DiipuSurotu
Banned
The prophecy is just some fake story Sheev made up as part of his plans, objectively there's no "chosen one".
Would have been nice. Probably a bit too progressive for the time though.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi trailer
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The prophecy is just some fake story Sheev made up as part of his plans, objectively there's no "chosen one".
Would have been nice. Probably a bit too progressive for the time though.
"Anakin" was redeemed, in the moment, by proving Luke right about there still being good in him by doing him a solid and killing The Emperor.
"Vader" was left to burn on Endor.
I do agree with JohnnyDBrit that it would be better if the peace gained was long-lasting, but hey Star Wars is gonna Star Wars.
Theodoricos
Member
TLJ needs a short and sweet lightsaber battle in which every single swing actually counts and looks like it could be the killing blow. And for it to be an equally physical and mental battle between the participants. Much like the OT and TFA's lightsaber battles.
More like money is gonna be money.
It's why it's best to watch the OT without even considering the EU, as it was meant to be.
More like money is gonna be money.
It's why it's best to watch the OT without even considering the EU, as it was meant to be.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Small nitpick, but 'immaculate conception' actually refers to Mary having been born free of the original sin to make her a pure vessel for Jesus.
Otherwise, it's a reveal that was added for the PT, but also how his killing Palpatine 'brings balance to the force' has never been quite specified in text and so debated in the decades since, with some thinking 'balance' means no dark siders, or that it's both factions wiped out, or something else. It also begs the question of what's so particularly meant to be a big deal about Palpatine that he requires an outright 'Chosen One' to defeat him, when seemingly, equally big bads are running around both before and after.
Hence I'm tempted by the possibility of treating such things as more an observation of people exceptionally attuned to the force, but the lore itself has nothing to do with it.
Fluffernutter Pancake
Member
Agree 100% --- excellent post. That's why the OT as a standalone saga, with no other lore included, will be the GOAT
This. Loved the duel in TFA. I also want something that is visually distinct and real, like all the best duels had:
-Cloud City
-Throne Room
-Starkiller Base Woods
Nah, make it expansive with crazy choreographed gymnastics. I wanna see a cross-country style of battle, with some witty, questionably self-aware lines like, "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
And high ground. High ground everywhere.
I'm confident the saber fights will live up. They set a high bar with TFA and the characters and their relationships are already established. I don't see Rian dropping that one.
It might be because we got a glimpse of it already, but I'm crazy hyped for that Finn/Phasma fight. Looked absolutely crazy. I'm guessing the saber fights are just as intense.
It might be because we got a glimpse of it already, but I'm crazy hyped for that Finn/Phasma fight. Looked absolutely crazy. I'm guessing the saber fights are just as intense.
What, since when?
And I'm pretty sure George said that getting rid of the dark side was bringing balance to the force, which Anakin did.
Theodoricos
Member
Disagree. Anakin is a bad person.
Who do you think will win? They've both jobbed pretty hard and are both deserving of a solid win.
Lifejumper
Member
I dont think we are getting an lightsaber battle in TLJ tbh.
EDIT: between two force wielders.
EDIT: between two force wielders.
The BTS footage already confirmed it though.
Lifejumper
Member
Yeah i mean between two force wielders.
Haloid1177
Banned
We will 100% get one, if Rey running with her saber is any indication. Will Luke be involved is the much more important question cause I need my fan service Luke moment and I don't care if that's a lame excuse for wanting it or not.
As long as they preface with, "from my point of view" then I'll know they're not speaking from an irrational, maniacal, stance, but rather they're aware that perceptions may differ.
So things will be fine.
Qui Gon wouldve raised Anakin as a maniac grey force user and he could have brought literal balance to the force.
Problem is, he was raised by obi (obsessed with being a good boy jedi and joining the council, even against qui gons suggestions) and Anakin isnt naturally inclined towards the light.
So Anakin desperately wants to be on the council, gets the shaft (in his opinion) and Sheev manipulates everything to get Anakin to go full dark side
I feel like Qui Gon dying is lowkey one of the pivotal Star Wars moments.
Problem is, he was raised by obi (obsessed with being a good boy jedi and joining the council, even against qui gons suggestions) and Anakin isnt naturally inclined towards the light.
So Anakin desperately wants to be on the council, gets the shaft (in his opinion) and Sheev manipulates everything to get Anakin to go full dark side
I feel like Qui Gon dying is lowkey one of the pivotal Star Wars moments.
Fluffernutter Pancake
Member
Bonus points if anyone does a Ben Kenobi twirl in the middle of the fight while the opponent stares dumbly in awe
LizardSnob
Neo Member
I never knew that there could be too much of a lightsaber fight until that film...till that god awful swinging on wires. UGHHHHHH
Vader is, was, and always will be a bad person.
"Anakin" was trapped inside Vader, believed to be killed when he was seduced by the Dark Side.
Obi-Wan said:
Where he was wrong and Luke was right was that "Anakin" wasn't destroyed, merely trapped/imprisoned. That's what makes the Throne Room scene so great, it's Luke proving that there was good ("Anakin") still in him.
It doesn't map on to anything we know about how people act in the real world and is kinda silly if you try and apply it in the real world, but that's Star Wars for ya.
Theodoricos
Member
I kind of like the idea of Kylo Ren staying Kylo Ren, completed training or otherwise. I always preferred the idea of "Darth" being something unique to Vader, whether it's a title or a name ("You can't win, Darth") before subsequent material retconned that.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Couldn't make it through a minute.
I don't know why people think Luke is going to bust out Ol' Greenie
He threw that away on the Second Death Star, which blew up
It's gone
He's probably moved on to that Yoda-level of "Don't need no weapon to use the Force" Jedi
JonnyDBrit
Member
Ironically, I also think this is one of the bigger missteps in TPM. Not so much Qui-Gon dying, but him having been the one to pick Anakin out and so ardently believe that they were the Chosen One. The film doesn't really give us much reason to doubt Qui-Gon's view within itself, and yet considering it led to the rise of Darth freaking Vader, there's something rather incongruous about it.
Honestly? It should have been Obi-Wan to find him. The eager Jedi padawan who's deeply versed in all the ancient lore, and insists to his master that this might actually be the one. Qui-Gon could be sceptical, but after a
That would have made more sense with the old lines in the OT about Obi-Wan taking Anakin away, added an extra sense of responsibility to Obi-Wan for all that happened, but also left the question of whether or not Anakin was the Chosen One, or simply a powerful kid on whom Obi-Wan projected his beliefs, up in the air, versus right now where it seems explicitly a thing even though as a concept it's vague and makes little sense.
Nah dude Luke vs Shredder will totally happen
Luke V Snoke or Kylo would be goddamn amazing. At least I hope we get a Vader from Rogue One style scene with Luke. Luke is a legend, and Rogue One showed us Vader at his most powerful, now I hope we see why Luke is a legend and how much more powerful he has become in the past 40 years.
Theodoricos
Member
hmm..
Luke = Grey Jedi confirmed.
Voidwolf
Member
I do like the Kylo Ren moniker, but just think of how great it'd be if we see Kylo kneeling before Snoke and picking up his saber as Snoke states his training is now complete and proclaims him Darth "insert cool name". As for simply calling Vader "Darth", I just like to think Obi-Wan was messing with him in the moment. Maybe so much as expressing his disappointment in him, for becoming some so called Dark Lord of the Sith when all he really was was the emperor's hound.
I don't think you even need Qui-Gon for that. Yoda will always be Obi-Wan's master to me, and he can fill the same role.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
He had it during the Endor celebration though.
hmm..
Where the fuck is General Hux??
JonnyDBrit
Member
Aye, though obviously Yoda couldn't die in order to leave Obi-Wan saddled with the kid. But either way, a padawan Obi-Wan is much more open to the idea of being young and naive, rather than wise and learned.
-Plasma Reus-
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Uh.....
What if.. what if Luke split himself in to two separate beings. Like Piccolo from DBZ and you have good Luke training Rey and bad Luke training Kylo.
What if.. what if Luke split himself in to two separate beings. Like Piccolo from DBZ and you have good Luke training Rey and bad Luke training Kylo.
Voidwolf
Member
If Pablo simply tweets that maybe some loyal Stormtrooper picked up Kylo's helmet while evacuating Starkiller base, then it's not far fetched to assume Luke picked up his lightsaber off screen. I'm actually expecting him to have a saber hidden in that cane of his, Darth Maul style. I really hope not tho.
He is wearing the Dark Luke Jedi face mask in best M:I fashion to lure Rey to the dark side.
I personally saw it as Qui Gon KNOWING he should be the one to train it because he, as a guy who did his own thing, knew how hed probably be trained and knew the balance to the force was something outside annihilating the dark side entirely forever
He gets had, and IMPLORES obiwan thay HE must train the boy, not that the boy must be trained
Obi wan has much to learn of the living force and, even in 4/5/6 he never got it
Haloid1177
Banned
There was a lightsaber that style in Clone Wars. It wouldn't shock me if they do it again, though I kinda like the idea R2 had it the whole time. Would make sense why Rian had JJ put R2 with Rey at the end instead of BB8.
After seeing him get spooked by Rey cracking the ground and seeing him buried in rubble after Kylo destroyed the new temple, I'm getting the feeling that we're going to see a washed-up Luke in more ways than one.
He might have let go on his training now that there was nobody left to fight and nobody left to teach him, and teaching the basics to a bunch of Force-newbies might have left him feeling like he knows enough to get by. I get the impression that Luke who styled on Vader is gone, and that Kylo/Rey are truly unique in being levels of power that Luke is unfamiliar with.
It's possible that Kylo was able to destroy the temple because he beat Luke cleanly and had a light-side weak moment that kept him from finishing the job. Snoke might only be afraid of him in his ability to keep the Jedi traditions alive and train new Jedi to challenge him, and not because he's a badass himself.
I don't want it to be true, but I definitely see it more now than before.
Master Of Illusion
Member
I guess I'm in the minority hoping for a Phantom Menace-like lightsaber battle and Luke to use nothing but a force Kamehameha.
Ah okay cool
Lifejumper
Member
Hope we get an Rian Johnson esque chase scene with Finn removing his stormtrooper socks: https://youtu.be/v_6s22L1GrQ
Haloid1177
Banned
Have him be like the Son in Clone Wars and just be able to deactivate kyber crystals with the Force. Though I doubt his big action scene would include someone else with a lightsaber.
"Wow, all my old lightsabers are here! It's like an early Life Day!"
Not an apple
Haloid1177
Banned
Then again it'd be pretty hype if Luke just reclaimed Anakin's saber and Rey got to build the double bladed one everyone wants her to have.
Or have Luke use both Anakin's and his green saber. Basically I want the worst kind of fan service with Luke and I don't even care.