Support NeoGAF

[Air Zombie Meat]

Isn’t ND run by some pretty liberal people though? Like Druckman? Obviously there are rules and guidelines there where it’s not tolerated. I find it really interesting that people are automatically ready to dogpile while forgetting innocent until proven guilty, and completely ruling out even a slight chance of malicious intent.

Do we really believe that ND would just try to bury this?

Liberals are just as capable of this kind of thing as everyone else. Not saying they're guilty but words don't always match up to actions. Some of the recent people outed have been outspoken liberals.

 

[GHG]

I'm not angling towards anything. I'm giving the alleged victim the benefit of the doubt and believe that it is quite possible that if what he says is true the company would not hesitate to cover it up.

You literally said "it happens a lot" in relation to evidence being destroyed. For you to make a statement like this I take it you must have a lot of experience with this sort of thing?

There is no reason to not believe the victim but there is also no reason to go balls deep in wacky conspiracies that would require large numbers of people to be involved in order to pull it off successfully.

Are you saying that evidence has never been destroyed or altered in the wake of serious accusations against an organisation or business? Its only in recent years that a small proportion of big cover ups have been uncovered.

By the way, I'm not saying this is what's happened here, merely that it has happened in the past and is still going on.

Not at all, there are always fringe cases. However, purging evidence is the most unlikely scenario in this kind of situation. In order to do that you would need to involve people outside of HR and the management who were involved in the decision to dismiss him (for a start you would then need to start involving IT). It would also need to be a huge issue that already implicates everybody in order to get that many people on board without risk of them speaking out.

It's a huge reach to say "they only say there's no evidence because they deleted it hur hur". There are other reasons that are much more simple than that which could have led to them having no evidence about this incident.

 

[Ferr986]

Isn’t ND run by some pretty liberal people though? Like Druckman? Obviously there are rules and guidelines there where it’s not tolerated. I find it really interesting that people are automatically ready to dogpile while forgetting innocent until proven guilty, and completely ruling out even a slight chance of malicious intent.

Do we really believe that ND would just try to bury this?

I don't think what does it matter being liberal or not, especially talking about sexual harassment.

And I don't know if ND would try to bury this or not, but them being ND means nothing compared to other devs.

 

[The Wart]

Nope. Literally not what they said. They said we have no evidence of receipt of a complaint. That's the beginning and end of what they said. And his story merely says "HR got involved."

Both of these things can be true - it seems highly likely he never made a formal complaint.

Except they also state "no evidence" as the final world and indicate no interest in performing any kind of actual investigation as to whether there were, e.g., allegations that were not registered as formal complaints due to malice, incompetence, whatever. And no, I don't think they could have performed a meaningful investigation in the time since the allegations surfaced. Their response is generic PR pablum.

Isn't ND run by some pretty liberal people though? Like Druckman? Obviously there are rules and guidelines there where it's not tolerated. I find it really interesting that people are automatically ready to dogpile while forgetting innocent until proven guilty, and completely ruling out even a slight chance of malicious intent.

Do we really believe that ND would just try to bury this?

Harvey Weinstein is also very liberal people. Belonging to a group has very little to do with living by the stated ideals of that group, just like with every Christian conservative republican who turns out to be gay and/or a serial cheater.

 

[TheModestGun]

Maybe ND wouldn't but Sony would, and if it's Sony HR he reach out to then it's in their hands.

Contacting Sony HR makes little to no sense. Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, but they are their own separate entity when it comes to hiring, HR and all of the usual corporate functions. Contacting a parent company's HR is pretty atypical and not how normal business's usually work.

I used work for a billion dollar AV company that's owned by Goldman Sachs. When there were issues we would call PSAV HR, not Goldman Sachs.

 

[Sad Affleck]

You literally said "it happens a lot" in relation to evidence being destroyed. For you to make a statement like this I take it you must have a lot of experience with this sort of thing?

Indeed I do, I am a lawyer. Covering up incidents like this through not reporting them or tampering with documents is not rare at all.

 

[DangerMouse]

Many of you in this thread are being absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable.


Here are the only pieces of information we have:
1) David Ballard makes allegation of sexual harassment on his public twitter account

2) ND releases statement that there is no evidence they could find regarding any harassment complaint being made.


Seems a perfect situation for a wait and see approach, to see if more evidence is uncovered.

Instead, this thread is filled with:
-Assumption of guilt for Sony and ND
-Claims of a huge conspiracy and coverup, including documents being destroyed by HR
- Talk about boycotting ND and Sony
- Outrage over ND using David’s name in their statement despite him making the allegation on his public twitter account. Nearly all of us knew who was making the allegation before ND ever released a statement, but suddenly here’s an outrage they used his name?

And of course the completely unfair and unreasonable assumption that since the Weinstein issue is prevalent right now, suddenly every accusation made right now is assumed true.



I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it did. I’m saying no one here has ANY clue what did or didn’t happen, and should probably not be commenting with such strong opinions

Well said.

 

[ByWatterson]

Except they also state "no evidence" as the final world and indicate no interest in performing any kind of actual investigation as to whether there were, e.g., allegations that were not registered as formal complaints due to malice, incompetence, whatever.

How can they? They have no record of complaint from the accuser, and no identification of the accused!

If they just start investigating random employees..... I feel like many in this thread are allergic to understanding labor law, defamation, and the practical consequences of clearly delineated harassment policies.

 

[silva1991]

Many of you in this thread are being absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable.


Here are the only pieces of information we have:
1) David Ballard makes allegation of sexual harassment on his public twitter account

2) ND releases statement that there is no evidence they could find regarding any harassment complaint being made.


Seems a perfect situation for a wait and see approach, to see if more evidence is uncovered.

Instead, this thread is filled with:
-Assumption of guilt for Sony and ND
-Claims of a huge conspiracy and coverup, including documents being destroyed by HR
- Talk about boycotting ND and Sony
- Outrage over ND using David’s name in their statement despite him making the allegation on his public twitter account. Nearly all of us knew who was making the allegation before ND ever released a statement, but suddenly here’s an outrage they used his name?

And of course the completely unfair and unreasonable assumption that since the Weinstein issue is prevalent right now, suddenly every accusation made right now is assumed true.



I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it did. I’m saying no one here has ANY clue what did or didn’t happen, and should probably not be commenting with such strong opinions

Pretty much.

But for some it's more fun to accept it the claims as the absolute truth whether there are evidences or not.

 

[GHG]

Indeed I do, I am a lawyer. Covering up incidents like this through not reporting them or tampering with documents is not rare at all.

Tell me more.

Because in an age where software is responsible for tracking records and changes to those records you'd need to find a number of cross-discipline professionals who would be willing to put their necks on the line in order to pull off something like this without it biting them in the arse.

Not reporting them is one thing but tampering/purging is a whole different kettle of fish.

 

[Alienfan]

Nope. Literally not what they said. They said we have no evidence of receipt of a complaint. That's the beginning and end of what they said. And his story merely says "HR got involved."

Both of these things can be true - it seems highly likely he never made a formal complaint.

You don't come out and make a public statement saying "we have no evidence" a day after the accusation. You should be looking into it and hell of a lot more than that before making a statement, including having extensive conversations with the victim. This statement just reads as a quick way to cover their ass and push the spotlight back onto the victim. Already half this thread are now assuming he's lying. In comparison, Polygon handled the Nick Robinson thing much better.

 

[ElephantShell]

Contacting Sony HR makes little to no sense. Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, but they are their own separate entity when it comes to hiring, HR and all of the usual corporate functions. Contacting a parent company's HR is pretty atypical and not how normal business's usually work.

I used work for a billion dollar AV company that's owned by Goldman Sachs. When there were issues we would call PSAV HR, not Goldman Sachs.

I was just going off Ballard's tweet that said "Sony Playstation HR became involved"

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Tell me more.

Because in an age where software is responsible for tracking records and changes to those records you'd need to find a number of cross-discipline professionals involved who would be willing to put their necks on the line in order to pull off something like this without it biting them in the arse.

Not reporting them is one thing but tampering/purging is a whole different kettle of fish.

I'm gonna go with he assumes they never documented it in the first place. Which is likely if he said it in passing and did not request to file a formal complaint. Even then, there's nothing nefarious about not investigating a complaint that was not made.

As far as the timeline goes, it looks like he was already going to get fired. Mental breakdowns at work are serious matters that get hr involved rather quickly

 

[GHG]

I was just going off Ballard's tweet that said "Sony Playstation HR became involved"

Naughty dog are unlikely to have a huge in-house HR team, it will most likely be skeletal staff for support functions (HR, accounting, etc). There will then be something like a "central services" team at Sony that they can then call on when they need them for various things.

It's one of the benefits of being a subsidiary under a larger umbrella.

I'm gonna go with he assumes they never documented it in the first place. Which is likely if he said it in passing and did not request to file a formal complaint. Even then, there's nothing nefarious about not investigating a complaint that was not made.

As far as the timeline goes, it looks like he was already going to get fired. Mental breakdowns at work are serious matters that get hr involved rather quickly

Yep agreed. I've said as much in previous posts. If he didn't email anybody about this then there'll be no record of it. Based on his tweets he only spoke out about it when he was discussing his mental breakdown with HR, by which point it's likely the decision to dismiss him had already been made.

 

[big_erk]

Tell me more.

Because in an age where software is responsible for tracking records and changes to those records you'd need to find a number of cross-discipline professionals who would be willing to put their necks on the line in order to pull off something like this without it biting them in the arse.

Not reporting them is one thing but tampering/purging is a whole different kettle of fish.

This is what I'm thinking. Especially if there was an e-mail trail, you run the risk of the accuser having archived the e-mails not to mention most companies have to have off site backups of e-mail systems that aren't easily purged.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You don't come out and make a public statement saying "we have no evidence" a day after the accusation. You should be looking into it and hell of a lot more than that before making a statement, including having extensive conversations with the victim. This statement just reads as a quick way to cover their ass and push the spotlight back onto the victim. Already half this thread are now assuming he's lying. In comparison, Polygon handled the Nick Robinson thing much better.

Nick Robinson was still their employee. Most likely Sony/ND gave these kinds of HR issues documented in a data base. It likely takes seconds for them to search. If they there's nothing there, what more do you want them to do (at least right now)?

That said, the idea that sexual harassment or not, he might have been on the outs anyway due to a "mental breakdown" seems kind of shitty as well.

 

[legacyzero]

Many of you in this thread are being absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable.


Here are the only pieces of information we have:
1) David Ballard makes allegation of sexual harassment on his public twitter account

2) ND releases statement that there is no evidence they could find regarding any harassment complaint being made.


Seems a perfect situation for a wait and see approach, to see if more evidence is uncovered.

Instead, this thread is filled with:
-Assumption of guilt for Sony and ND
-Claims of a huge conspiracy and coverup, including documents being destroyed by HR
- Talk about boycotting ND and Sony
- Outrage over ND using David’s name in their statement despite him making the allegation on his public twitter account. Nearly all of us knew who was making the allegation before ND ever released a statement, but suddenly here’s an outrage they used his name?

And of course the completely unfair and unreasonable assumption that since the Weinstein issue is prevalent right now, suddenly every accusation made right now is assumed true.



I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it did. I’m saying no one here has ANY clue what did or didn’t happen, and should probably not be commenting with such strong opinions

100% this.

Too much assumption anytime something like this comes out. We all have to take a step back and let the process run. Too many people hittin the gas, and automatically siding with the accuser, and pretending that they don’t have the burden of proof in this situation, but then being angry with ND and Sony when they take a defensive stance, when the burden of proof wasn’t given.

This whole thing sucks for everyone, surely. And it’s got to be hell having to provide that proof as the accuser. But when you jump out with an accusation like that, you gotta be ready to got to war with these large companies. It’s bullshit, but it’s the way of it

 

[Feorax]

You don't come out and make a public statement saying "we have no evidence" a day after the accusation. You should be looking into it and hell of a lot more than that before making a statement, including having extensive conversations with the victim. This statement just reads as a quick way to cover their ass and push the spotlight back onto the victim. Already half this thread are now assuming he's lying. In comparison, Polygon handled the Nick Robinson thing much better.

Why do you keep saying this?! Any contact between ND and the victim at this stage massively compromises any potential investigation. This has been explained severe times in this thread already.

Also, people saying evidence is required does not mean they think he is lying. That's just the fundamentals of how the justice system works in any country.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Many of you in this thread are being absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable.


Here are the only pieces of information we have:
1) David Ballard makes allegation of sexual harassment on his public twitter account

2) ND releases statement that there is no evidence they could find regarding any harassment complaint being made.


Seems a perfect situation for a wait and see approach, to see if more evidence is uncovered.

Instead, this thread is filled with:
-Assumption of guilt for Sony and ND
-Claims of a huge conspiracy and coverup, including documents being destroyed by HR
- Talk about boycotting ND and Sony
- Outrage over ND using David’s name in their statement despite him making the allegation on his public twitter account. Nearly all of us knew who was making the allegation before ND ever released a statement, but suddenly here’s an outrage they used his name?

And of course the completely unfair and unreasonable assumption that since the Weinstein issue is prevalent right now, suddenly every accusation made right now is assumed true.



I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it did. I’m saying no one here has ANY clue what did or didn’t happen, and should probably not be commenting with such strong opinions

This. Well said.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Do companies actually expect us to believe the “we’ve investigated ourselves and have found nothing wrong” bit? We need more proof than that.

That's not what is being said, they are saying there is no record of it essentially. Did he ever actually report these problems? Did he go and file official complaints with HR?

 

[danthefan]

You don't come out and make a public statement saying "we have no evidence" a day after the accusation. You should be looking into it and hell of a lot more than that before making a statement, including having extensive conversations with the victim. This statement just reads as a quick way to cover their ass and push the spotlight back onto the victim. Already half this thread are now assuming he's lying. In comparison, Polygon handled the Nick Robinson thing much better.

They almost certainly can't/shouldn't talk to the alleged victim. If they do it'll be through lawyers. Why don't you come out an make a public statement a day later? Sounds like you're just making all this up as you go along.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Many of you in this thread are being absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable.


Here are the only pieces of information we have:
1) David Ballard makes allegation of sexual harassment on his public twitter account

2) ND releases statement that there is no evidence they could find regarding any harassment complaint being made.


Seems a perfect situation for a wait and see approach, to see if more evidence is uncovered.

Instead, this thread is filled with:
-Assumption of guilt for Sony and ND
-Claims of a huge conspiracy and coverup, including documents being destroyed by HR
- Talk about boycotting ND and Sony
- Outrage over ND using David’s name in their statement despite him making the allegation on his public twitter account. Nearly all of us knew who was making the allegation before ND ever released a statement, but suddenly here’s an outrage they used his name?

And of course the completely unfair and unreasonable assumption that since the Weinstein issue is prevalent right now, suddenly every accusation made right now is assumed true.



I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it did. I’m saying no one here has ANY clue what did or didn’t happen, and should probably not be commenting with such strong opinions

I think it's far more worrying how ready people are to cast suspicion on David's claims and to jump to a company's defense. It's true that nobody here knows what happened but trying to paint this as anything but a situation that's incredibly lopsided in Sony's favour is incredibly disingenuous.

The posts calling others out for boycotting the company are especially baffling.

 

[gamerMan]

How can they? They have no record of complaint from the accuser, and no identification of the accused!

If they just start investigating random employees..... I feel like many in this thread are allergic to understanding labor law, defamation, and the practical consequences of clearly delineated harassment policies.

Can't they at least look at the Environmental Artist lead that David was under instead of "random" employees.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I think any e-detective claiming they know the truth one way or the other is full of it.

 

[Fisty]

Yeah didn't he say they gave him $20k? Pretty hard to hide that on the books, something's not adding up. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds like there was no hush money at least

 

[The Wart]

How can they? They have no record of complaint from the accuser, and no identification of the accused!

If they just start investigating random employees..... I feel like many in this thread are allergic to understanding labor law, defamation, and the practical consequences of clearly delineated harassment policies.

Yeah clearly it is completely impossible to interview this guy's supervisor, others who may have worked with him, or HR people who may have heard of such an allegation. Please.

 

[xxracerxx]

Yeah didn't he say they gave him $20k? Pretty hard to hide that on the books, something's not adding up. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds like there was no hush money at least

No, he was offered $20K. And that could have been part of a severance package.

 

[ByWatterson]

Can't they at least look at the Environmental Artist lead that David was under instead of "random" employees.

And implicitly accuse him/her of harassment, make him/her feel threatened, all without evidence or a formal complaint?

No. No, they can't. I said it before, we're in lawyer world now. Investigating employees without proper impetus is a huge no-no.

 

[Feorax]

I think it's far more worrying how ready people are to cast suspicion on David's claims and to jump to a company's defense. It's true that nobody here knows what happened but trying to paint this as anything but a situation that's incredibly lopsided in Sony's favour is incredibly disingenuous.

The posts calling others out for boycotting the company are especially baffling.

Saying evidence is required for this to go any further is not casting any doubt on David's claims, it's stating eh absolute basics of how the justice system works.

Also, if your willing to boycott Sony/ND for this, then I hope you're willing to boycott EA, Activision, Microsoft, Nintendo, and pretty much all Hollywood studios and record labels, because this shit is absolutely everywhere in the entertainment industry.

 

[Fiendcode]

That is all true, but if you suffer from mental breakdowns, in his mind he probably already feel like the worst has happen

I just don’t see much upside here for him unless the allegations are true. And even if true it’s still incredibly risky.

 

[danthefan]

Saying evidence is required for this to go any further is not casting any doubt on David's claims, it's stating eh absolute basics of how the justice system works.

Also, if your willing to boycott Sony/ND for this, then I hope you're willing to boycott EA, Activision, Microsoft, Nintendo, and pretty much all Hollywood studios and record labels, because this shit is absolutely everywhere in the entertainment industry.

It's probably prevalent in just about every industry under the sun.

 

[s_mirage]

Pretty much.

But for some it's more fun to accept it the claims as the absolute truth whether there are evidences or not.

And on the flip side it seems that some people are overly eager to believe that accusations against their favourite developers/publishers must be lies. I just want to see the claims treated with the respect that all allegations of harassment should be treated with, and fully investigated.

 

[Alucrid]

Saying evidence is required for this to go any further is not casting any doubt on David's claims, it's stating eh absolute basics of how the justice system works.

Also, if your willing to boycott Sony/ND for this, then I hope you're willing to boycott EA, Activision, Microsoft, Nintendo, and pretty much all Hollywood studios and record labels, because this shit is absolutely everywhere in the entertainment industry.

why do you keep saying "justice system"? nowhere does it say that either side is taking the other to court.

 

[ByWatterson]

It's probably prevalent in just about every industry under the sun.

Yup. In addition to being a lawyer, I also teach. In both industry, parity exists between male and female numbers. Nevertheless, harassment is rampant in both.

Question here isn't whether harassment occurs (the answer is yes), but whether employees regularly suffer retaliation (probably also yes).

 

[potatohead]

Riiiiiight. Yet multiple other people have said the same thing in response to David. They're lying, right?

You don't know for certain. None of us do.
It
We need to find out more. It is troubling but it is just as bad to jump the gun as to not do anything.

Very serious allegations that require the most thorough attention not simple reactionary retribution.

 

[Quadraphonic]

Saying evidence is required for this to go any further is not casting any doubt on David's claims, it's stating eh absolute basics of how the justice system works.

Also, if your willing to boycott Sony/ND for this, then I hope you're willing to boycott EA, Activision, Microsoft, Nintendo, and pretty much all Hollywood studios and record labels, because this shit is absolutely everywhere in the entertainment industry.

The boycott steams from the recent handling of Weinstein of his own company and Andy Signore of his own company.

Because those claims went to the top, there were very few options about what to do.

In this case, it's not the head of the company that was guilty of the act, but because we've had a recent string of assailants who were, people aren't understanding the reasoning behind those decisions.

 

[Sad Affleck]

Tell me more.

People in power believe they can get away with anything and the people under them have much to lose if they don't play ball. People in power know when to apply pressure, how to apply it and who to apply it to. A professional who desperately wants to hold on to his position may be quite susceptible to a higher-up urging him to keep something 'in the family' so as to not 'hurt the company'. This is why victims have to resort to Twitter to make themselves heard.

 

[Feorax]

why do you keep saying "justice system"? nowhere does it say that either side is taking the other to court.

Ok, even if it doesn't go that far, evidence is still required before a person can be implicated in a sexual harassment case.

As a company, if you have no record of a formal complaint being made, why would you start pulling in and potentially upsetting your current employees without any evidence?

 

[Par Score]

So many people in here who seem to have learned nothing from the Nick Robinson situation.

Still asking for receipts, still acting like we're in a court of law, still disinclined to take allegations of sexual misconduct seriously.

I hope that ND's hasty statement is the beginning of a deeper and fuller investigation, rather than the end of it.

As a company, if you have no record of a formal complaint being made, why would you start pulling in and potentially upsetting your current employees without any evidence?

They didn't say they "have no record of a formal complaint being made", they said they "have not found any evidence of having received allegations".

Those are two different things.

 

[Champion]

Crazy how people are quick to choose sides in situations like this with little to no evidence being presented. But I guess some of us are more invested than others.

 

[Feorax]

So many people in here who seem to have learned nothing from the Nick Robinson situation.

Still asking for receipts, still acting like we're in a court of law, still disinclined to take allegations of sexual misconduct seriously.

I hope that ND's hasty statement is the beginning of a deeper and fuller investigation, rather than the end of it.

So so we just lynch anyone an allegation is made against?

 

[Glass Rebel]

Saying evidence is required for this to go any further is not casting any doubt on David's claims, it's stating eh absolute basics of how the justice system works.

Also, if your willing to boycott Sony/ND for this, then I hope you're willing to boycott EA, Activision, Microsoft, Nintendo, and pretty much all Hollywood studios and record labels, because this shit is absolutely everywhere in the entertainment industry.

I mean, David isn't going through the justice system with this. He posted it publically for reasons that are his alone. Probably because it's incredibly difficult to prove sexual harrassment and it's even more difficult to go to a court of law against a multi-million dollar company. His only hope is that other people speak up and someone in power does something about this shit.

I also find your two statements a bit weird side by side. You recognize that this shit is everywhere but last time I checked we're not getting sexual harrassment claims against every company. Don't you think it's probably because a lot of people find themselves in a similar situation like David?

 

[Alucrid]

So so we just lynch anyone an allegation is made against?

who is being "lynch(ed)" here?

 

[potatohead]

So many people in here who seem to have learned nothing from the Nick Robinson situation.

Still asking for receipts, still acting like we're in a court of law, still disinclined to take allegations of sexual misconduct seriously.

I hope that ND's hasty statement is the beginning of a deeper and fuller investigation, rather than the end of it.

There is literally no one doing that

People are asking for just more information

And you really aren't appreciating that it is also common for people to raise harassment claims falsely for personal benefits

I'm not saying that is happening here and we do need more information but there was a time my own dad was accused by a young woman and there was no witness or evidence and the only reason he and my family escaped that episode is that he was known to always be professional in his workplace and trusted by many other men and women

There is no perfect answer and evidence is often hard to come by in these situations and many crimes in general but the assumption of guilt is equally as bad as ignoring the complaint

 

[JayBabay]

Many of you in this thread are being absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable.


Here are the only pieces of information we have:
1) David Ballard makes allegation of sexual harassment on his public twitter account

2) ND releases statement that there is no evidence they could find regarding any harassment complaint being made.


Seems a perfect situation for a wait and see approach, to see if more evidence is uncovered.

Instead, this thread is filled with:
-Assumption of guilt for Sony and ND
-Claims of a huge conspiracy and coverup, including documents being destroyed by HR
- Talk about boycotting ND and Sony
- Outrage over ND using David’s name in their statement despite him making the allegation on his public twitter account. Nearly all of us knew who was making the allegation before ND ever released a statement, but suddenly here’s an outrage they used his name?

And of course the completely unfair and unreasonable assumption that since the Weinstein issue is prevalent right now, suddenly every accusation made right now is assumed true.



I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not saying it did. I’m saying no one here has ANY clue what did or didn’t happen, and should probably not be commenting with such strong opinions

A very rational take on this situation.

 

[danthefan]

So many people in here who seem to have learned nothing from the Nick Robinson situation.

Still asking for receipts, still acting like we're in a court of law, still disinclined to take allegations of sexual misconduct seriously.

I hope that ND's hasty statement is the beginning of a deeper and fuller investigation, rather than the end of it.

So in your view you assume ND/the individual are guilty and work from there? What has Nick Robinson got to do with this?

 

[Feorax]

who is being "lynch(ed)" here?

Whoever is accused of sexual harassment according to the post I quoted (figure of speech of course).

The idea that you're not taking sexual aharrasment charges seriously if you want some sort of evidence is laughable. If someone accused me of that I'd damn sure want some proof.

 

[Par Score]

So so we just lynch anyone an allegation is made against?

I don't believe our "justice system" currently includes lynching, but then you seem to be the expert on that.

There is literally no one doing that

There are literally pages of people doing that.

And you really aren't appreciating that it is also common for people to raise harassment claims falsely for personal benefits

Oh really? It's "common" is it? I'm sure you have some stats to back that up.

Research I've seen puts the number of "false allegations" of sexual harassment in the low single digit percentages. But maybe you have some more recent studies that show how "common" it is?

What has Nick Robinson got to do with this?

The threads on that situation basically looked exactly like the threads on this one.

 

[leehom]

They can both be telling the truth.

Whoever was in HR at both companies could very easily of decided not to document it. Both Sony and Naughty Dog need to continue the investigation and not leave this as the issue being settled. I hope Ballard kept the letter they presented him, although it's quite possible they only verbally informed them of their intent.

So, I also hope that if Ballard can't produce documentation, that people don't immediately discount his story.

I always recommend and tell my employees that if they want to document something, e-mail HR regarding it and forward it to yourself. It's still possible that the company won't create an official report on the incident, but then you'll have proof that the person responsible in the company DID actually receive your complaint, regardless if they did the right thing or not.

Good point, in my previous company we had to CC at least one other person every email we sent.

 

[legacyzero]

So many people in here who seem to have learned nothing from the Nick Robinson situation.

Still asking for receipts, still acting like we're in a court of law, still disinclined to take allegations of sexual misconduct seriously.

I hope that ND's hasty statement is the beginning of a deeper and fuller investigation, rather than the end of it.



They didn't say they "have no record of a formal complaint being made", they said they "have not found any evidence of having received allegations".

Those are two different things.

Lots of corroboration and evidence came out about Nick though. Is this the same?