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Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Gameplay/Pre-Launch Discussion Thread

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Can't believe the Gill and Soul information was actually taken seriously.

"Well, yeah he can resurrect himself.

but you know one of the Soul Stone's basic properties? Yeah, that's not going to work with him"

haha, come on now. So the soul stone would be completely useless on Gill teams? I don't buy it.
 
Dam hotsgaf is all up in marvel, that's awesome

Still way too early to write anyone off imo, you can say that certain movesets have objectively lost options compared to 3 but this game is so different it's hard to think about lol

Also w/r/t zero...im hearing that you cant rebind two of the same button in this game, meaning you cant bind like lp or something to a shoulder button without disabling it elsewhere. This affects zero play a lot right? If you're charging and you start a combo it might be really difficult

the hell's a Hots gaf? is that like a condition?

heroes of the storm?
Yeah. A lot of Fighting Game GAF also plays Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm.

Always looking for more to regularly play with us in HotS! =D

Karsticles#1474
 

brian!

Member
What's the verdict so far on:
Spidey
Hulk
Cap
Iron man
Thor
X

X looks pretty good to my untrained eye

I dunno if anyone tested this, but hulk has an unblockable right? Isnt that potentially broken in this game (ie. dante does super, tags in hulk who does the unblockable)?

Yeah. A lot of Fighting Game GAF also plays Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm.

Always looking for more to regularly play with us in HotS! =D

Fiending for fighters of the storm
 

Forward

Member
Have you seen KBR play Marvel 3 without drones to cover his ass? The dude gets hit by everything. Zero patience and pretty weak neutral skills. He is going to have to do a lot of relearning in MvCi, and I wouldn't trust his judgment on anything this early.

In fact, the only person I would listen to about early meta facts is Viscant. Everyone else has a middling to poor track record.

And yet he won Evo. And placed top 8... how many times in Evo, and other majors? More times than I care to Google-Fu, is how many.

But go do on. Clearly it is the Drones.


How many times did you place top 8? Did a potmonster steal your Drones?
 

smurfx

get some go again
X looks pretty good to my untrained eye

I dunno if anyone tested this, but hulk has an unblockable right? Isnt that potentially broken in this game (ie. dante does super, tags in hulk who does the unblockable)?
that punch isn't unblockable but it is an overhead. maybe it was unblockable in older versions but they might of taken it out. i'm assuming it was since lots of players thought it was.
 

Village

Member
Yeah. A lot of Fighting Game GAF also plays Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm.

Always looking for more to regularly play with us in HotS! =D

Karsticles#1474

I wanted to try hots, but mobas confuse me, and I only wanna play one guy. There's this bull guy with a guatar

I just wanna play that guy
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
ChrisG doesnt have Marvel but mscupcakes does

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brian!

Member
that punch isn't unblockable but it is an overhead. maybe he it was unblockable in older versions but they might of taken it out. i'm assuming it was since lots of players thought it was.

Oh i see, thx for the answer. Was trying to wrap my mind around that potential bs lol
 

Dahbomb

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What's the verdict so far on:
Spidey
Hulk
Cap
Iron man
Thor
X
Not enough data on Spider Man.

Hulk is better in some ways, worse in others. Not being able to TOD reliably is going to hurt him in th is game.

Cap is weird in this game but he has decent combos. Weird angle on his shields, counter is nice.

Iron Man is legit. Good mobility, damage, combos, normals. Nor many tools but he is effective.

Thor is better in this game than in Marvel 3. Seems mostly fine but is probably outclassed by the other air dashers.

X is good.


Right now the best characters look to be Captain Marvel, Ultron, Zero with Dorm being really good as a support. It's hard to go wrong with these characters right now.
 
X looks pretty good to my untrained eye

I dunno if anyone tested this, but hulk has an unblockable right? Isnt that potentially broken in this game (ie. dante does super, tags in hulk who does the unblockable)?



Fiending for fighters of the storm

Not enough data on Spider Man.

Hulk is better in some ways, worse in others. Not being able to TOD reliably is going to hurt him in th is game.

Cap is weird in this game but he has decent combos. Weird angle on his shields, counter is nice.

Iron Man is legit. Good mobility, damage, combos, normals. Nor many tools but he is effective.

Thor is better in this game than in Marvel 3. Seems mostly fine but is probably outclassed by the other air dashers.

X is good.


Right now the best characters look to be Captain Marvel, Ultron, Zero with Dorm being really good as a support. It's hard to go wrong with these characters right now.
Thanks guys!
 

I-hate-u

Member
Not enough data on Spider Man.

Hulk is better in some ways, worse in others. Not being able to TOD reliably is going to hurt him in th is game.

Cap is weird in this game but he has decent combos. Weird angle on his shields, counter is nice.

Iron Man is legit. Good mobility, damage, combos, normals. Nor many tools but he is effective.

Thor is better in this game than in Marvel 3. Seems mostly fine but is probably outclassed by the other air dashers.

X is good.


Right now the best characters look to be Captain Marvel, Ultron, Zero with Dorm being really good as a support. It's hard to go wrong with these characters right now.

How about that Dante?
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Wait so just to double check, this is an overhead and not an unblockable? https://j.gifs.com/wjJxgr.gif

yes, peeps were blocking it fully charged on streams. I assume it does more dmg charged tho. Lot's of charge moves this time around, kinda neat (and I dont mean chrge as in hold back 2 seconds sonic boom charge)
 

Dahbomb

Member
How about that Dante?
I think long term he will probably end up being better but he is a different character in how he works. I think losing Hysterics and Reverb into Fireworks is a big deal (as is losing somr of the mechanics on bold cancel) but he has stuff like better combos/damage, air shot gun, air gun shots and his Cerberus moves have a really powerful Freeze now. Just like last time it will be a while until people become good with Dante.

One thing that helps Dante a lot for now is that there are very few Wolverine style hyper rushdown characters in the game right now. Dante not having as many bad match ups would help him a lot.

And of course every one of Dante's special moves is a potential tag move. Acid Raid, Million Carats, Jet Stream into Twister, Reverb into Jam Session, Million Stab, Muktilock, Air Play etc. At the minimum he should be a great support character again especially with Million Dollar Guns.
 
X looks pretty good to my untrained eye

I dunno if anyone tested this, but hulk has an unblockable right? Isnt that potentially broken in this game (ie. dante does super, tags in hulk who does the unblockable)?

Fiending for fighters of the storm
I heard reports that blockstun makes you unblockable-immune, but I haven't seen it myself. There might be Hulk unblockable setups, but then they would have to be about perfectly timing the hit when blockstun ends.

Edit: Or maybe none of the above matters!

I also want Blizzard and Riot to get into fighting games. They will force Capcom to up their game or fall apart.

And yet he won Evo. And placed top 8... how many times in Evo, and other majors? More times than I care to Google-Fu, is how many.

But go do on. Clearly it is the Drones.


How many times did you place top 8? Did a potmonster steal your Drones?
Clearly you're a simple person, but get this straight: I'm not saying KBR isn't a good or even great player. I'm not saying drones are what won him his matches. I'm not saying I'm as good as KBR. None of those things were said. Now go back and do your best to read the sentences I wrote again, and maybe you will be able to understand them now that I gave you some hints.

I wanted to try hots, but mobas confuse me, and I only wanna play one guy. There's this bull guy with a guatar

I just wanna play that guy

HotS is a super casual MOBA. It's why I play it. I used to play DotA back when I was serious about gaming, but I played it about 6 months ago and I got destroyed.

You can play just one guy and enjoy the game just fine. But if you like him, you'll probably branch out and want to play other characters eventually. ;)
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Bomb you still going on dat Thor (at least to start of with)?
 

JeTmAn81

Member
Can't believe the Gill and Soul information was actually taken seriously.

"Well, yeah he can resurrect himself.

but you know one of the Soul Stone's basic properties? Yeah, that's not going to work with him"

haha, come on now. So the soul stone would be completely useless on Gill teams? I don't buy it.

Dunno, it seemed like there were things in the back of my mind from other games that made that make sense. Like how Phoenix on your team functioned as a de facto "you can't use meter" rule, or how she was the only character that could be resurrected.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Hell no... Ghost Rider and someone else who is easy to play. I kinda like Gammorah and Nemesis too in this.

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also stop stealing my teams. also stop adding Hs to names.
 

Futaleufu

Member
No one can follow up on their lvl3 hypers im their game (especially those with comand grab hypers) and they proved on Bum's stream that you can get a combo off of his command throw (L version) if you tag with it.

KBR salty that neither Haggar nor Hulk can TOD off of any hit or grab anymore.

Big, slow characters in the Marvel series need all the help they can get.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Big, slow characters in the Marvel series need all the help they can get.
Big slow characters are designed to beat rushdown play. Because of lack of chip and meter gain in neutral, that helps slow big body characters A TON.

Like Haggar still has Lariat and Hulk/Nemesis have armor. They beat rushdown and get beat by zoning. And this game is going to be more about rushdown as thats where people will get a lot of their damage from.
 
Dunno, it seemed like there were things in the back of my mind from other games that made that make sense. Like how Phoenix on your team functioned as a de facto "you can't use meter" rule, or how she was the only character that could be resurrected.

I mean, its not like with Phoenix your meter bar was rendered useless like it would be if Gill died twice or whatever, and you had one character left with enough Soul meter for a storm....that would do nothing.
 

shaowebb

Member
You know who should be in this fucking game

Saki

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I don't care if she's from some weird-ass obscure Japanese-only arcade trivia dating game, she's cool and she was fun as hell in TvC

No one ever says anything about Saki

Ah sure they say things about her. They say "GRENADES! OH GOD GRENADES EVERYWHERE!" lol
She was super fun tossin those everywhere and getting an unblockable bullet charge after super to use in combos or setups. Her plus reality stone's homing fireball would be incredible.
 
Karst, how you liking Dorm?
I haven't seen any recordings of his new moves, but Dahbomb told me there's quite a bit to them.

Here are my feelings about Dormammu without having touched the game beyond the demo:
Dormammu is clearly triple the character he was in UMvC3. He can wavedash, combo off of Purification, 0D3C is now godlike, 0D2C can OTG, 3D0C reaches superjump height, he can airdash cancel his aerials for more pressure, he has combos where he can store 3 charges mid-combo for massive damage output and flexibility, he has some of the best reset potential in the game, everything combos into everything (Flame Carpet is nuts), he can cancel specials into Dark Spells, and he has a bunch of new moves we haven't even explored yet.

So Dormammu is a fucking monster. Meanwhile, Haggar got a barrel and Chris has to reload his gun. There has to be a catch, right? My hunch is that there is a catch, and that Dormammu needed a lot of help to stay relevant in MvCi. In UMvC3, Dormammu had 3 tools that let him play the game that made him a high tier character: his teleport, Flame Carpet, and Hidden Missiles. Hidden Missiles is gone. Flame Carpet is better than ever. What about his teleport, the most essential part of this ensemble? Well, in UMvC3 Dormammu would teleport once someone took to the air. Once airborn, the opposing player was on a fixed trajectory that prevented any kind of teleport punish, and you used their landing period as a small window to gain frame advantage and re-establish control. That isn't going to work in MvCi.

In MvCi, you are never stuck doing any action. If someone superjumps toward Dormammu, and Dormammu teleports behind that player, you aren't safe! As soon as the teleport animation begins, your opponent can tag, and that tag means that he/she is right back on Dormammu's ass - you get 0 seconds to breathe. In fact, depending on how the frame data bears out, Dormammu's teleport might even be punishable on reaction or on read.

As a result, Dormammu's playstyle, I think, won't be the same. He won't be able to run away and frustrate people. He will be more like a fortress that spaces people out and bombards them with projectiles. A much less interesting character, actually, and something that has given me pause in purchasing the game. This also helps us understand why Dormammu got so many buffs: if he can't run away, then he can't charge Dark Spells. So instead they let Dormammu cancel Dark Hole and Purification to charge them. Who cares about Purification if they eventually get in on you anyway and there's no way to run away? Well, now Dormammu can combo off of Purification.

That's just my hunch on how I think it will all play out in practice. But notice that FChamp, when he plays Dormammu, isn't running away or teleporting away at all. He's just trying to space out the neutral. The "M Teleport" from the previous game is only being used as a mixup off of Dark Matter. A cynical part of me is actually worried that he won't be able to keep up in his current state.

Obviously his new voice actor is a downgrade, but graphically he looks good still. I even like his level 3 a little more this time around. I hate that his combos are so complex now. I hate labbing combos. -_- One of the best things about UMvC3 Dormammu was that, even at the end of the game's life, he was ABCing his way to victory - lol.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
that Ultron color looks like white Guardians Ironman variant from MH

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Dahbomb

Member
If Dormammu is "irrelevant" in this game then I will never talk Marvel theory ever again.

If Dorm is bad in this game then I shudder to think what a good character in this game is.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
No matter how many times I see this I can't help but laugh. How are characters like Nemesis and Hagger supposed to deal with it?

https://clips.twitch.tv/OriginalSweetYakinikuUWot

He looks good but I don't know how good. Certainly looks hard to block when paired with a pinning move.

Yeah but that can be said about a lot of characters. Hope you manage to dig into the game at launch, even if I imagine you to be a busy man these days :p
 

I-hate-u

Member
I think long term he will probably end up being better but he is a different character in how he works. I think losing Hysterics and Reverb into Fireworks is a big deal (as is losing somr of the mechanics on bold cancel) but he has stuff like better combos/damage, air shot gun, air gun shots and his Cerberus moves have a really powerful Freeze now. Just like last time it will be a while until people become good with Dante.

One thing that helps Dante a lot for now is that there are very few Wolverine style hyper rushdown characters in the game right now. Dante not having as many bad match ups would help him a lot.

And of course every one of Dante's special moves is a potential tag move. Acid Raid, Million Carats, Jet Stream into Twister, Reverb into Jam Session, Million Stab, Muktilock, Air Play etc. At the minimum he should be a great support character again especially with Million Dollar Guns.

So he loses his safe poke, but his other special moves are not trash like before. Hmmm, it's hard to tell. He was nerfed hard when he lost his light attack in ultimate. l hope his normals are good in this one .

Thanks.
 

Dahbomb

Member
I am not going to have much time to play this game, most of it will be spent watching videos at work. Then maybe try something in lab when I get home.

I am like Kbrad where I don't even want to play against a human being until like a month after the game is out.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Wong and Marn are fighting each other on Wong stream.

they are still playing it like Marvel 3, hardly any tags.

Justin just used Chun's air super as a escape because she actually does the thrust kick even if she doesnt connect (I thought it was part of the cinematic), he flew all the way to the other side of the screen

we are also seeing a lot more power stone used by the pros.
 

smurfx

get some go again
No matter how many times I see this I can't help but laugh. How are characters like Nemesis and Hagger supposed to deal with it?

https://clips.twitch.tv/OriginalSweetYakinikuUWot



Yeah but that can be said about a lot of characters. Hope you manage to dig into the game at launch, even if I imagine you to be a busy man these days :p
man i seriously hope hawkeye was just hit out of piercing bolt but it definitely looks like handangeki ate it. i don't even know what to say to that if hawkeye also lost its original functionality.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
these Marn X combos tho!

Justin just made a comeback with 1 character vs 2 full chars lol. Dat Wong factor
 
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