Gunslinger
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Because that's what it seems like to me....?
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Can't bring myself to watch The Force Awakens more than a couple of times
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Because that's what it seems like to me....?
Bobby Roberts
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how though
Like, explain to me how it seems that way.
Because other than the very superficial part where someone force pulls a lightsaber, the scenes have almost zero in common at all. Situationally, tonally, thematically...
Crayon
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Wow you really like this movie.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Not as much as I like Star Wars or Empire though.
That's a thread about moments in the series, not the films entire.
(but yes, I like the movie)
shnurgleton
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"A couple of times" is one more time than I can bring myself to watch TFA
Trigonometrize.
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I think the "Rey grabs the lightsaber" moment is good. The moment itself is well done; I like the way Kylo comically flails out of the way even though he was moments before trying to bring it to him and it goes perfectly into her hand. Shows that Rey is finally ready to fight and has the ability to do it.
I'm going to try not and force-power-level here, but the things she was doing before were cooler. I think jedi mind tricking the stormtrooper already showed she was capable of applying the force so it doesn't come as too much of a shock when it crescendos into the force pull.
But that guy was just a grunt. He means nothing next to Kylo, right? The real problem is Rey already faced off against Kylo using the force in an earlier scene and it felt much more unique than the pull in the forest. During the interrogation you can see it go from Kylo fucking her up and her being scared shitless to her picking up on what he was doing and then to her starting to resist and finally shut him down completely. It was an application of the force we hadn't seen before, was done with relatively little dialogue, and basically did the same thing as the lightsaber grab 15, 20 minutes earlier.
I'm going to try not and force-power-level here, but the things she was doing before were cooler. I think jedi mind tricking the stormtrooper already showed she was capable of applying the force so it doesn't come as too much of a shock when it crescendos into the force pull.
But that guy was just a grunt. He means nothing next to Kylo, right? The real problem is Rey already faced off against Kylo using the force in an earlier scene and it felt much more unique than the pull in the forest. During the interrogation you can see it go from Kylo fucking her up and her being scared shitless to her picking up on what he was doing and then to her starting to resist and finally shut him down completely. It was an application of the force we hadn't seen before, was done with relatively little dialogue, and basically did the same thing as the lightsaber grab 15, 20 minutes earlier.
LookAtMeGo
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But.. the camera pan under the stairs!
And then Luke rage slashing vaders ass down and cutting off his hand. Its like the entire trilogy built up for that one scene!!
I still cheer every time.
Come on bobbeh!
Your scene is good too.
FutureLarking
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I watched TFA with kids. They stopped paying attention after they got on the falcon and couldn't care less for the rest of the film (hah, same as me as it happens).
Bobby Roberts
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But.. the camera pan under the stairs!
That's not a pan. That's a tracking shot
panning is when the camera is turned from its stationary position to look at something else.
That's a camera on a dolly track being pushed parallel to the action as it moves.
(there's one of those in The Force Awakens, too)
(so unoriginal, god what a rehash, can't they get their own original ideas, tracking shots can only be used once per fight per series and anything beyond that is just blatant pandering)
LookAtMeGo
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Lol. I learneded something new today.
I did love that scene too. Moreso than Rey grabbing the saber.
The first time Isaw it was in 3D and the snow was actually a bit distracting though. I dont like 3D.
I did love that scene too. Moreso than Rey grabbing the saber.
The first time Isaw it was in 3D and the snow was actually a bit distracting though. I dont like 3D.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I do like the throne room fight in Return of the Jedi, of course. It's basically the sequel to Empire that ROTJ was busy not being for most of its runtime. And it's easily the best shot thing in the whole film
LookAtMeGo
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I love that he takes his hand. Such sweet revenge.
They was always tryin to get Luke to give into his hate and rage. Seems like thats what he actually did at the end of that fight. I wonder if that somehow comes into play in the next film.
They was always tryin to get Luke to give into his hate and rage. Seems like thats what he actually did at the end of that fight. I wonder if that somehow comes into play in the next film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's probably the version you want if you care about extras and all that, yeah.
There's not going to be a special edition of the film.
There's not going to be a special edition of the film.
UnemployedVillain
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Lol, Reggie Fils-Aime, is that you? Did I secretly stumble onto a Gaming Side console wars thread?
Bobby Roberts
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what the fuck are you talking about
Is that post supposed to be for this thread?
edit: huh, apparently it is.
Is that post supposed to be for this thread?
edit: huh, apparently it is.
Stranger Things
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Star Wars is boring af
Trigonometrize.
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gottem
Gunslinger
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I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion bro. Nothing wrong with that if you think it's boring. SW universe atleast the main canon is pretty limited. TFA and R1 is a good example of that.
Principate
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Haha it does feel like we'rd in a list wars thread where the more bullets is seen as better.
uncelestial
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https://vimeo.com/160263943
^ I assume Bobby has seen this. This is as much labor as I'm willing to enact in pointing out how "samey" TFA was. This, along with the fact that we're all older and get our fixes for fantasy and space and sci-fi from multiple places now, probably explains a lot about why TFA is not as "rewatchable" to oldschool Star Wars fans. We're not kids anymore; I don't think there's any movie made since I was 20 that I really want to rewatch multiple times, but sometimes the comfort food of a movie from my childhood really hits the spot.
I have nothing but love for ya Bobby, I'm sorry we disagree on the whole rehash thing but it's so played out as an argument.
It's not just the shot-by-shots either, major story beats are also the same:
^ I assume Bobby has seen this. This is as much labor as I'm willing to enact in pointing out how "samey" TFA was. This, along with the fact that we're all older and get our fixes for fantasy and space and sci-fi from multiple places now, probably explains a lot about why TFA is not as "rewatchable" to oldschool Star Wars fans. We're not kids anymore; I don't think there's any movie made since I was 20 that I really want to rewatch multiple times, but sometimes the comfort food of a movie from my childhood really hits the spot.
I have nothing but love for ya Bobby, I'm sorry we disagree on the whole rehash thing but it's so played out as an argument.
It's not just the shot-by-shots either, major story beats are also the same:
Seductivpancakes
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You sure told em champ.
LookAtMeGo
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Have you seen A New World though?
Escape Goat
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Personally I would have preferred the lightsaber being pulled from the snow and flying towards / before a camera turn to show Luke in the final TFA fight but I totally get why they did it for Rey.
It's a damn satisfying moment in a fairly what I consider to be a good movie. Best Star Wars moment emotionally? Hmm not for me. IMO I'm turn between the quiet moment between Luke and Vader after he turns himself in on Endor, or Vader's (previously silent) internal conflict before turning on the Emperor.
But it's damn good.
It's a damn satisfying moment in a fairly what I consider to be a good movie. Best Star Wars moment emotionally? Hmm not for me. IMO I'm turn between the quiet moment between Luke and Vader after he turns himself in on Endor, or Vader's (previously silent) internal conflict before turning on the Emperor.
But it's damn good.
ryutaro's mama
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Yikes.
The Hamburglar
Banned
wow you've got issues bud. I know you're trying hard to defend this film but you keep bringing up the so unoriginal what a rehash constantly like the film is some form of victim.
If you can't see why people came away watching this and thinking hmm felt like ANH then w/e.
That's Star Wars protagonists as a whole. The good at everything part. Luke and Anakin both went from nobodies on Tatooine to participating, and helping win, major galactic conflicts in a couple of days.
Oh my God not this again...
Luke is an infinitely better and more interesting character than Rey. He's also not infallible and has to work for his powers and victories as opposed to the movie handing everything to him.
Gunslinger
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Is the Rey the strongest Jedi ever lived? I mean even stronger than the Force Unleashed character? I mean he was strong destroyed Vader and Emperor like nothing. But I think Rey is up there too has to be if she is mind reading kylo ren, Mind tricking stormtroopers, force pulling lightsaber and destroying Kylo Ren like nothing without any training. She is probably stronger than the TFU character I think.
No, he doesn't.
Luke literally goes from not knowing about the force to making an impossible shot in a couple of days, tops.
Bobby Roberts
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I probably do but I assure you you're not seeing any of 'em in this thread.
You have a shitty argument and I'm addressing it as such. It's not that I don't see why people are making their bad arguments. I understand them perfectly fine. I'm disagreeing with them. It's not a matter of misunderstanding at all.
I mean, I guess that's technically an issue?
See, that's an issue.
So none then.
That's why I don't get why you're still making it. It's a bad, boring, played out argument. Stop putting anything into it.
WadiumArcadium
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Is this a joke? Starkiller can bring down a goddamn Star Destroyer. Rey beats a dark side character that hasn't completed his training and is already injured when he begins to duel her. Kylo is nowhere near the power level of Vader yet.
Gunslinger
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I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Arya vs Brienne sparring version in Episode 8 between Luke Vs. Rey training session.
Bobby Roberts
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Gunslinger
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Rey didn't even have any training yet and shes doing advanced force techs already. Imagine if she was trained by Vader like the TFU character was. I think she would become the strongest. Even surpass EU luke I think.
evilromero
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I really enjoyed the movie when I saw it in the theater but I don't think I'd want to sit through it again at home. Once was enough.
The Hamburglar
Banned
my shitty argument lol. I never told you what my argument is. I was quoting you because you was quoting someone else. In the last 2 pages alone you've acted like the film is a victim with the so unoriginal blah blah.
if you want to disagree with it that's fine, do you need act like a an obnoxious kid though? not really.
What does Luke do to earn his powers or victories? In A New Hope his ability is largely inherited and innate.
She's masturbatory girl power fantasy. Beating a trained sith who can stop laser shots dead on their tracks was beyond ridiculous, injured or not.
Train. He didn't beat Vader on his first try.
WadiumArcadium
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Kylo's not as strong as Vader. Also not a Sith Lord. Also not fully trained. Also injured and a bit fucked up mentally after killing his dad.
Gunslinger
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To be fair Kylo Ren is still an appretince. By the time Luke Meets Anakin He is already well trained. He wiped out the Jedi, Hunted down Jedi's that escaped the order 66, Trained with palpatine. If anakin didn't lose to Obi-wan I think he would be been unstoppable. But that still don't explain how Rey is so Godlike who can do advanced force techs with no training.
Escape Goat
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Rey's piloting is mostly inherited from her Force instincts. Just like how Luke knew when to release the torpedos and deflect some stun lasers.
Rey mastered whole abilities in the span of 1 movie. She was also a master duelist with a light saber (which is very different from her staff). Luke thought he was Billy Badass in ESB and went off to rescue his friends. Vader was 100% in control during their fight. He was testing Luke and Luke got his ass beat.
This is probably the millionth time this has been discussed, but I'll just say if Rey was going to be so skilled she should at least fail a few times before she gets the hang of it. Maybe after she mind tricks the Stormtrooper her suggestion wears off and he snaps out it, alerting the base to her escape. Or she force jumps and overshoots her intended landing. Or she cuts her own damn hand off. Something.
As if Vader isn't also fucked up. rey was also injured during that fight. She still beat him despite having no training. That was ridiculous.
ryutaro's mama
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It was more than I was expecting when I clicked the link. Maybe "wow" would have been a better reaction.
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