU-LY

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Hex

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Zach said:
I know the crap out of some Mariah Carey songs apparently. PopGAF lives on... through this arm!
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Anth0ny

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Bryan explains how mcmahon jr forced him not to work and waste the prime years of his career:
This is a long read, but Im gonna recap all the information he gave regarding his injury and how he was made to retire. This can all be found by listening to his interview today with Edge and Christian on their podcast.

So his story starts with the time of his last concussion. He gets cleared by his own doctors, but that isn't enough for WWE.

So first WWE and Vince in particular force him to see their hand picked experts to get testing done on his brain. So they sent him to these doctors (that aren't his own doctors which already cleared him), first of which was a concussion specialist in Phoenix. They cleared him.

That wasn't enough for WWE, and he asked WWE what more they want him to do. He said he would go get a 3rd opinion. So he went to UCLA to get testing from a team of concussion specialists who had him run a lot of different tests. They cleared him.

He comes back to WWE, and yet again they say no you are not cleared to go, even though 3 independent institutions had already cleared him, 2 of which were doctors WWE chose.

So they send him to go get some experimental stuff done. Testing that isn't even FDA approved. They do some kind of reflex or impact testing, so they hook stuff up to his brain and test that and whatever. So he does that, and they tell him he has a lesion in a certain region on his brain. So he calls Vince, and he tells him he has this lesion on his brain. He says he was crying when he got off the phone because his career was done. And the next week Vince calls him and tells him to come to RAW in Seattle and give a retirement speech. Initially he didn't want to do it but he became convinced it was for the best.

Then after everything dies down, he gets a call from one of the doctors who originally cleared him and he asks him what happened that made him retire. He tells the doctor that they found a lesion on his brain. And then the doctor tells him that in medical terminology, a lesion does not mean what it usually means. Bryan thought it meant he had a cut on his brain, but the doctor says that in medical terminology, a lesion is a very vague term. It just means that something is there. Not necessarily a cut or anything like that.

Then that doctor looks at the report that said he had a lesion. And what he found was that Daniel's brain reflexes in that region were slower than they expected. Thats why in the report they wrote it in as a lesion.

Now here is the really messed up part. That region of his brain had a slow reflex compared to MMA fighters and football players and athletes that they usually test at that facility. It did NOT have any reflex that is slower than what you would expect in a normal human being. And since Bryan is a performer and not really a sports person, obviously you would expect his reflex time to be closer to an average persons, not a high level sports athlete.

In addition to that, they didnt have a baseline for how fast the reflex in that part of his brain used to be. So they had no way of even knowing if there was actually any damage there, or if that was just the normal speed at which that region of his brain functioned
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He went to this Joe Namath institute to get more tests done and they said his brain is no different from a run of the mill college football player. He has had some concussions, but he is not a person at risk of brain damage.

He has had even more testing done and from certain tests they say that now, with the time he has had out of wrestling, his brain looks like someone who has never even played a contact sports. And he says he is sad looking back because he feels he wasted the prime years of his career.
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it was all fake. they didn't want him back no matter how many times he got cleared. bryan is fine.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Hex said:
I would say that I could see Bryan moving to Japan, lots of his tofu and bean sprout options there, but Brie will be kept on a tight leash by WWE and the Divas stuff.
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Meltzer said literally yesterday there's no way he'd be a full timer in Japan, which largely aligns with common sense that he's not going to abandon his wife and children when he's already financially secure to move to Japan.
 
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Heroman

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Angry Grimace said:
Meltzer said literally yesterday there's no way he'd be a full timer in Japan, which largely aligns with common sense that he's not going to abandon his wife and children when he's already financially secure to move to Japan.
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You don't need to move to Japan to be "full time".
 
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Angry Grimace

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Heroman said:
You don't need to move to Japan to be "full time".
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I mean, I'd keep arguing the point but it sounds a lot more like you guys just really, really, REALLY want Bryan to be full time in NJPW. He's a 39 year old man with a wife and newborn who doesn't need the money.
 
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Egg0

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Anth0ny said:
Bryan explains how mcmahon jr forced him not to work and waste the prime years of his career:



it was all fake. they didn't want him back no matter how many times he got cleared. bryan is fine.
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I think this part of the interview popped up on my youtube feed. Will give it a listen tonight.

If this is true, it's pretty fucked up and somehow not at all surprising.
 
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Foggy

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Angry Grimace said:
Meltzer said literally yesterday there's no way he'd be a full timer in Japan, which largely aligns with common sense that he's not going to abandon his wife and children when he's already financially secure to move to Japan.
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He's a professional wrestler. Being an absentee parent is the norm.
 
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Anth0ny

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Angry Grimace said:
I mean, I'd keep arguing the point but it sounds a lot more like you guys just really, really, REALLY want Bryan to be full time in NJPW. He's a 39 year old man with a wife and newborn who doesn't need the money.
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who is obsessed with wrestling!

a normal man with the millions of dollars and frugal lifestyle he lives would retire




but the american dragon is no normal man. he wants to keep wrestling. it's not about the money.
 
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Foggy

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I think Kenny might still live there but every other foreign guy flies in. It's sustainable because they're not needed weekly.
 
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BewareTheBatsie

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If Bryan wants to return to wrestling, the guy should probably stay away from the place where people regularly get dropped on their heads or stiffed twenty times a match.
 
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Angry Grimace

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Heroman said:
Fale
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Elgin
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Karl and Luke gallows
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Pretty sure Finn didn't live there full tim
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Anth0ny said:
who is obsessed with wrestling!

a normal man with the millions of dollars and frugal lifestyle he lives would retire




but the american dragon is no normal man. he wants to keep wrestling. it's not about the money.
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But Japan isn't literally the only place you can wrestle other than WWE...
 
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Foggy

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BewareTheBatsie said:
If Bryan wants to return to wrestling, the guy should probably stay away from the place where people regularly get dropped on their heads or stiffed twenty times a match.
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Honestly for every guy that does that, there are two that don't wrestle that style. Even a guy like Tanahashi takes no worse bumps than some of the WWE guys.

It's a signature part of their style, but anyone who watches knows that matches like that are in the stark minority.
 
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dream

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Great feature article on what a Canadian and Indian icon Jinder is becoming. This is a guy who's put in the work and is now reaping the benefits of doing so.

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Where will Jinder Mahal land on the spectrum? With his reign at the three-month mark, he has already worn the belt longer than Daniel Bryan and Dean Ambrose, who cut out-sized profiles in the WWE. Longer than Dave Bautista, who was able to leverage his ringwork as a heel into screen heroism in the Guardians of the Galaxy series. These days the belt changes hands much more rapidly than in Sammartinian times of yore, probably a function of our limited-attention span

More than most of his 49 predecessors, Mahal has the potential to be a game changer. Among them he uniquely offers a chance to capture a massive untapped market. As the first wrestler of an Indian background to hold the WWE championship, he represents a figure who could raise the WWE’s profile in a nation of more than a billion people, the vast majority little acquainted with professional wrestling and not at all with the WWE.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/more/big-read-jinder-mahal-game-changer-wwe/
 
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Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
there is no "mass untapped market" in India tho
 
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Foggy

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I had always understood that Bryan had a battery of doctors that cleared him other than one of the WWE's doctors. I just figured Bryan went to some holistic quacks or something.

If true though, Bryan is GONE. Even if they back up the Brinks truck, why bother trusting them again. Surely he's told them about the lesion stuff and they didn't bat an eyelash.
 
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somedevil

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Anth0ny said:
Bryan explains how mcmahon jr forced him not to work and waste the prime years of his career:



it was all fake. they didn't want him back no matter how many times he got cleared. bryan is fine.
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From John Pollock review of the podcast:

The new wrinkle to this story is a call Bryan received a few weeks after the retirement from one of the specialists that had cleared him and asked Bryan what went wrong. Bryan explained the lesion discovery and the specialist went on to explain how vague a term “lesion” can be in the medical field and the actual effect on Bryan from the lesion having slower, but average reaction time. Bryan was still concerned that something could be wrong with his brain and didn’t pursue anything at the time.

The major catalyst he cited was being brought back onto television as the SmackDown General Manager, specifically stating that he was told he was being the GM and not being asked. Bryan said that being around the industry that closely on a weekly basis accelerated his desire to return. It should also be added that he was extremely complimentary of the WWE and that he isn’t looking to pressure them into clearing him and was also very happy that the company gave him eight-weeks of paternity leave when his child was born earlier this year.

He has been working with Dr. Barry Miskin out of Jupiter, Florida and had a SPECT scan performed on his brain. The results Bryan stated put his brain at the same level of a college football player. He also repeated what Brie Bella stated earlier this week, that he has had 40 treatments in a hyperbaric chamber.

Bryan listed off that he has had ten documented concussions and four post-concussion seizures during his career. He also added that one reason it has been hard for the WWE to clear him is because he wasn’t initially honest about his concussions.

He noted that if he finds a warning sign that he should not come back, he won’t do it and is not going to risk his health to wrestle again.
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Having 10 documented concussions and 4 post concussion seizures are not fake. Plus lying to them didn't help.

If he ever comes back he needs to be part time schedule.
 
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Pikma

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Anth0ny said:
Bryan explains how mcmahon jr forced him not to work and waste the prime years of his career:



it was all fake. they didn't want him back no matter how many times he got cleared. bryan is fine.
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I'm so happy to hear this

Now NJPW let this man make some fucking $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And fuck Vince, old piece of carny shit
 
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kiguel182

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This fucking Okada v Suzuki match.

I was skeptic at the start but man, those fucking slaps. Those fucking reversals. This fucking ending.

Amazing match.

Edit: Also, that fucking Bryan story. What could've been.

Having concussions is probably the norm for these dudes. If you couldn't wrestle and have concussions none would. He seems to be in way bette shape than people assumed. If he does a lower impact style he can still do great things full time.
 
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somedevil

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If Bryan does wrestle again I don't think New Japan is the greatest idea when they are taking dragon suplexes off the top rope, giving unprotected headbutts, Kenny Omega offense which includes knees to the head.

I wonder if WWE offered him a Brock Lesnar type deal would he accept it?
 
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TarpitCarnivore

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somedevil said:
If Bryan does wrestle again I don't think New Japan is the greatest idea when they are taking dragon suplexes off the top rope, giving unprotected headbutts, Kenny Omega offense which includes knees to the head.

I wonder if WWE offered him a Brock Lesnar type deal would he accept it?
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WWE hasn't been any safer for Bryan.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Remember when David Otunga left to film a movie and then never came back
 
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kiguel182

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Like the WWE is a safer style. I mean, Balor keeps getting injured and he worked NJPW.

The fucking dives outside and headbutts were stuff Bryan did all the time in the WWE.

If his brain is normal then he is not all glass either way. He can take bumps. He was cleared by three doctors!

Edit: how many doctors need to give him the okay before he can wrestle normally? Three seems like enough.

Hiding concussions was the only wrong thing he did.
 
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serenewarfare

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Meltzer, who is assuredly operating on more info than us, has laid it out pretty clear.

If WWE clears Bryan, he's gonna stay and work for them.

If they don't, he'll go to Japan and Mexico.

I know people really want him in NJPW, and he probably would have amazing matches there. But from every indication, the ball is WWE's court here. They will have their choice of whether they want him or not.
 
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