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[InquisitorAles]

wait, what?

Yeah, that's the part were i stopped understanding whole this situation. Maybe this is understandable for people from west, but i find it hard to see any logic in this. Like, he harassed you, ruined your relations with boyfriend, and then... you had "consensual sex" with harasser? I think that sexual harassments are disgusting and should not be tolerated, but this story is fucked up in so many ways, it's a shame that community is going to die because of this.

 

[LeroyPantwether]

Off course it doesnt make it ok but thats not what i was saying, I just think its not normal here in Australia doing that kind of activity.

Edit: I think this is a whole different topic all together I suppose so Ill just leave it.

Maybe I wasn't clear . It would also be considered strange here in the US . Though as others have pointed out , it's fruitless to debate
the situation as OP asserts the lady made the whole thing up or whatever . So yea best to just leave it .


Nbagaf?

 

[PhantomThief]

Yeah, that's the part were i stopped understanding whole this situation. Maybe this is understandable for people from west, but i find it hard to see any logic in this. Like, he harassed you, ruined your relations with boyfriend, and then... you had "consensual sex" with harasser? I think that sexual harassments are disgusting and should not be tolerated, but this story is fucked up in so many ways, it's a shame that community is going to die because of this.

If you read the thread youd know the mods and lots of people have left not just because of this but also the handling of pedophile Amirox which discussion about it was put on a lid, users banned and threads deleted.

That is not the way to do things.

 

[Vagabundo]

I'm sure an argument could be made that NeoGAF needed some changes, but I don't think the temporary removal of the Off-Topic section and the permanent removal of political and social discussion is the way to go about doing that. I also think it seems like a deflection from the actual reason why people started leaving in the first place, which were the allegations against Mr. Malka.

Edit: Oops. Meant to post this in the state of NeoGAF thread that Mr. Malka posted, but I suppose it fits here as well.

More transparent Moderating with a appeals process for lenghty bans would have been a better way to go. Also with Evilore stepping back from modding duties after the accusation.

Anyway that ship has sailed.

 

[Skoen]

Of course its a he said she said situation, but the real problem here is how the accusation was handled - and how it continues to be handled - and the effects on the GAF community.

Yeah you´re right, and in that case this entire thing is blown way out of its proportions! Sure he did something wrong but not enough to warrant this shitstorm..

 

[Vagabundo]

Yeah you´re right, and in that case this entire thing is blown way out of its proportions! Sure he did something wrong but not enough to warrant this shitstorm..

Its not the community's fault its a shitstorm though. I think the proportions that things have been blown to are directly related to how it was handled, i.e not well.

 

[samar11]

Maybe I wasn't clear . It would also be considered strange here in the US . Though as others have pointed out , it's fruitless to debate
the situation as OP asserts the lady made the whole thing up or whatever . So yea best to just leave it .


Nbagaf?

Sorry I meant its also not normal here in Australia .

 

[Xtyle]

I agree that it is a he said/she said. But that's the not crux of the discussion at the moment. Everyone here is discussing whether or not doing what EviLore supposedly did could be construed as harassment. But the bigger question is whether or not he actually did it. Everyone debating if it should be considered harassment has already sided with her side of the story to some degree.

My point is that it is hard to believe either of them. Sure, we all like to take sides. From my point of view, I like to think that all happened as she described it...but I don't necessary think he had bad intentions. Maybe he was feeling romantic (if any flirting was involved) and maybe he missed she was puking. We don't know any of the details proceeding the shower either. As some said, I like to the truth lies in the middle somewhere.

 

[cybamerc]

I don't think either party comes off well in the article.

 

[kyser73]

Its not the community's fault its a shitstorm though. I think the proportions that things have been blown to are directly related to how it was handled, i.e not well.

The response was what I’d expect from a community that tends toward a pitchforks first approach.

The modding policy, especially in OT, led to the site being seen as something about of a safe space for a lot of groups normally marginalised on gaming or mainstream websites and for the accusations against the owner to be ifvthe nature they are...well I can see why a lot of people would be genuinely hurt & angry about that.

I don't think either party comes off well in the article.

Yup.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Its not the community's fault its a shitstorm though. I think the proportions that things have been blown to are directly related to how it was handled, i.e not well.

Precisely.

As with previous issues on the site - whether it was something as serious as the revelation that Amir0x had been arrested over child porn or something as simple as the push from GAFers for a "remember Iwata" theming to the site when he died (having seen the board rightfully themed to publicly support the LGBT community, IIRC - can't check now, thanks to OT being unavailable to search) there is a pattern:

Evilore will remain strictly hands-off... until he isn't. When he does decide to get involved it is handled awkwardly, harshly and with as little explanation as possible, or with important details ignored, glossed over or simply denied.

I'm not surprised the Amir0x situation nearly broke the mod team, before this finally did for them. When the story broke, most of the discussion that cropped up - before being locked or deleted - was from users who were shocked and looking for answers. The initial response seemed fair - confirmation that it was actually Amir0x wasn't there, there were likely concerns about it being a malicious hoax etc. - so the initial locks weren't looked on too badly. That quickly soured as it became clear that all discussion on it was quickly being shut down even after it was apparent it really was Amir0x, and it was relatively late after the news when Evilore finally made a statement on the situation that many long-time GAFers felt - rightly, I think - skimmed over (or possibly misrepresented) the situation with Amir0x and promptly shut it all down again, with no further discussion (or mention) of the subject allowed.

Regardless of the truth of the situation between Evilore and Leupp, you can see the same pattern here - ignore it as long as possible, make the mods stomp hard on it and leave them to take the flak, then when that finally becomes untenable (spectacularly so, this time, as GAF basically collapsed as the mods made a mass exodus) step in, and make an unsatisfactory statement with no further discussion. The only small improvement in this situation has been that threads have been allowed to remain open, but I suspect that's a small sop to try and cool things off rather than a genuine change of heart, and it's arguably utterly undermined by the decision to close off OT and to ban "politics".

I don't see much learning or growth here, and that's incredibly disappointing to me. This has been a fantastic community, despite the ups and downs and some embarrassing moments (the internet caricature of GAF is uncomfortably accurate on occasion) and I think there was an opportunity here to move in a different direction that strengthened the site and showed that lessons were finally being learned.

The statement and the comments in the Waypoint interview make that seem incredibly unlikely. Very sad.

 

[ChazGW7]

Common sense in my world. For all the people going crazy over this, when is it OK to approach a woman?
Do you need a written acceptance before you can even kiss her?

Some people are way too sensitive.

I'm not saying what he did was OK, but you're all talking like he raped her.
They were drunk, in the same hotel room, she didn't close the door. We don't know the mood or what was said between them.
I could sure as hell see that as an invitation.

Obviously it wasn't, and he respected that.
Then they had sex later. What..

Innocent until proven guilty. Ruining a mans life over heresay is so god damn narrow minded, and dangerous.

There's a difference between leaning in for a kiss and getting into a shower with someone naked.

The fact they had sex in the FUTURE should have nothing to do with this discussion. Nothing.

 

[Vagabundo]

Precisely.

As with previous issues on the site - whether it was something as serious as the revelation that Amir0x had been arrested over child porn or something as simple as the push from GAFers for a "remember Iwata" theming to the site when he died (having seen the board rightfully themed to publicly support the LGBT community, IIRC - can't check now, thanks to OT being unavailable to search) there is a pattern:

Evilore will remain strictly hands-off... until he isn't. When he does decide to get involved it is handled awkwardly, harshly and with as little explanation as possible, or with important details ignored, glossed over or simply denied.

I'm not surprised the Amir0x situation nearly broke the mod team, before this finally did for them. When the story broke, most of the discussion that cropped up - before being locked or deleted - was from users who were shocked and looking for answers. The initial response seemed fair - confirmation that it was actually Amir0x wasn't there, there were likely concerns about it being a malicious hoax etc. - so the initial locks weren't looked on too badly. That quickly soured as it became clear that all discussion on it was quickly being shut down even after it was apparent it really was Amir0x, and it was relatively late after the news when Evilore finally made a statement on the situation that many long-time GAFers felt - rightly, I think - skimmed over (or possibly misrepresented) the situation with Amir0x and promptly shut it all down again, with no further discussion (or mention) of the subject allowed.

Regardless of the truth of the situation between Evilore and Leupp, you can see the same pattern here - ignore it as long as possible, make the mods stomp hard on it and leave them to take the flak, then when that finally becomes untenable (spectacularly so, this time, as GAF basically collapsed as the mods made a mass exodus) step in, and make an unsatisfactory statement with no further discussion. The only small improvement in this situation has been that threads have been allowed to remain open, but I suspect that's a small sop to try and cool things off rather than a genuine change of heart, and it's arguably utterly undermined by the decision to close off OT and to ban "politics".

I don't see much learning or growth here, and that's incredibly disappointing to me. This has been a fantastic community, despite the ups and downs and some embarrassing moments (the internet caricature of GAF is uncomfortably accurate on occasion) and I think there was an opportunity here to move in a different direction that strengthened the site and showed that lessons were finally being learned.

The statement and the comments in the Waypoint interview make that seem incredibly unlikely. Very sad.

Pretty much wholehearted agree. In the end this accusation was the final straw for the mods, I believe.

The moderation system should have been overhauled years ago so it was far more transparent and with visible user feedback channelled into a meta forum.

The response was what I'd expect from a community that tends toward a pitchforks first approach.

The modding policy, especially in OT, led to the site being seen as something about of a safe space for a lot of groups normally marginalised on gaming or mainstream websites and for the accusations against the owner to be ifvthe nature they are...well I can see why a lot of people would be genuinely hurt & angry about that.

Yep, can't fault anyone's reaction. I'm still in wait and see mode myself. Banning politics in OT could be a deal breaker for me personally.

 

[Ombra]

There's a difference between leaning in for a kiss and getting into a shower with someone naked.

The fact they had sex in the FUTURE should have nothing to do with this discussion. Nothing.

Thats true. If you hate facts that ruin your narrative.

 

[anothertech]

There's a difference between leaning in for a kiss and getting into a shower with someone naked.

The fact they had sex in the FUTURE should have nothing to do with this discussion. Nothing.

You are wrong there. It is very material to the facts, especially the timing of such interaction. Was it that night? Was it the next day, or sometime down the road?

Those facts, and many others like their relationship prior to the incident, their behavior that night leading up to it, their relationship after the fact, and even what was happening between them just before she posted those allegations in Facebook and told them to google Evilore.

All of those facts are extremely important in a case such as this.

And we don’t know 99% of any of it, so tbh, the accusations and defense of it all is pure bullshit. Every post for ‘ban me’ is just ignorant trolling at this point.

 

[KillerMan91]

Without even talking about incidents themselves (Amir0x situation and then this accusation) I feel the situation itself was so badly handled that it's that broke this place. Scorched earth policy rarely has the effects you hope. Making informative quick statements and allowing discussion at least to some point would have netted much more favorable end results. Some would had still left but we wouldn't have seen this huge exodus.

 

[Deleted member 53899]

Precisely.

As with previous issues on the site - whether it was something as serious as the revelation that Amir0x had been arrested over child porn or something as simple as the push from GAFers for a "remember Iwata" theming to the site when he died (having seen the board rightfully themed to publicly support the LGBT community, IIRC - can't check now, thanks to OT being unavailable to search) there is a pattern:

Evilore will remain strictly hands-off... until he isn't. When he does decide to get involved it is handled awkwardly, harshly and with as little explanation as possible, or with important details ignored, glossed over or simply denied.

I'm not surprised the Amir0x situation nearly broke the mod team, before this finally did for them. When the story broke, most of the discussion that cropped up - before being locked or deleted - was from users who were shocked and looking for answers. The initial response seemed fair - confirmation that it was actually Amir0x wasn't there, there were likely concerns about it being a malicious hoax etc. - so the initial locks weren't looked on too badly. That quickly soured as it became clear that all discussion on it was quickly being shut down even after it was apparent it really was Amir0x, and it was relatively late after the news when Evilore finally made a statement on the situation that many long-time GAFers felt - rightly, I think - skimmed over (or possibly misrepresented) the situation with Amir0x and promptly shut it all down again, with no further discussion (or mention) of the subject allowed.

Regardless of the truth of the situation between Evilore and Leupp, you can see the same pattern here - ignore it as long as possible, make the mods stomp hard on it and leave them to take the flak, then when that finally becomes untenable (spectacularly so, this time, as GAF basically collapsed as the mods made a mass exodus) step in, and make an unsatisfactory statement with no further discussion. The only small improvement in this situation has been that threads have been allowed to remain open, but I suspect that's a small sop to try and cool things off rather than a genuine change of heart, and it's arguably utterly undermined by the decision to close off OT and to ban "politics".

I don't see much learning or growth here, and that's incredibly disappointing to me. This has been a fantastic community, despite the ups and downs and some embarrassing moments (the internet caricature of GAF is uncomfortably accurate on occasion) and I think there was an opportunity here to move in a different direction that strengthened the site and showed that lessons were finally being learned.

The statement and the comments in the Waypoint interview make that seem incredibly unlikely. Very sad.

I completely agree with this, you've absolutely nailed my thoughts. I have no idea on the truth of the latest allegations, but the way it's been handled has been a complete shambles and leaves an incredibly bad taste in my mouth.

 

[The Spacepope]

Tyler Malka - I would like to hear you justify how posting revenge porn is OK. Was that woman psychotic too? You ruined that woman's life.

 

[hendersonhank]

I guess I'm missing where the sexual assault or harassment came in here.

This is HER story: Guy and girl go on road trip to New Orleans. Get a hotel room and get wasted together. She goes to take a shower and leaves the door ajar. Guy follows her in, naked. She tells him to get out and he does.

Nothing there meets any definition -- certainly no legal definition -- of assault or harassment. It was a drunken misreading of the situation, which she seemed to also believe as indicated by her "forgiving" of him and proceeding to have a sexual relationship with him and go on another road trip with him (where they slept together).

I also find fishy her claim that she "never wanted to publicly out him", given the fact that her description of "a semi-famous guy in the videogame world" was not actually relevant to the story and a few posts later she says "fuck it, google Evillore" -- i.e., thus publicly outing him.

 

[PBY]

I guess I'm missing where the sexual assault or harassment came in here.

This is HER story: Guy and girl go on road trip to New Orleans. Get a hotel room and get wasted together. She goes to take a shower and leaves the door ajar. Guy follows her in, naked. She tells him to get out and he does.

Nothing there meets any definition -- certainly no legal definition -- of assault or harassment. It was a drunken misreading of the situation, which she seemed to also believe as indicated by her "forgiving" of him and proceeding to have a sexual relationship with him and go on another road trip with him (where they slept together).

I also find fishy her claim that she "never wanted to publicly out him", given the fact that her description of "a semi-famous guy in the videogame world" was not actually relevant to the story and a few posts later she says "fuck it, google Evillore" -- i.e., thus publicly outing him.

Then you have no idea how consent works? Holy shit.

 

[ChazGW7]

Thats true. If you hate facts that ruin your narrative.

I have no narrative here, I don't give a fuck about GAF/ERA whatever, I have had an account here for like a year. Whatever happens to this site, happens. Boohoo. I'll get my news elsewhere if need be.

You are wrong there. It is very material to the facts, especially the timing of such interaction. Was it that night? Was it the next day, or sometime down the road?

Those facts, and many others like their relationship prior to the incident, their behavior that night leading up to it, their relationship after the fact, and even what was happening between them just before she posted those allegations in Facebook and told them to google Evilore.

All of those facts are extremely important in a case such as this.

And we don't know 99% of any of it, so tbh, the accusations and defense of it all is pure bullshit. Every post for ‘ban me' is just ignorant trolling at this point.

I agree with you here, it is all bullshit. But if you have not had a 'physical relationship' with this person prior to just walking into the shower with them totally naked, then no it is not acceptable.

How people have taken aspects such as going on a road trip and drinking as !!CLEAR SIGNALS!! is fucking laughable at this point. Those are not clear signals at all and its embarrassing that anyone would think that either of those two things = a thumbs up to walking into a shower with a woman naked. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. On the bare minimum that is an invasion of her privacy.

 

[Foffy]

I guess I'm missing where the sexual assault or harassment came in here.

This is HER story: Guy and girl go on road trip to New Orleans. Get a hotel room and get wasted together. She goes to take a shower and leaves the door ajar. Guy follows her in, naked. She tells him to get out and he does.

Nothing there meets any definition -- certainly no legal definition -- of assault or harassment. It was a drunken misreading of the situation, which she seemed to also believe as indicated by her "forgiving" of him and proceeding to have a sexual relationship with him and go on another road trip with him (where they slept together).

I also find fishy her claim that she "never wanted to publicly out him", given the fact that her description of "a semi-famous guy in the videogame world" was not actually relevant to the story and a few posts later she says "fuck it, google Evillore" -- i.e., thus publicly outing him.

She was encouraged to open up by the people replying to her.

Calling that "fishy" is hilarious, but incredibly sad. Typical spin we see when it comes to countless accusations against those in a position of power.

 

[Vagabundo]

How people have taken aspects such as going on a road trip and drinking as !!CLEAR SIGNALS!! is fucking laughable at this point. Those are not clear signals at all and its embarrassing that anyone would think that either of those two things = a thumbs up to walking into a shower with a woman naked. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. On the bare minimum that is an invasion of her privacy.

Bingo. I do wonder at what kinds shit of people who post at GAF get up to sometimes if they think like this.

 

[hendersonhank]

Then you have no idea how consent works? Holy shit.

Nothing happened, so what needed to be consented to? She didn't consent to him joining her in the shower, so he left.

Please look up definitions of sexual assault and sexual harassment.

 

[hendersonhank]

She was encouraged to open up by the people replying to her.

Calling that "fishy" is hilarious, but incredibly sad. Typical spin we see when it comes to countless accusations against those in a position of power.

I have no problem with someone who was assaulted publicly outing their assaulter. I think that's exactly what they should do.

I do find it contradictory that someone claimed to NOT have any intention of doing that, but then did exactly that 40 minutes later and after exactly one comment "encouraging" her to do so -- ONE person encourages her to name him, she says "nah", then the very next comment is her own again, "fuck it, google Evillore". It seemed like she certainly DID have the intention of "publicly outing" him, so why is she claiming even now that she "never wanted" to?

 

[Hermii]

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[PrivateRyan]

How people have taken aspects such as going on a road trip and drinking as !!CLEAR SIGNALS!! is fucking laughable at this point. Those are not clear signals at all and its embarrassing that anyone would think that either of those two things = a thumbs up to walking into a shower with a woman naked. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. On the bare minimum that is an invasion of her privacy.

Echoes my thoughts entirely.

I don't about you, but if I am so drunk I'm puking, I'm pretty fucking drunk, and I don't have a clear memory of everything that happened that night.

Wow.

 

[Vagabundo]

Nothing happened, so what needed to be consented to? She didn't consent to him joining her in the shower, so he left.

Please look up definitions of sexual assault and sexual harassment.

Please look up the legal definition of Sexual Misconduct. Whats wrong with asking if she wanted company through the door without taking his clothes off and entering?

I do find it contradictory that someone claimed to NOT have any intention of doing that, but then did exactly that 40 minutes later and after exactly one comment "encouraging" her to do so -- ONE person encourages her to name him, she says "nah", then the very next comment is her own again, "fuck it, google Evillore". It seemed like she certainly DID have the intention of "publicly outing" him, so why is she claiming even now that she "never wanted" to?

Why do you think she did? Do you think it was a cleverly crafted plan all along?

I don't about you, but if I am so drunk I'm puking, I'm pretty fucking drunk, and I don't have a clear memory of everything that happened that night.

I never get sick on a night out no matter how much Ive drunk.l Always the next day. My wife can feel sick after one or two beers but will have perfect memory recall of the night. People vary. :/

 

[Hermii]

Wow.

Didn’t mean to imply anything, it was a stupid comment sorry.

 

[Apt101]

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[ZeroGravity]

Believe women, except when the one accused runs the website you post on. Not surprised at Evilore being a massive hypocrite. Fucking creep.

 

[IISANDERII]

What bothers me the most is Tyler’s handling of this. Is it so hard to admit he was being a drunken idiot that night? And not say the victim is a mentally ill person with malicious intent.

Honest question because I guess I missed it: How do we know any kind of shower incident happened at all?

 

[jufonuk]

So what happens now will gaf be able to carry on ? Will it still have the same clout to n the video games industry or will a new forum take its place ?

Gaf can’t be full gaf without OT I think

 

[Widge]

Please look up the legal definition of Sexual Misconduct. Whats wrong with asking if she wanted company through the door without taking his clothes off and entering?

I mean maybe I'm old fashioned and all but I tend not to just bust into a bathroom if someone else is in there. I don't want someone to do it to me, so I definitely don't do it to someone else!

 

[Vire]

Please look up the legal definition of Sexual Misconduct. Whats wrong with asking if she wanted company through the door without taking his clothes off and entering?



Why do you think she did? Do you think it was a cleverly crafted plan all along?

From the article it’s not so hard to see why she would do it actually, the resentment from the whole three way love triangle.

The fact that the article so nonchalantly mentions that they had consensual sex later just blows my mind. So she wasn’t into him then, not giving him any signs before, but later she does? I dunno.

I think both come off incredibly poorly here and the situation is pretty sad. I loved this place for a decade now and to see it torn apart because of this all really hurts.

 

[Vagabundo]

People deserve to be able to make mistakes and not be lynched and have their livelihoods and social lives ruined because of it. The extreme reaction from many, regarding nothing more than an allegation on social media, is frankly shocking to me. I had seen many users gravitate towards this kind of behavior over the years over in OT, but never this kind of extreme. They turned cruel, petty, and intolerant on the drop of a dime..

hmmm maybe you haven't been reading posts about it, but most are upset with the how it was handled and not just the what went down.

There's also other stuff out there that people have been sketchy about for a long time. But the way this was handled on the forum was the final straw for many and they are justifiably upset that the community has suffered due to it.

 

[hendersonhank]

Please look up the legal definition of Sexual Misconduct.

I guarantee you there is no case whatsoever for a sexual misconduct charge when two adults get a hotel room together, get drunk, and one walks in on the other in the shower and then immediately leaves when the other tells him to.

Whats wrong with asking if she wanted company through the door without taking his clothes off and entering?

Absolutely nothing is wrong with that and of course that would be the ideal way to go about it. But that doesn't mean doing otherwise makes you a "sexual predator".

Why do you think she did? Do you think it was a cleverly crafted plan all along?

I think she said she "never wanted to publicly out him" to come across as taking the high road when this all blew up, when she had actually acted out of vindictiveness (justified or not).

 

[Wink]

This is a great write up from Patrick. I think everyone can make up their own mind after reading it. My conclusion is that the relationship between these two is at least some degrees too complicated for me to have a clear cut answer.
There's definitely more going on than clearly defined borders being crossed out of maliciousness as her words about not wanting it to go that far and the ensuing even deeper relationship after the event show. Not my place to make a judgement here either way.

Just a personal opinion: Don't make a move on a clearly too drunk person, it's never a great idea.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

The allegations are mild enough that an honest apology would have fixed it.
He misinterpreted a situation, happens all the time, no big deal.

Instead he goes down the road of denying it... Does he expect people to just believe him over her? Not going to happen just like that.

 

[Jeff Freecss]

I guarantee you there is no case whatsoever for a sexual misconduct charge when two adults get a hotel room together, get drunk, and one walks in on the other in the shower and then immediately leaves when the other tells him to.



Absolutely nothing is wrong with that and of course that would be the ideal way to go about it. But that doesn't mean doing otherwise makes you a "sexual predator".



I think she said she "never wanted to publicly out him" to come across as taking the high road when this all blew up, when she had actually acted out of vindictiveness (justified or not).

According to the article, he's fully naked when he approached her. In what jurisdiction is that behavior okay?

 

[Lister]

This is a great write up from Patrick. I think everyone can make up their own mind after reading it. My conclusion is that the relationship between these two is at least some degrees too complicated for me to have a clear cut answer.
There's definitely more going on than clearly defined borders being crossed out of maliciousness as her words about not wanting it to go that far and the ensuing even deeper relationship after the event show. Not my place to make a judgement here either way.

Just a personal opinion: Don't make a move on a clearly too drunk person, it's never a great idea.

The allegations are mild enough that an honest apology would have fixed it.
He misinterpreted a situation, happens all the time, no big deal.

Instead he goes down the road of denying it... Does he expect people to just believe him over her? Not going to happen just like that.

Whole heartedly agree wiht these two posts.

The worst he can be accused of is a major misreading of the situation, for which, apparently, even she forgave him, and for which none of us have the necessary information to judge. This was apersonal issue that should have been resolved between the two. It really should have ended there, but she decided to make this public, and like countless other men who have made such errors, instead of apologizing, they get defensive and do the worst thing possible, which is to deny it.

 

[zenspider]

According to the article, he's fully naked when he approached her. In what jurisdiction is that behavior okay?

The jurisdiction of the bathroom. Do you wear clothes in the the shower?

 

[baberunisei]

He can sue the accuser, but the burden will actually be on him to prove he is correct. In a civil suit, she would be innocent until EviLore proves her liable.

The process I was referring would consist of her accusing him of sexual harassment, not him accusing her of false allegations

 

[hendersonhank]

According to the article, he's fully naked when he approached her. In what jurisdiction is that behavior okay?

This isn't flashing a child at a park. This is two adults on a vacation together, in a hotel room together, drinking together, and one goes to the shower and leaves the door ajar. No charge of sexual misconduct for coming into the shower naked (and then immediately leaving when told) is going to get anywhere.

 

[Vagabundo]

I guarantee you there is no case whatsoever for a sexual misconduct charge when two adults get a hotel room together, get drunk, and one walks in on the other in the shower and then immediately leaves when the other tells him to.

Maybe there would be no case brought by prosecutors, but that does not mean it would not meet the legal definition of one. Exposing yourself to someone in those circumstances certainly would.

I don't think we should commend him because he left when she then said no, that's just daft.

Absolutely nothing is wrong with that and of course that would be the ideal way to go about it. But that doesn't mean doing otherwise makes you a "sexual predator".

Straw man.

I think she said she "never wanted to publicly out him" to come across as taking the high road when this all blew up, when she had actually acted out of vindictiveness (justified or not).

You have no clue about to her motivations.

This isn't flashing a child at a park. This is two adults on a vacation together, in a hotel room together, drinking together, and one goes to the shower and leaves the door ajar. No charge of sexual misconduct for coming into the shower naked (and then immediately leaving when told) is going to get anywhere.

lol.
How many showers have you walked into uninvited?? Do you think its something you'd do?

 

[Anarion07]

You have no clue about to her motivations.

Exactly. And neither do you. None of us.

 

[Vagabundo]

Exactly. And neither do you. None of us.

Exactly.. So pointless to speculate on them.

 

[TheAuldTriangle]

So according to that article, they had a consensual sexual relationship AFTER the alleged harassment?

What?

 

[MightyKAC]

So according to that article, they had a consensual sexual relationship AFTER the alleged harassment?

What?

Yup.

That fact alone makes this WHOLE thing seem extra fucked up.

 

[lawnchair]

is this the culture war?