Imp the Dimp
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It's not a purge if only human garbage stays. You're doing this wrong, GAF.
I wonder how people picture this happening IRL.
Person A: My belief is that homosexuality is a sin, I don't hate the sinner just the sin.
Person B: I'm gay, but I respect your belief because I respect everyone's belief.
They'll live happily ever after and it won't be awkward at all surely?
Noob question, can someone tell me how to ignore users on mobile?
It's not a purge if only human garbage stays. You're doing this wrong, GAF.
I would suggest Person A and B not interacting. If this is real life then walk away, if this is Online then ignore or leave the conversation.
It shouldn't be okay to generalize people, but it absolutely should be allowed to criticize religions. Especially the parts that lead to condemning others, supressing them or trying to limit their rights.So it would be ok for them to attack Islam too? Or is it only ok to attack and generalize all Christians?
If you stay, you're human garbage. Is that what you're saying?It's not a purge if only human garbage stays. You're doing this wrong, GAF.
that doesn't seem very tolerant to me
I'd rather not interact with people who think marriage is only between a man and a woman, or think that trans woman are still men or people who make jokes about people's preferred pronouns.
define bigot?
Am I a bigot for not being on board with intersectionalism? Am I a bigot for condemning hate speech against any race including white people? Am I a bigot for thinking christians have relgious rights just like muslims do?
Be careful that your lack of tolerance doesn't turn you into a bigot yourself.
I just want people to be treated the same no matter the color of their skin, their religion, or their sexual orientation. Saying death to all cis white men, fuck white people, christians are racists, any homophobia, muslims are terrorists, or i hate black people are all equally terrible in my eyes.
And now, instead of possibly changing his views and making him see how uneducated and backwards his thinking has become, he'll likely retreat to his own eco-chamber where he will reinforce his beliefs and possibly even become aggressive in his views.
Once again, NeoGAF took the approach they are frequently criticized for.
"Please tolerate my intolerance."
No.
Some "opinions" are stupid. It's really as simple as that.
If someone's "opinion" is that they think a person should have less basic human rights than another person because of how they were born and you are "intolerant" to that, it is not the same thing as what that person is doing.
I have yet to see that here other than a few alt right aholes who have already been banned.
You realize that the world isn't left vs right right? That there are moderates, or even center left people, that may support most of your beliefs but also disagree with some? These are the people I see staying at gaf that are being called human garbage. These are the people who have been silenced and lumped in with the alt right, that are celebrating the idea that they can now speak up.
Oh no, will someone please defend poor white people like us, who have been under seige under the tyranny of Obama and those untouchable feminists.
Who gives a shit, he lives in america in 2017 and he has those views, he can go back to his backwater bigoted cult.
Are you kidding me? That is what you get out of this? I voted for both Obama and Hillary btw...
wheres the middle on believing that gay people are humans and believing that gay people are subhuman
But no one here is saying or arguing for that. In fact, I know of no one irl who feels that way. I'm certain they exist and you are right, they should not be tolerated, but the majority of people who may be religious or lean right politically do not feel this way at all. It is a low and disingenuous tactic to attack large groups of people this way. It is very easy to claim someones opinion is "stupid" and therefore too easy to claim they do not deserve to be treated as humans. You can't hide intolerance behind that sort of hypocrisy.
I just want people to be treated the same no matter the color of their skin, their religion, or their sexual orientation. Saying death to all cis white men, fuck white people, christians are racists, any homophobia, muslims are terrorists, or i hate black people are all equally terrible in my eyes.
It would be amazing if this forum didn't allow any of that going forward.
I am sure you also have a black friend you also use as a shield
wheres the middle on believing that gay people are humans and believing that gay people are subhuman
Maybe today things will have calmed down and... *looks at thread* wow going even 'better' today. A lot of people coming out of the woodwork these last few days...
Yes.
Some things awarrant instant agression, like homophobia, racism or white supremacy.
Arguing for a space to debate these issues is fucking insane.
Yes.
I don't know a single person in real life who has ever asserted that gay people are subhuman. And the majority of people I interact with on a regular basis range from center-left to firmly to the right.
Most religious people don't think like that? I really wish that were the case.
Just compare LGBT rights in religious countries vs secular ones.
It is not our job to educate bigots. By your logic, people like him should continue being able to spout hate as much as they want here because maybe they'll change their mind someday.
But yes, we should be kind to the bigots because they might get even angrier?
Fuck that.
This is a great example of what people are talking about. You obviously don't want to actually discuss things, so you deflect by claiming the absolute worst case scenario (removing rights, denying existence) and then try to assassinate my character. You follow the playbook very well.
People are NOT born racist, nor are they born bigoted. It is a learned thought process. It can come from a persons up bringing, their peers, culture and any number of interactions throughout their life that shape their current views; as a learned condition, it can be 'unlearnt.'.
The majority of bigots are largely that way due to lack of education and understanding so if it's not your job to help educate them, who's is it? If the left and right continue to draw lines in the sand and sling insults at each other, how are things ever going to improve?
My whole family is pretty much old school Christians who aren't the most accepting (which pains me greatly BTW). Am I suppose to call them all bigot, racist, homophobic, Trump supporting, Nazi pieces of human trash or do I engage with them at any opportunity to help them realize that those ways of thinking are backwards? My father once thought that being gay was a choice but I've made him realize that his belief was wrong and that it's not.
Should they be attacked by association and accused of things they do not feel in there heart? When it is in fact those people who would be in the best position to push change among their peers, you would think that treating them like human garbage is the least logical thing to do.
The majority of bigots are largely that way due to lack of education and understanding so if it's not your job to help educate them, who's is it? If the left and right continue to draw lines in the sand and sling insults at each other, how are things ever going to improve?
My whole family is pretty much old school Christians who aren't the most accepting (which pains me greatly BTW). Am I suppose to call them all bigot, racist, homophobic, Trump supporting, Nazi pieces of human trash or do I engage with them at any opportunity to help them realize that those ways of thinking are backwards? My father once thought that being gay was a choice but I've made him realize that his belief was wrong and that it's not.
Driveby bullshit like this isn't helpful. Who do you see coming out of the woodwork today exactly? There was one misguided dude who got banned. That's about it. So I'm not sure what you're even talking about.
define bigot?
Am I a bigot for not being on board with intersectionalism? Am I a bigot for condemning hate speech against any race including white people? Am I a bigot for thinking christians have relgious rights just like muslims do?
Be careful that your lack of tolerance doesn't turn you into a bigot yourself.
I don't feel bad for you, Trump is in office and the alt-right is pushing en masse for your kind or ”open discourse", the world is your oyster!
An empathetic wall of text to say ”give them a chance", nope I am sorry they know what they are getting into spewing hate speech, and deserve to be chased back into their shit dens.
Classical liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government. It developed in 18th-century Europe and drew on the economic writings of Adam Smith and the growing notion of social progress.
Wow, amazing how things change in a week or so on here
Just because they smile at you and treat you nicely, and are polite. If they'd vote to make sure gays don't have the same right to marry just because they "believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman" then they are terrible.
Tired of the argument that as long as someone is polite, their viewpoint should be heard. You can be polite and still have terrible views.
Just because they smile at you and treat you nicely, and are polite. If they'd vote to make sure gays don't have the same right to marry just because they "believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman" then they are terrible.
Tired of the argument that as long as someone is polite, their viewpoint should be heard. You can be polite and still have terrible views.
Haven't you heard? Its better to ridicule them, harass them and then push them further underground. Because that wont lead to a problem later!
I just don't understand this. Kicking the can down the road is just going to lead to something like the alt-right forming but much much worse. We have to educate these people!
I guess I am human garbage then. Lucky for me words are just words.
The majority of bigots are largely that way due to lack of education and understanding so if it's not your job to help educate them, who's is it? If the left and right continue to draw lines in the sand and sling insults at each other, how are things ever going to improve?
My whole family is pretty much old school Christians who aren't the most accepting (which pains me greatly BTW). Am I suppose to call them all bigot, racist, homophobic, Trump supporting, Nazi pieces of human trash or do I engage with them at any opportunity to help them realize that those ways of thinking are backwards? My father once thought that being gay was a choice but I've made him realize that his belief was wrong and that it's not.
I fucking hate trump and would love for the alt right to disappear. My type of Open Discourse is called classical liberalism.
Stop trying to label me to fit into your narrow world view.
This is what you call a discussion.
I fucking hate trump and would love for the alt right to disappear. My type of Open Discourse is called classical liberalism.
Its not up to minorities to reach out to every bigoted piece of trash in the hopes theyll magically see the light.
Now the poor bigoted white people just need education and understanding? How much more coddling do they get?
Please feel free to discuss why your against intersectionalism and not be a bigot about it
The majority of bigots are largely that way due to lack of education and understanding so if it's not your job to help educate them, who's is it? If the left and right continue to draw lines in the sand and sling insults at each other, how are things ever going to improve?
My whole family is pretty much old school Christians who aren't the most accepting (which pains me greatly BTW). Am I suppose to call them all bigot, racist, homophobic, Trump supporting, Nazi pieces of human trash or do I engage with them at any opportunity to help them realize that those ways of thinking are backwards? My father once thought that being gay was a choice but I've made him realize that his belief was wrong and that it's not.
I really can't say, but those I know (I am not religious myself) do not. Even if most do, and I think that may be an egregious over-generalization, what about those who don't? Should they be attacked by association and accused of things they do not feel in there heart? When it is in fact those people who would be in the best position to push change among their peers, you would think that treating them like human garbage is the least logical thing to do.
I understand this is a complicated issue and there is indeed much validity in the condemnation of organized religions around the world. I just think we need to work together as humans, and blindly fighting hate with hate is not going to solve anything.
define bigot?
Am I a bigot for not being on board with intersectionalism? Am I a bigot for condemning hate speech against any race including white people? Am I a bigot for thinking christians have relgious rights just like muslims do?
Be careful that your lack of tolerance doesn't turn you into a bigot yourself.