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Microsoft (Aaron Greenberg) confirms they're in talks with Sony about crossplay

This probably isn't the case. There are plenty of games where part of the playerbase has access to content other players in the same pool don't, and that would likely be the situation here also.

I'm talking about map packs or exclusive strikes on Destiny where XB1 players don't have access to this type of stuff early. It would break compatibility with crossplay no?

And the whole point of crossplay is not to divide the communities into different pools but these things would divide them.
 
1 - Crossplay gives advantage to the console with a smaller install base, and could potentially lessen the sales of multiplats on PS4.

2 - PS4 games already have healthy online userbases for many games, so there is no public pressure to add more players into matchmaking pool.

3 - Logistical issues. How to report/ban user from another console? How to handle 2 players with same username? Do server apps need to be reworked? Can game clients/OS visually show who plays from what platform?

This could happen, but I think it will only come to small pool of selected games.
Interesting points.
 

Synth

Member
I'm talking about map packs or exclusive strikes on Destiny where XB1 players don't have access to this type of stuff early. It would break compatibility with crossplay no?

And the whole point of crossplay is not to divide the communities into different pools but these things would divide them.

It wouldn't break compatibility no. This situation already arises is say someone (me) didn't buy Rise of Iron but owned Destiny + TTK. I can still play with Rise of Iron owners, but if they decide to play content I don't have then I can't go with them (or they can't select it when with me). It's only recently most games have started offering new maps and such to all players, and then balancing this out with lootboxes etc, the common model up to now has always resulted in different players of the same game having access to different content, typically far more diverged than the tiny amount of differentiation typical include in platform exclusive content today.

The goal is to not divide communities sure... but there's still naturally some obstacles even on single platforms as to which players can play what content with others. It's a pretty small divide all considered and certainly not something worth throwing your hand in the air and separating the overall playerbase into 3 distinct islands instead (that still have a similar divide depending on what pre-order shit they offered). It's really not a significant issue.

Interesting points.

Points 1 and 2 legitimately couldn't be any less interesting at this point.

Point 3 is invalidated by PC crossplay.
 
Not making playstation customers sign up for a xbl account to crossplay would be step 1.

"Give us your IPs, and we'll give you the crossplay you so desperately want."

People don't realize that Minecraft crossplay cannot be implemented without signing into a microsoft account. It would be a technical nightmare or impossible.

None of this is true but keeps being blurted out by people who refuse to educate themselves on the matter. Do you need XBL login for Rocket League? Gwent? Ark? Pure Chess even? DQX with Switch?

Why would Sony ever agree to this? It's dumb to do so.


Friend wants to play with other friends on Minecraft. He has a choice. Get a PS4.

Open up crossplay and what does Sony gain? That same person buys an XBox instead of a PS4?


Sony isn't in the business of making XBox gamers happy. That's Microsofts job.


Why anyone thinks Sony should be in the business of helping XBox One get sales rather than a PS4 for online play with friends is beyond me.

Another corporate apologist, defending the big corporation over the consumer, and this time with talesfrommyass facts!

Firstly, for the game in question here, the Xbox MC user base is bigger than PS4s user base. Then you combine Nintendo + PC + iOS + Android + other devices and the PS4 user base is a speck in the sand compared to what MS has available to them. IOS user base alone in insane. Why do apologists/fanboys think MS needs help with user base when even Rocket League has millions of XBL players?

Secondly, PS4 is about to have the worst version without the Better Together update and what it brings to MC. If you play MC on PS4, wouldn't you want that update? Why WOULD you defend Sony in this case talking about what's good for the corporation? And of course without the crossplay, which means the vastly smaller user base (since you and certain others think that means something, apparently).
 
People arguing that not allowing cross-play forces people to buy a PS4 to play Minecraft with their friends are not thinking about how PS4 is a fraction of a fraction of Minecraft's installbase. If two friends want to play Minecraft together and one has a PS4 and one doesn't, the friend doesn't buy a PS4, they play it on their fucking phones instead in which case MS wins twice and Sony sees nothing.

It's dumb to restrict cross-play. It only hurts Sony regardless of what some of you seem to think.
 

DrkSage

Member
Video footage of those talks

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I got an exclusive interview of both of them:
Here's Microsofts interview:
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Were still waiting for sonys response
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Another corporate apologist, defending the big corporation over the consumer, and this time with talesfrommyass facts!

Firstly, for the game in question here, the Xbox MC user base is bigger than PS4s user base. Then you combine Nintendo + PC + iOS + Android + other devices and the PS4 user base is a speck in the sand compared to what MS has available to them. IOS user base alone in insane. Why do apologists/fanboys think MS needs help with user base when even Rocket League has millions of XBL players?

Secondly, PS4 is about to have the worst version without the Better Together update and what it brings to MC. If you play MC on PS4, wouldn't you want that update? Why WOULD you defend Sony in this case talking about what's good for the corporation? And of course without the crossplay, which means the vastly smaller user base (since you and certain others think that means something, apparently).

Get bent out of shape and label me whatever you want, I couldn't care less.

Being realistic as to why they may be deciding against this doesn't make me an apologist. I'm just giving my take on what they may be thinking and why.

We don't know the exact reason why. We are all speculating here.
 

jelly

Member
The only point Sony has is more big games may go cross play. Is that a bad thing, not from a consumer perspective, arguable from a business perspective but what are they worried about, consumers buy a console and that reason is what if cross play becomes a bigger thing, do Sony have a weak offering or does their catalogue of games mean users flock to them over Xbox.

Cross play only means users may look at Playstation with a more critical eye if multiplatform is all users care about, that's what Sony is worried about and Microsoft should be worried much the same but the lack of games and original Xbox One did much of the work already to knock them into second place. Competition, great for consumers. Sony are afraid people will choose Xbox because Playstation isn't strong on all fronts but really, they have the base, the games, put the work in and make Playstation better and don't worry, compete.
 

robjn3

Member
It would just make everyone's life easier, imagine if people can play either console without having to worry about not playing with friends, i would love it if no matter what console you could play with your friends on certain games to start with and then progress further.

I don't think it will ever happen though.
 
PS4 owners also benefit from a bigger player base, you get better matchmaking with a bigger pool.
And for those that say PS4 owners don't have problems finding matches, try playing BF1 operations on a DLC map, the wait for 10/10 players to show up is often many minutes.
 
Shit. Sony could even get away with mandating that it be like Rocket League crossplay. No partying up with friends on other platforms, but you still get most of the benefits for consumers and developers (faster matchmaking and better skill matching in all regions at all times of day even for healthy games, and cohesive communities for developers to be able to support better and for longer periods of time). This does away with the bullshit argument that people might potentially not buy a PlayStation because of this.

This is something I could see them doing. I think the people that could have made full crossplay happen at Sony are not with the company anymore, or are not in a position to make it happen.
 

Dadasch

Member
Huh...I'd always pictured tennis in this analogy.
That doesn't make any sense. In Tennis you would have lost the point, if the ball is "in your court", but in Basketball you are left with the choice of picking it up in order to "play together".
 

nekkid

It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
That doesn't make any sense. In Tennis you would have lost the point, if the ball is "in your court", but in Basketball you are left with the choice of picking it up in order to "play together".

I stand by my version.
 

Tumle

Member
After lots of speculation about it being the Xbox live membership that is holding Sony back.. I'm now convinced it's more about the publishing rights to the game that is at stake here..
Look at who the publisher is
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/minecraft-ps4/
Would you as a company give away your publishing rights for the biggest game in the world, on the the console with the biggest installbase?
 

slayzz

Member
1 - Crossplay gives advantage to the console with a smaller install base, and could potentially lessen the sales of multiplats on PS4.

2 - PS4 games already have healthy online userbases for many games, so there is no public pressure to add more players into matchmaking pool.

3 - Logistical issues. How to report/ban user from another console? How to handle 2 players with same username? Do server apps need to be reworked? Can game clients/OS visually show who plays from what platform?

This could happen, but I think it will only come to small pool of selected games.

This is how I see it too.

Microsoft was in the same boat during the 360/PS3 era. Xbox 360 was kicking PS3 in the ass, so they didn't allow crossplay while PS3 allowed crossplay. Remember FF14?

It sucks for us consumers but business is always profit first above everything else.
 

Synth

Member
After lots of speculation about it being the Xbox live membership that is holding Sony back.. I'm now convinced it's more about the publishing rights to the game that is at stake here..
Look at who the publisher is
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/minecraft-ps4/
Would you as a company give away your publishing rights for the biggest game in the world, on the the console with the biggest installbase?

Why would they be giving up publishing rights?

Where does all this imaginative fiction keep coming from?
 
If I am Microsoft Studio's negotiation team, I'll carefully implanted a "all online portion of any versions of your software should be connected to Xbox one" clause in every ID@Xbox contract. I bet I can snatch an army of exclusives within a year.
 

TheKeyPit

Banned
I have a dream that one day this industry will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "Play together."

I have a dream that one day on the green hills of a Minecraft world, the sons of Nintendo owners, PC owners, Playstation owners and Xbox owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood and forge alliances.

I have a dream that my two little children will one day live in a world where they will not be judged by the platform they own but by their skill.

I have a dream that one day, down in a Minecraft cave, with its exploding Creepers, with its Skeletons having their bows readied -- one day right there in Minecraft little boys and girls from every platform will be able to join hands as sisters and brothers to eliminate dark forces.

I have a dream today!

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Sony, pls.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
I have a dream that one day this industry will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "Play together."

I have a dream that one day on the green hills of a Minecraft world, the sons of Nintendo owners, PC owners, Playstation owners and Xbox owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood and forge alliances.

I have a dream that my two little children will one day live in a world where they will not be judged by the platform they own but by their skill.

I have a dream that one day, down in a Minecraft cave, with its exploding Creepers, with its Skeletons having their bows readied -- one day right there in Minecraft little boys and girls from every platform will be able to join hands as sisters and brothers to eliminate dark forces.

I have a dream today!

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Sony, pls.

Sony says no
 

Usobuko

Banned
I have a dream that one day this industry will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "Play together."

Imagine if this sets an example for other industries.

The dominance of the likes of Whatsapp, Uber, Tinder, Facebook and even YouTube will finally be broken.

But nah, $$$$$ matters at the end of the day.
 
1 - Crossplay gives advantage to the console with a smaller install base, and could potentially lessen the sales of multiplats on PS4.

2 - PS4 games already have healthy online userbases for many games, so there is no public pressure to add more players into matchmaking pool.

3 - Logistical issues. How to report/ban user from another console? How to handle 2 players with same username? Do server apps need to be reworked? Can game clients/OS visually show who plays from what platform?

This could happen, but I think it will only come to small pool of selected games.

1. Prove it. That's some pretty strong conjecture based on no evidence for this whatsoever.

2. There's plenty of public pressure to do this have you not been paying attention?

3. You start somewhere and go from there. There's no perfect solution but that hasn't stopped other companies from jumping on board. Sony's being defensive when they don't need to be.
 

Synth

Member
Imagine if this sets an example for other industries.

The dominance of the likes of Whatsapp, Uber, Tinder, Facebook and even YouTube will finally be broken.

But nah, $$$$$ matters at the end of the day.

To be fair, if compared directly other industries are already where we're trying to get to with this. You don't download WhatsApp on your iPhone and only get to talk to other iPhone WhatsApp users. WhatsApp is just WhatsApp regardless of platform, just as Minecraft should just be Minecraft.
 

Tumle

Member
Why would they be giving up publishing rights?

Where does all this imaginative fiction keep coming from?
So Microsoft has been rewamping the game build it up around the win10 edition of minecraft and wants to switch out all the different versions to allow crossplay.. and you think Sony is going to keep the publishing rights after all the work Microsoft has put in to it?:/
 

Synth

Member
So Microsoft has been rewamping the game build it up around the win10 edition of minecraft and wants to switch out all the different versions to allow crossplay.. and you think Sony is going to keep the publishing rights after all the work Microsoft has put in to it?:/

Yup. It's an update, not a new SKU.
 

TheKeyPit

Banned
To be fair, if compared directly other industries are already where we're trying to get to with this. You don't download WhatsApp on your iPhone and only get to talk to other iPhone WhatsApp users. WhatsApp is just WhatsApp regardless of platform, just as Minecraft should just be Minecraft.
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MisterR

Member
1. Prove it. That's some pretty strong conjecture based on no evidence for this whatsoever.

2. There's plenty of public pressure to do this have you not been paying attention?

3. You start somewhere and go from there. There's no perfect solution but that hasn't stopped other companies from jumping on board. Sony's being defensive when they don't need to be.

1. That's basic common sense. One of the major advantage of being the market leader is that people usually want to game with their friends. To do that on PS4, they currently have to buy a PS4, you give away that advantage if you give everyone access to your player base. Sometimes you have to use your brain and figure things out because the parties involved don't always spell everything out for you.

2. There is pressure on GAF, there is no evidence that the mainstream of gamers gives two shits about this issue.

3. Basically there is nothing in this for Sony. Any annoyances just make it less appealing for them to do this.
 
Yuck, hopefully Sony doesn't let the cancerous Xbox community into their ecosystem. If they want to play with the players then they should pay $300 for their own PS4. It even comes with the academy award winning movie "Uncharted 4", so good luck coming up with excuses Xboxers.
 

MisterR

Member
I mean c'mon guys... at some point you're just being unreasonable. What's he supposed to say? "No comment!!"?

He's proved to be full of shit multiple times. I just don't take anything that comes out of his mouth seriously. He's all PR all the time.
 
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