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[Psychoward]

Just finished Mafia 3. I've literally heard this word more than fifty times during my playtrough.

this thread lol

 

[Kayant]

One is a hard insult and absolutely nasty slur the other can possibly be used as a variation of "bro" in the right context.

And that's the thing I don't understand what magically makes it better because of "context" or spelling.

Nigger: A racial slur used throughout history to demean us

Nigga: A word also used to demean us, however it was also taken back to be used as we see fit

And hint, black people tend to not say nigger

Maybe it's just me but as a black guy it seems silly to me that just because the spelling is different it makes it a more acceptable empowerment thing when the meaning is still the same.

 

[BGBW]

Don't know why it even matters if he said it with an r or an a. It's offensive either way.

The whole 'said it with an a at the end' excuse always comes across as lame and seems to be leading to a slow acceptance that it's OK to say.

There's hardly ever a need to use the word yet people are so desperate to keep spouting it. Just accept it's hurtful and move on.

There's a whole dictionary full of words you can use. Be clever for a change and use a term that's inoffensive like 'fopdoodle'.

EDIT: Probably should note this applies to the non-black population.

 

[Ozigizo]

Just finished Mafia 3. I've literally heard this word more than fifty times during my playtrough.

Wow, it's almost like that game covers the topic of racism!

🤷🤷🤷

 

[Stallion Dan]

Probably PDP, and all of his Youtube "friend".

If the dev of Firewatch can gain enough momentum, as in more dev follow suit and DMCA'd his ass, nobody will dare associate with the fucker.

Which is a big deal because they hit where it hurt, money.

Or your know, we can just outrage and not do a damn thing.

I think most Devs would rather he play their games and they get free advertising. He made EA print new copies of an old game. Imaging what he doing for Indies.

 

[Kaako]

Oh come the hell on now.

I've explained it now like 10 times. I AM NOT DEFENDING HIS WORDS.

Done with this now.

You gave benefit of doubt in a situation ill-suited for benefit of doubt. You did not think it through properly.

 

[MKIL65]

Despite the fact that people here don't follow him, this thread has been consistently bumped to the top since it was posted, where it will stay for the rest of the day.

Clearly we need to Subscribe to bigots before we can criticize them.

Do you realize how stupid this sounds?

 

[Gamezone]

And?

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

But 47 pages in an hour..?

 

[D i Z]

A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States. Americans don't hold a monopoly on language, they butcher all language to overly simplify things globally.

The vast majority of you don't watch Pewdiepie, you likely all swore off him after the Nazi jokes, and likely just want to get in the mandatory "oh my god so offensive" posts. Despite the fact that people here don't follow him, this thread has been consistently bumped to the top since it was posted, where it will stay for the rest of the day. Oh no. A youtuber said a word in a PUBG stream that Americans consider naughty he is now human garbage.

Which is factually untrue.

 

[minusman2029]

I think this is a really dangerous precedent and Gaf should be seriously wary of supporting it. I understand that a publisher/developer might not like their game to be played by a person who doesn't share their values. However Let's Play videos are already in uncertain legal territory. Even if they are supported across the board or not. If this is allowed to happen it could potentially mean that a YouTuber cannot make a let's play video of a game unless they are pre-approved by the publisher. This is bad news because it could lead to vetting of YouTubers so only brand loyal ones are approved who will give favourable coverage.

I understand the strong feeling to take action but this is not the way.

I'm not really familiar with the legal issues of Lets Play videos, but I think you may be conflating what are really two separate ideas. It makes a lot of moral and business sense for a publisher to distance themselves (and their brand) from a streamer who has a long documented history of racist/toxic views.

This is not necessarily the same thing as vetting YouTubers and streams for 'brand loyalty'. As far as we know, pewdie may have have given a very good review of Firewatch in previous vids. If developers were filing DMCA takedowns of content solely because streamers were being very critical of their games then I agree with you that this is a very dangerous policy. But that's not the case here.

 

[LordOcidax]

47 Pages.... Really... Reeaaalllyyy.

 

[ViviOggi]

Nigger: A racial slur used throughout history to demean us

Nigga: A word also used to demean us, however it was also taken back to be used as we see fit

And hint, black people tend to not say nigger

Yeah because AAVE is a non-rhotic variety. Does it make a difference whether white people use the GenAm [ər] variant or adopt the [a] pronunciation? I'd argue no (they shouldn't be using either).

Also ftr PDP is a racist cunt

 

[PK Gaming]

And?

Oh don't worry, I've got this

Just finished Mafia 3. I've literally heard this word more than fifty times during my playtrough and it's not that big of a deal at all. It's just a word.

 

[Bahorel]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

But I mean you do understand the difference between a historical fiction covering the subject of racism and modern day nonfictional conduct right

 

[Glass Shark]

A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States.

We’ve had people in this thread who are actually from Sweden say this isn’t true. What’s your qualification for making such a statement.

 

[Bronetta]

A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States. Americans don't hold a monopoly on language, they butcher all language to overly simplify things globally.

The vast majority of you don't watch Pewdiepie, you likely all swore off him after the Nazi jokes, and likely just want to get in the mandatory "oh my god so offensive" posts. Despite the fact that people here don't follow him, this thread has been consistently bumped to the top since it was posted, where it will stay for the rest of the day. Oh no. A youtuber said a word in a PUBG stream that Americans consider naughty he is now human garbage.

I love it when juniors with ridiculously low post counts come out with such passion in these racism/controversy threads.

If only you had such passion for threada about video games!

 

[Fitts]

I can't believe some people here are actually trying to come up with excuses for him saying that kind of shit. Absolutely disgusting. To the ignore list you go.

Yeah, I never advocate for being PC but this is inexcusable. I don't see how anyone could so casually throw an N bomb out like that unless they're a genuinely shitty person. It's even worse that he's a public figure targeted at kids and should be making a concerted effort to have a filter.

 

[Messofanego]

Comedians like Paul F Tompkins are joining the conversation, love it.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

But 47 pages in an hour..?

Great contribution.

 

[Enzom21]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

Nothing huh? Pewdiepie is not just an asshole, he’s also a racist.

Edit:

But 47 pages in an hour..?

Ah so that was your actual point, you don’t think it’s a big deal.

 

[Devilinthiscity]

Man, you would think that the Pewdiepie defenders would think twice before posting in here to defend the guy yet again for saying some stupid racist bullshit. Some of these posts are fucking embarrassing.

 

[Cymbal Head]

Put this little shit on a rocket to Mars with Ian Miles Cheong.

The culture around gaming is irredeemably toxic and embarrassing, and unless we start weeding out the kind of people who defend casual racism, things will not change.

 

[Fat4all]

Comedians like Paul F Tompkins are joining the conversation, love it.

ayyy

 

[Beefy]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

But 47 pages in an hour..?

One is a computer game and the the other with millions and millions of children viewing content that should be child friendly.

One is a game depicting racism and the other is a racist.


It's like one isn't like the other

 

[KyleCross]

Comedians like Paul F Tompkins are joining the conversation, love it.

Beautiful.

 

[pegaso]

A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States. Americans don't hold a monopoly on language, they butcher all language to overly simplify things globally.

The vast majority of you don't watch Pewdiepie, you likely all swore off him after the Nazi jokes, and likely just want to get in the mandatory "oh my god so offensive" posts. Despite the fact that people here don't follow him, this thread has been consistently bumped to the top since it was posted, where it will stay for the rest of the day. Oh no. A youtuber said a word in a PUBG stream that Americans consider naughty he is now human garbage.

He's not using an "european" word, is he? But an American one. With an american, pejorative meaning, and with a pejorative intention. And he was obviously fully aware of it, which is why he quickly tried to apologise. Please do not speak as if everyone here is an idiot that can't understand context. And I say this as an European just as familiar with English and internet slang as PDP.

 

[Ozigizo]

We’ve had people in this thread who are actually from Sweden say this isn’t true. What’s your qualification for making such a statement.

Neo-nazis alt account hopping in to a thread about racism to handwave it. It happens frequently with pdp threads on the gaming side.

 

[LionPride]

Yeah because AAVE is a non-rhotic variety. Does it make a difference whether white people use the GenAm [ər] variant or adopt the [a] pronunciation? I'd argue no (they shouldn't be using either).

Also ftr PDP is a racist cunt

Fuck no, white people shouldn't be saying nigga either

 

[reKon]

Comedians like Paul F Tompkins are joining the conversation, love it.

perfection

 

[King Tubby]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

But 47 pages in an hour..?

Pewdiepie is quite possibly the most famous gamer in the world. He's certainly the most popular gaming youtuber.

 

[i-Lo]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

The ramifications are different given the context in which these incidents have occurred. You claim to be unaffected and so good for you. However, brushing it aside because how you view him is different from how it may affect many others who are consumers of his content.

 

[mugurumakensei]

I think this is a really dangerous precedent and Gaf should be seriously wary of supporting it. I understand that a publisher/developer might not like their game to be played by a person who doesn't share their values. However Let's Play videos are already in uncertain legal territory. Even if they are supported across the board or not. If this is allowed to happen it could potentially mean that a YouTuber cannot make a let's play video of a game unless they are pre-approved by the publisher. This is bad news because it could lead to vetting of YouTubers so only brand loyal ones are approved who will give favourable coverage.

I understand the strong feeling to take action but this is not the way.

Eh, there was never any murkiness. The devs always had and will have the power to control who posts videos of their content. The debate has mostly centered on whether devs should be entitled to part of the revenue. Devs do not want their games associated with racism or racists. Dev issues DMCA takedown due unauthorized use.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Nothing, really. I take these video games characters just as serious as Pewdiepie. He's an asshole, that's no secret.

But 47 pages in an hour..?

Dude, he got fucking 60 Million or whatever fucking followers/subs which most of these are probably younger people and you are jsut handwaving this shit?

 

[Dynasty]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/906960217350529024

PDP new friends, well they've been friends for months now.

 

[D i Z]

Just finished Mafia 3. I've literally heard this word more than fifty times during my playtrough.

congratulations..... ??

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Made a thread to take all the DMCA talk to, as per Besada's request:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=248510978

Hopefully we can keep any further discussion on topic.

 

[OdysseusVA]

Just finished Mafia 3. I've literally heard this word more than fifty times during my playtrough.

Keep going

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

It's like they didn't teach their participation in the economy of the African Slave trade in history class.

They don't want to know.

I can't remember covering it in school... UK here, and I will say that if it wasn't for the vast amounts of imported American media, I'd probably not have such a clear bead on this.

Growing up in the UK, I rarely heard n-bombs from my parents generation - they could use terms like 'Paki', 'Chink' and 'raghead' like they were going out of fashion though (apologies for spelling 'em out in full folks -hope the conversational context is clear).

My own generation, raised on a solid diet of American cinema and music, tend to drop n-bombs way more, but even then I have to head home to hear it in person. (I grew up in a white, rural area - casual racism is pretty common there and mostly goes unchallenged).

There is a definitely a difference on this side of the Atlantic, but I'd have a hard time believing anyone in the UK wouldn't have at least a top level understanding of the significance of an n-bomb. The rest of Europe, well, that's a whole other thing.

 

[Aselith]

I AM NOT DEFENDING HIS WORDS.

but you can somewhat excuse

the lack of ability to distinguish the two forms by him being a non-native English speaker.

What's that word that I highlighted there?

 

[JBourne]

Oh come the hell on now.

I've explained it now like 10 times. I AM NOT DEFENDING HIS WORDS.

Done with this now.

"I was just making up excuses for how maybe this wasn't racist and everyone is calling me out on it. I'M OUT OF HERE."

Happens every time.

 

[Salaadin]

Comedians like Paul F Tompkins are joining the conversation, love it.

Haha. PFT is the best

 

[Shake Appeal]

Man, you would think that the Pewdiepie defenders would think twice before posting in here to defend the guy yet again for saying some stupid racist bullshit. Some of these posts are fucking embarrassing.

Having vocal defenders on GAF and an audience of millions while getting away with saying ridiculous, hateful shit time and again. PewDiePie is so fucking depressing to think about.

 

[Wanchan]

The idea that you could use the internet for years and consume American pop culture for years and NOT know that word is racist is just absurd. Come on.

This is exactly why people outside of America don't think that word is racist or at least knows why it's a very bad word to use, it being overused in American shows, series, music, movies and it's often said casually without any issue.

ps : not trying to defend pewdiepie here, just arguing about this.

 

[BGBW]

A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States. Americans don't hold a monopoly on language, they butcher all language to overly simplify things globally.

It's offensive in the UK (origin of English) as well so this whole "only in America" excuse should really be put to a stop.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Comedians like Paul F Tompkins are joining the conversation, love it.

😂😂😂😂

 

[Psychoward]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/906960217350529024

PDP new friends, well they've been friends for months now.

not new friends at all

 

[Interficium]

Just finished Mafia 3. I've literally heard this word more than fifty times during my playtrough.

welcome goodbye to the gamezone.

 

[Box of Kittens]

A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States. Americans don't hold a monopoly on language, they butcher all language to overly simplify things globally.

The vast majority of you don't watch Pewdiepie, you likely all swore off him after the Nazi jokes, and likely just want to get in the mandatory "oh my god so offensive" posts. Despite the fact that people here don't follow him, this thread has been consistently bumped to the top since it was posted, where it will stay for the rest of the day. Oh no. A youtuber said a word in a PUBG stream that Americans consider naughty he is now human garbage.

Wow, your post history is, well, exactly what I thought it would be.

EDIT: Banned, but still. What an asshole.

 

[frontovik]

PDP has always come off as a pompous clown to me; not surprised to see his big mouth becoming more obscene.

 

[Tame Deity]

With all the words he could've said he chose that one. There's literally millions of choices here, "you fucking asshole" "shit" "dick" "dickass?" After seeing how normal it sounds to him using that word as an insult by default is more than enough evidence you will need to know. Scared for the unavoidable mass of younger viewers to try and emulate this.