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Hearthstone |OT9| Our raid wiped in Icecrown Citadel

BashNasty

Member
I can't get past the frostmourne turn with hunter.

And i don't think it keeps track of which classes you've completed it with. Which seems like it can turn into a real bummer.

It does keep track, once you beat the Lich King for the first time it will show you which classes you've yet to beat him with.
 

wiibomb

Member
Which is which?

I use mirror in my tempo deck, but sometimes feel it would benefit from using clone, especially against aggro.

I use both in my secret deck.

against aggro you need mirror entity over frozen clone, because even i you get 2 copies of any minion, you still need to pay the mana to play them and also wait a turn for them to attack, while mirror entity allows you to immediately attack a minion while also using all you mana and cards to answer the opponents board.

in the aggro case, mirror entity is better, but that isn't saying much since that secret (and most secrets) is slow against aggro
 

Arjen

Member
Mirror matches are sure fun when you're oppenent draws raza and dk in the first ten turns and yours are both at the bottom 9 :/
 

Nachos

Member
Managed to beat Lich King with wild C'Thun Rogue. He always uses Frostmourne on turn 7 before attacking with any minions on the board, so all you have to do is drop a Doomsayer on your turn 7, and he won't even have the damage to deal with it.

And I didn't even get the chance to draw Sludge Belcher or Healbot, so I think it's beatable standard-only.
 

TankUP

Member
Spent 10 minutes trying to get a Kabal lackey counterspell start. I fucking hate pve. Fuck them for gating the new hero behind this bullshit. This is not fun. Just let me give you 10 dollars you asshats.
 

TankUP

Member
Oh good lord.

Sorry for the salt. I hate adventures. I hated doing them to get the cards I bought back in the day, I hate having to do this set to get the alternate hero. When they're easy it's not that big of a deal but when I have to sit there for half an hour and hit "restart" until I get a good opener I get pissed.
 

DrkSage

Member
Evolve shaman works perfectly. Now if only I could figure out how to overcome what LK does to priest...
Can confirm.

Just beat him with Evo shaman. Just gotta get that devolve before turn seven, and have dopple ganger + 2x evolve and/or deathseer thral

Now to try it with the other 8....
 

Tunoku

Member
I got 2 Ultimate Infestations in Arena, but my curve seems like a mess. :/

https://abload.de/img/screenshot2017-08-242bmbk5.png
https://abload.de/img/screenshot2017-08-24202bpf.png

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How do you guys rate the classes at this point? Haven't really played any arena before, so I'm still pretty new to this.
 
A spell-only or minion-only Innervate would probably work exactly like Prep. Try to imagine the implementation you're thinking of on your head. What would the text look like? What would the Mana crystals look like? It's easier to communicate the effect if you have that "next card" limitation.
It would definitely need some kind of new card text. Remember when there were rumors of "Red Mana" back during...Old Gods? It would need something like that. "Gain two red mana crystals for this turn only. Red mana crystals may only be spent on spells. "

Well sure, but it's a single copy in your deck. Your opponent has the chance to interact with your threats beforehand, like they can polymorph/hex/devolve. You still need to draw every piece you just listed.

Like UI does so much on its own, and it covers a weakness of ramp. That's the problem.
My point isn't whether N'Zoth is better than UI, but that complaining about UI based on its value for mana cost is absurd.

Innervate 0
Gain 2 mana crystal your next turn only


Druid fixed, you can thanks me blizzard.
I need answers NOW!

*picks hunter*

*lich king plays spell that deals 2 damage for each minion in the deck*

-32 Damage
Secret Hunter time.

You could make innervate "Refresh 2 empty mana crystals", so you can't play cards above your current mana pool. Might not see much play outside of aggro, but wouldn't kill it.

Innervate is very balanced in wild, so I'd be happy with just hall of faming it.
I would still run it in Jade. Outside of UI, I use Innervate to clear my hand faster so I can UI again. :)

56% winrate for murloc paladin over Jade Druid is a little bit of a counter.

If that's not a counter, then Murloc Paladin and Pirate Warrior do not have any counters either. They even have Murloc Paladin at number one power ranking for ranks 5 to 1.
Murlocs are really hard for Jade Druid.

for what I've been seeing, Lich King seems to be favorable with the DK cards, almost as if they are always a way to defeat him
Quest: Craft all of the Deathknight cards!
 

gutshot

Member
Anyone able to beat the Lich King as Hunter? Seems really hard thanks to the combination of being punished by running minions, but needing minions to pressure him fast enough in the late game before that hero power kills you.
 

Pooya

Member
warrior one took me ages to get done and I got lucky, I played patron warrior with Reno, I played Reno 3 times to win lol. I have mage and hunter left.

the AI is dumb, so you can just nullify his turn 7 with doomsayer.
 

Dahbomb

Member
If they end up hitting Jade Idol, I think here's a thematic idea:

Jade Idol -1
Choose 1:
Summon an X/X Jade Idol
Shuffle 3 Jade Shards into your deck

Jade Shard -1

Summon an X/X Jade Idol.

But yeah, the issue lies 100% with Innervate/Spreading Plague/UI.
That's basically my idea. The cards you shuffle into your deck are essentially Jade Idols bur without the shuffle option.

But it's still 1 mana so still extremely strong.


Also this Lich King encounter is hilarious. Went in with Mill Rogue after beating him with Renolock and Jade Druid .. he deletes 2/3rds of my deck LMAO!

I half expect him to have a "DRAW YOUR LAST PATHETIC CARD!" line.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Nah these challenges are excellent as are the lines.

But man that Hunter one seems legit difficult. I thought he would delete beasts but deleting minions makes it probably the hardest one yet. I am thinking the Hunter DK is a must and sadly that's the only DK I don't have.
 

ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
Nah these challenges are excellent as are the lines.

But man that Hunter one seems legit difficult. I thought he would delete beasts but deleting minions makes it probably the hardest one yet. I am thinking the Hunter DK is a must and sadly that's the only DK I don't have.

What does his life and lifegain look like? Maybe just shoot his face every turn, lol.
 

Dahbomb

Member
What does his life and lifegain look like? Maybe just shoot his face every turn, lol.
He has 60 life and some decent armor gain but the main issue is that on turn 7 he will become immune with an immune Frostmorne (and infinite durability) along with a board full of 2/6s. Without a board clear or minions yourself, you will pretty much die in this phase.

And then in the following phase he will just burn you down with his hero power. And Hunter lacks the healing to counter that.
 
Wait at the Hearthstone event the Lich King had 1 million health and everyone who participated/showed up at Gamescom could fight him and slowly wittle him down?

Now that sounds awesome. I want that.
 

Kangi

Member
Warlock's pretty easy for Lich King. Though I did get a Plague Scientist from one of the knights which I combo'd on a Dreadlord... kinda trivialized it.
 

Mulgrok

Member
Palying secret mage for daily quest at rank 5. Obliterated lots of priests, jade druids, murloc paladins,and quest mages, and never lost a match. Guess there is a counter to this annoying meta.

EDIT: counterspell + spell bender doing overtime. stealing paladin buffs, preventing removal of threats, disrupting quest mage's attempts to copy apprentice.
 

Xanathus

Member
Whew, got through most of the classes against Lich King, only Warrior and Hunter left. Hunter is the one that I'm the most unsure of. Seems like it requires owning the Hunter DK.
 
Wait at the Hearthstone event the Lich King had 1 million health and everyone who participated/showed up at Gamescom could fight him and slowly wittle him down?

Now that sounds awesome. I want that.

Putting that out into the wild seems problematic, as it just takes one person to get lucky, and it is over for all. The Priest deck at the show had a Lyra, so it would be possible for someone to get lucky from that at hit massive damage - especially when masses are playing.
 

Xanathus

Member
Putting that out into the wild seems problematic, as it just takes one person to get lucky, and it is over for all. The Priest deck at the show had a Lyra, so it would be possible for someone to get lucky from that at hit massive damage - especially when masses are playing.

When the Lich King died it just reset him back to full health. There's no harm in it getting a huge chunk of damage or whatever.
 
When the Lich King died it just reset him back to full health. There's no harm in it getting a huge chunk of damage or whatever.

I did not know that bit, but if this is a public thing, once he dies once what is the incentive for people to keep going? Maybe offer some card packs... that always works!
 

wiibomb

Member
I did not know that bit, but if this is a public things, once he dies once what is the incentive for people to keep going? Maybe offer some card packs?

this is what I've been thinking.

may be the same raid boss here online for everyone and people would need to do X damage to LK to get X amount of packs, incrementally from 1 to may be 3, that would be a nice incentive. That also can work as a nice seasonal event.

I still think HS has a lot of space to grow in game modes, but Team 5 is absurdly lazy about that particular aspect
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
How is it even possible to win with Hunter if you're lacking some of the key legendaries? Other ones you can get through even just by pure attrition but the Hunter one is rough.

One shot it on my first try with a Jade Druid deck... turns out you don't really play any 3 cost or lower minions anyway.
 

wiibomb

Member
can we seriously stop with calling devs lazy?

Yeah it's obviously because they have poor time management skills not because they are lazy.

from all things Team 5 does, that is the only thing I consider them "lazy" (may be lazy is too harsh)

they usually don't care about making game modes and updating current ones take them literally years, yeah it could be poor time management, but I'm not that sure about it, never heard info about how they fully manage their time.

their priorities are very clear, they want new cards, new events and updates to the current state of the game, not new game modes.
 

TankUP

Member
can we seriously stop with calling devs lazy?

They aren't lazy. They don't want to increase the complexity of the game (from the UI to game size to making it difficult for new players to figure out what mode they are supposed to play) and alienate their vast audience of casual players who play on their phones--you know, the ones whose collective microtransactions are responsible for the incredible financial success of the game?
 

Fewr

Member
Since I got so tired of this meta, I picked druid to farm the druid golden portrait before blizzard nerfs it o oblivion. Best case scenario, everyone plays druid and blizzard puts an stop to this.

I played the version with spellbreaker, black knight, kun and big game hunter. The deck has an answer to everything. I beated a murloc paladin that was so salty that he wrote me for 15 minutes

https://twitter.com/Barrigol1/status/900687263721508864

Objectively, he was right with everything that he said (well, I reached rank 1 thrice in my life at least) but still is was funny to poke him
Followed.
 

scarlet

Member
Got Valeera the hollow from pack, so got 6 Legendaries from around 90 packs. Somehow I manage to avoid all princes.

Time to save for next expansion.
 

Tunoku

Member
I caved and crafted 2 Ultimate Infestations and 2 Druid of the Swarm to make a more or less complete token deck. I'm missing Fandral, but the deck works without him.
 

Pooya

Member
I gave up, you need to own some of the death knights and I don't have Jaina or Rexxar. Sigh.

rogue / druid / warlock / shaman / priest were super easy.

warrior took me several tries, it takes so long. In the end patrons did it for me and got tons of armors.

Paladin one is so BS, it takes several tries with murlocs, it's very frustrating, you need good draws and doomsayer on time.

For the first time pve is actually damn hard...
 
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