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Prometheus (Alien 'prequel' movie) starts shooting March 2011

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subversus

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PhoncipleBone said:
City of Lost Children was fantastic. And the movie looked damn good outside of the horrible Human/Alien hybrid.

And a script is VERY important to an Alien film. It is not just "stay alive" stuff. The script was a horrible pile of shit with not one redeeming quality.

The cast in it was good as well, but totally wasted. I blame the script and the studio for the clusterfuck that was that movie. And it was also the director's first English language movie (that I can remember), so he was probably under a tight rein by the studio.
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the only redeeming thing about this movie.

The movie laked "an impending doom" feeling. It had some good twisted stuff but that's not what I like about Alien franchise.
 
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subversus

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ok, could someone enlighten me on what was so good about scripts in the first three movies? Mindblowing dialogues? Complicated character development? Some symbolism I missed (aside from Alien 3)?

They were just a chain of situations which were done right, that's all.
 
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Fallout-NL

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subversus said:
ok, could someone enlighten me on what was so good about scripts in the first three movies? Mindblowing dialogues? Complicated character development? Some symbolism I missed (aside from Alien 3)?

They were just a chain of situations which were done right, that's all.
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Dude...


The writing in Alien is so goddamn good. Ash's monologue on the nature of the alien alone is fucking legendary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4
 
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GhaleonEB

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subversus said:
ok, could someone enlighten me on what was so good about scripts in the first three movies? Mindblowing dialogues? Complicated character development? Some symbolism I missed (aside from Alien 3)?

They were just a chain of situations which were done right, that's all.
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Some suggested reading for you.

http://sfy.ru/?script=alien

Superbly executed setting, mood, character, pacing, natural dialog and brilliantly terrifying. Taken to an absurd next level by Scott and company.
 
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subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
Fallout-NL said:
Dude...


The writing in Alien is so goddamn good. Ash's monologue on the nature of the alien alone is fucking legendary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4
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I don't know, it's good but it just fits the mood and that's all. He said nothing fresh and exciting there.

I can't remember any dialogue from Alien movie. But I remember one-liners and monologues which were tied to situations.

"You always were an asshole, Gorman"

well, I could recite Aliens from start to finish when I was a kid but that doesn't count.

edit: if we talk about actual writing then the third movie is the best in that regard. Also it has the best score.
 
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Busty

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*sigh*

Conversations about this film and whether it will get an R rating? Really?

We had the same conversation before Terminator Salvation was released from almost exactly the same people and guess what.....it wasn't an R rated film. Just like Prometheus won't be an R rated film.

While Fox is run by a man called Tom Rothman (who HATES R rated films) the studio will never, EVER release an R rated film.

subversus said:
indeed! that's not about writing, that's about how he says it.

I think it's one of my favourite scenes in Alien. This and the one when Ripley screams at Mother.
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I don't know you but I feel compelled to ask you a question.

Do you speak this way in public? DO you say these ignorant, nonsensical things in front of other people? I really hope you don't.

Why? Because people will laugh at you. The other people on this forum will laugh at you. I'll laugh at you. Everyone will laugh at you.

I realise we don't know each other but I know that I do not want people pointing and laughing at you for the ridiculous, uniformed things you say. No one wants that. Least of all you.

With that in mind I would say you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.
 
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subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
Busty said:
I don't know you but I feel compelled to ask you a question.

Do you speak this way in public? DO you say these ignorant, nonsensical things in front of other people? I really hope you don't.

Why? Because people will laugh at you. The other people on this forum will laugh at you. I'll laugh at you. Everyone will laugh at you.

I realise we don't know each other but I know that I do not want people pointing and laughing at you for the ridiculous, uniformed things you say. No one wants that. Least of all you.

With that in mind I would say you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.
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Chill, dude, it's just my opinion. I can share it everywhere I want in any not offensive way I want. If people react to it aggressively I react to them accordingly but most times people are cool and don't react like that. If people laugh at my opinion online I'm cool with that, because I don't care. If people laugh at my opinion IRL I don't care and laugh with them because in about 98% of cases they're are afraid to laugh at my opinion in offensive way.
 
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Busty

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subversus said:
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Chill, dude, it's just my opinion. I can share it everywhere I want in any not offensive way I want. If people react to it aggressively I react to them accordingly but most times people are cool and don't react like that. If people laugh at my opinion online I'm cool with that, because I don't care. If people laugh at my opinion IRL I don't care and laugh with them because in about 98% of cases they're are afraid to laugh at my opinion in offensive way.
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Opinions are fine. Your views on this subject however are laughable bordering on the ignorant.

What if your treasured 'opinion' is woefully misinformed and just plain wrong? Are you happy to keep wasting your time and everyone else's babbling on and on in this forum?

You should be more concerned with educating yourself on the subject son and not celebrating your ignorance of it.
 
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subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
Busty said:
Opinions are fine. Your views on this subject however are laughable bordering on the ignorant.

What if your treasured 'opinion' is woefully misinformed and just plain wrong? Are you happy to keep wasting your time and everyone else's babbling on and on in this forum?

You should be more concerned with educating yourself on the subject son and not celebrating your ignorance of it.
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well, I don't think it's your business how I waste my time but thanks, your advice is appreciated. If you don't like reading what I write here or you find it offensive to your senses, there is an option to put a user into ignore list in your control panel.
 
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Fallout-NL

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subversus said:
I don't know, it's good but it just fits the mood and that's all. He said nothing fresh and exciting there.

I can't remember any dialogue from Alien movie. But I remember one-liners and monologues which were tied to situations.
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subversus said:
indeed! that's not about writing, that's about how he says it.

I think it's one of my favourite scenes in Alien. This and the one when Ripley screams at Mother.
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Ok, so it's your favorite scene and it has nothing 'fresh and exciting'. That alone is an utterly ridiculous thing to say, but you're also contradicting yourself.

Anyway. What we're seeing here is a combination of a fantastic performance and splendid writing. This should be completely obvious to anyone.
 
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Busty

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subversus said:
well, I don't think it's your business how I waste my time but thanks, your advice is appreciated. If you don't like reading what I write here or you find it offensive to your senses, there is an option to put a user into ignore list in your control panel.
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*shrugs shoulders*

Fair enough. I tried.

Though I do appreciate the reasonable response.
 
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Morn

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Not sure if posted, but the entire plot leaked. Spoils the entire movie, confirms rumors:

PROMETHEUS

CAST
Elizabeth Shaw...Noomi Rapace
Rayden Holloway...Logan Marshall-Green
Meredith Vickers...Charlize Theron
David 4.0...Michael Fassbender
Jeremiah Janek...Idris Elba
Theo Zedmore...Guy Pearce
Logan...Ben Foster
Ravel...Benedict Wong
Chance...Emun Elliot
Mudow...Kate Dickie
Yuri...Rafe Spall
Aldrich...Frank Kelly
Francis...Sean Harris
Siena...Tal Berkovich
Lettap...James Payton
Tembrook...Tuppence Middleton


Earth. The beginnings of our world. In an opening montage, we watch as our primordial planet is terraformed and bioformed by seemingly all-powerful, Godlike alien entities…the ENGINEERS. The seeds of life are introduced to Earth for the first time by these fantastic extra-terrestrials, who have the power to create and manipulate both mechanical and biological matter at will. The montage ends as the earliest genetic recipe for life is sent forth from the Engineers’ massive, towering CITADEL in the dark desert.

The desolate desert of Africa: 2085. The prehistoric ruins of the Engineers’ Citadel is discovered by a corporate construction team tasked with building a nuclear-powered comm-array in the wilderness. Amidst the ancient remains are found highly advanced, biomechanical relics with are determined to be of extra-terrestrial origin. This catches the attention of the mega-conglomerate WEYLAND-YUTANI CORPOTATION, who finances a massive archaeological excavation of the citadel in the hopes of reverse-engineering the alien biotech for financial gain. Running the operation is MEREDITH VICKERS, a cold, calculating corporate executive, who recruits intelligent and independent astrophysicist DR. ELIZABETH SHAW to head up the research team. Assisting Dr. Shaw are xenoarchaeologist DR. THEO ZEDMORE and her fellow astrophysicist DR. LOGAN. Shaw uncovers the secret of the citadel when she discovers a chamber of star charts, which seem to lead the way to the home planet of the Engineers. Also uncovered is evidence suggesting that the Engineers had a database of all life on Earth, and may even have been responsible for its creation including Man.

In a partially-submerged MANHATTAN, Vickers meets with Dr. Shaw and an OPO, (Off-Planet-Officer), CAPTAIN JERAMIAH JANEK, and plans a space mission following the discovered star charts in an effort to find and make first contact with the Engineers. For the scientists and explorers onboard, it will be a journey of discovery, but for Vickers, it’s merely a way of obtaining new technology so that Weyland-Yutani may retain the lead in the competitive race to establish colonies off-world.

The depths of space: 2090. A highly-advanced, top-of-the-line ISRV (Interstellar Research Vessel) PROMETHEUS decelerates as it reaches its target solar system. The vessel’s crew emerges from their cryo-chambers. Along with Elizabeth Shaw, Theo Zedmore, Logan, Meredith Vickers, and Captain Janek, the crew of the Prometheus is comprised of: First Officer MUDOW, Security Officer RAYDEN HOLLOWAY, Navigator CHANCE, Helm Officer RAVEL, Operations Android DAVID 4.0, Political Officer ALDRICH, Medical Officer FRANCIS, Engineer YURI, and Technical Officers SIENA, LETTUP, and TEMBROOK. The crew gets acclimated to their removal from cryo-sleep, their muscles in atrophy from five years without use. Holloway assists Shaw in her physical therapy exercises.

The crew prepares for arrival at the home planet of the Engineers. Shaw and Holloway are instantly attracted to each other, initiating a romantic relationship. However, as they enter the Zeta 2 Reticuli star system, Prometheus encounters a massive disturbance which hadn’t appeared on scanners, one even more powerful than a black hole: a wormhole in space. Prometheus is sucked into the wormhole, and after a harrowing ride, emerges on the other end. The ship crashes on a barren planet, which the damaged computer system identifies as the mission’s final destination.

The crew sets about attempting to repair the Prometheus, while Elizabeth Shaw leads a recon expedition to investigate nearby structures, which turn out to be a cavernous Engineer temple. Inside the temple, Shaw’s team encounters a bizarre BIO-BRAIN, a biomechanical humanoid face set within a towering pillar, as well as thousands of seemingly primitive URNS. David takes several of the urns back to the vessel for analysis.

Investigating the urns, David discovers that they contain the genetic material for thousands of species within a viscous liquid called BIOFORMER which can rewrite any living organism on a cellular level. Basically, possession of the substance gives its owner the power to create life. Vickers interacts with David and seemingly innocently leads to the Bioformer infecting David through a cut in his finger.

Within the depths of the Temple, we find several living Engineers who discover the transgression of the Humans, and remotely rewrite the stolen Bioformer to make it into a weapon. The Engineers capture Holloway and run a number of horrific experiments on him, injecting him with the Bioformer and allowing him to return to the vessel.

Subsequently, the crew of the Prometheus begins to fall victim to the now weaponized substance, as the “carrier” Holloway injects Ravel, Zedmore, Francis, Siena, Lettup, and Tembrook. The victims begin to lose their humanity and slowly transform, experiencing nightmarish visions and hallucinations and making pilgrimages to the depths of the Temple to receive instructions from the Bio-Brain. Holloway, in particular, is resistant to the transformation, fighting against the alien influence with his feelings for Shaw and his responsibilities as security officer. Meanwhile, David finds that the Bioformer is making him into a biological being…making him Human. The crew also finds that their trip through the wormhole took them back hundreds of millions of years and they are actually stranded on primordial Earth, having moved through space and time.

Eventually, as alien influence and the continued lurking presence of the Engineers becomes clear, the crew of the Prometheus turns on each other as the infected human victims fully mutate into PROTOFORMS: vicious, skeletal alien monstrosities which proceed to assault the unaffected Human crew through the halls of the Prometheus.

Mudow, Logan, Chance, Aldrich, Yuri, and Janek end up being destroyed by the Protoforms. In a strange, erotic ceremony, the Protoforms seemingly mate with the Bio-Brain and each other to create thousands of EGGS, the first of a new generation of the monsters. Meredith Vickers is revealed to be a sleeper CONSTRUCT of the Engineers, who are still active in their far future and Shaw’s present due to the time-travelling abilities of the wormhole. Vickers was grown in an Engineer lab but escaped, fleeing to Earth while always wanting to her find creators and take their power. The Engineers activate Vickers’ secondary GENE PROGRAMMING, and she transforms into an ALPHA PROTOFORM: the STAR BEAST.

At last, the two remaining crew members, Elizabeth Shaw and David, seek to confront the Engineers in the Temple. The Godlike entities prove to be utterly evil, and David sacrifices himself as he’s dissolved in the LIFE SEED BIOFORMER which is the basic genetic recipe for MAN: the former android David, it turns out, is the basis for all Mankind. Shaw is captured by Holloway, but he regains enough of his humanity to remotely activate an Engineer vessel for Shaw’s escape, then holds the other Protoforms and Engineers at bay. As Shaw escapes, she finds herself in the midst of the initial Engineer terraforming of Earth which we had witnessed in the opening montage, chased by the former Meredith Vickers who is now the gigantic, horrific Star Beast.

Shaw makes to her escape vessel which blasts off for the wormhole, Holloway fighting the Star Beast with both falling into the wormhole and disappearing. An Engineer PILOT detaches from the Temple in a FAMILIAR VESSEL and follows Shaw, but is lost in the wormhole. Shaw emerges above the Earth of her present day; however, she’s deemed insane and responsible for the loss of her expedition and confined to a psychiatric hospital by the Company. It’s implied that there are at least some of those who believe Shaw’s tale, but have silenced her as part of a cover-up.

In the final scene, we see the vessel of the Engineer that was chasing Elizabeth Shaw emerge from the wormhole in the Zeta 2 Reticuli star system, still in the prehistoric past, and crash on a nearby planetoid, the Engineer Pilot helplessly lost and the EGGS in the ship’s cargo hold stirring as something alive moves from within…

The Beginning
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subversus

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Fallout-NL said:
Ok, so it's your favorite scene and it has nothing 'fresh and exciting'. That alone is an utterly ridiculous thing to say, but you're also contradicting yourself.
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I think we have different standarts of "fresh and exciting" in writing. For me "fresh and exciting" is something that I couldn't even think of before I read it/heard it - like a completely new way to look at things or something that pushes my thoughts in some new unexplored direction. What Bishop says serves the only purpose - to teriffy the viewer. It executed brilliantly but let's not pretend that it is Shakespeare.
 
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AdventureRacing

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The first 2 alien movies both have fantastic writing. If they were just plain action i don't think they would be remembered more than any other generic action movie.

The fact that both movies get carried so long without any actions tells you alot.

Fallout-NL said:
Dude...


The writing in Alien is so goddamn good. Ash's monologue on the nature of the alien alone is fucking legendary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxKGxNmWz4
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Love that scene. Also i followed a few links and ended up watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ&feature=related and god damn that scene is amazing. I usually have no problems with horror movies but that scene is pretty unsettling.
 
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Busty

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subversus said:
I think we have different standarts of "fresh and exciting" in writing. For me "fresh and exciting" is something that I couldn't even think of before I read it/heard it - like a completely new way to look at things or something that pushes my thoughts in some new unexplored direction. What Bishop says serves the only purpose - to teriffy the viewer. It executed brilliantly but let's not pretend that it is Shakespeare.
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*bites fist*
 
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Metroid Killer

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The plot shouldn't even be posted here. Even with spoiler tags people could accidentially highlight it and shit. Is it in anyone's interest to read it? Why bring that shit to gaf?
 
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The Elite

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Morn said:
Not sure if posted, but the entire plot leaked. Spoils the entire movie, confirms rumors:
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Plot has a bit of a Halo (not a spoiler at all) feel to it. Just a bit though. I'm sure the atmosphere will be quite different. Those two franchises feed into one another well.
 
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Fallout-NL

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subversus said:
I think we have different standarts of "fresh and exciting" in writing. For me "fresh and exciting" is something that I couldn't even think of before I read it/heard it - like a completely new way to look at things or something that pushes my thoughts in some new unexplored direction. What Bishop says serves the only purpose - to teriffy the viewer. It executed brilliantly but let's not pretend that it is Shakespeare.
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You mean Ash right? I'm not saying anything about Shakespeare. Doesn't mean it's not brilliant writing.

I think it is fresh and exciting when you consider who Ash is. I think his status as android and thus more of an independent observer, allows him a perspective that no one else on the ship can (or want to) see. Furthermore, the wording by which he chooses to share that perspective is beautiful. It evokes a very strong response in me.
 
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Replicant

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I've only read bits and pieces and basically it confirms the basic outline of the story that was leaked months ago. I am glad I didn't read the entire summary but before reading this, I was wondering why Nostromo
never heard anything about this and now it's understandable because it involves time travel back to the past
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Awesome. Totally psyched for it now.
 
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Veidt

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Morn said:
Yea and it also features something Scott cut from the original Alien as a big plot element
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okay. I did not want to read that.. :(
you should put that in spoiler tags to avoid anyone else accidentally getting spoiled.
 
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jett said:
Ridley Scott is producing the movie under his own production company. If he really wanted an R rating, he'd get an R rating.

Protip: he doesn't want an R rating.
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It's all money. He wants to guarantee the financiers get their money back. It's why he does so many director's cuts. He knows movies live on in home video not in theatrical runs so he doesn't seem to care. But this is one he should fight for, being 3D and all. Most people aren't going to be able to see his preferred R-rated 3D version for a while.
 
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The plot is FAKE. It was posed by a guy on IMDB back in august. He even said it's not real, just his own version of it based on what was revealed so far.
 
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Metroid Killer said:
The plot shouldn't even be posted here. Even with spoiler tags people could accidentially highlight it and shit. Is it in anyone's interest to read it? Why bring that shit to gaf?
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If you accidentally highlight the big wall of text and read it that's your fault IMO.

Spoilers should be properly marked though. Even in bold.


Truant said:
The plot is FAKE. It was posed by a guy on IMDB back in august. He even said it's not real, just his own version of it based on what was revealed so far.
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It's sad that I liked it.
 
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subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
Fallout-NL said:
You mean Ash right? I'm not saying anything about Shakespeare. Doesn't mean it's not brilliant writing.

I think it is fresh and exciting when you consider who Ash is. I think his status as android and thus more of an independent observer, allows him a perspective that no one else on the ship can (or want to) see. Furthermore, the wording by which he chooses to share that perspective is beautiful. It evokes a very strong response in me.
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yes, I definitely agree with this. But what you are talking about sounds like execution to me, not the essence. Ash talks like an android. He is a machine, he is detached. He presents cold truth not diluted by any human illusion which is born out of fear, desire and other emotions - everything that makes human mind in what it is. He just puts it like it is thus creating a sense of inevitability because a machine can't lie.

But how was it done? Brilliantly:

1)He uses appropriate words which sound like something out of status report - devoid of any personal feeling about the situation - the feeling a machine can't have but able to emulate if it's programmed to do this. When he describes the Alien he describes it like it could be described in some textbook. When Lambert says he admires the Alien she's wrong - he can't admire everything but as a machine he can draw logical conclusions based on available data about the world and surroundings - and this can sound like admiration to the emoional human because it's in the nature of human mind to colour everthing with some emotion or any other equivalent of perception. In this case Alien is a perfect predator and thus it terrifies humans.
2)His tone is passive. He is neither agressive, nor submissive. A perfect machine voice, not artificially overplayed.
3)Contrast between him and humans around him is glaring. He looks to be in a better position even though he is only one and destroyed while there are a few of humans surrounding him and they are full of life (yet). He somehow serves as sign of what comes to them.



But what is the essence of what he says?

He says that predatory animals are merciless by their nature and there is nothing that can stop them except better, more strong, more cunning, more intelligent animal. And that's what movie is about, at least to me. and there is nothing unusual, fresh, exciting or revelatory about this line of thought. Survival is a mundane thing unless it's presented as good as in this movie.
 
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Metroid Killer

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DoctorWho said:
If you accidentally highlight the big wall of text and read it that's your fault IMO.
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Of course highlighting them would be my own wrong-doing. I was mainly talking about the reason to bring such content to this thread? It always ends up spoiling something to someone. The user even managed to fuck it up in his very next post:

Veidt said:
okay. I did not want to read that.. :(
you should put that in spoiler tags to avoid anyone else accidentally getting spoiled.
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So it was fake, no harm done. But once the real thing is leaked do we really want to bring the discussion in here? Would probably be better off creating a Spoiler thread (see gaming side politics)
 
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subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
Tedesco! said:
lol. From all the quotable lines from Aliens, you pick that one? Nice.
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yeah, considering that it was the last thing she said before her death it says a lot about her personality and perception of death which isn't surprising bearing in mind her profession but a nice touch nonetheless.
 
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Jarmel

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LOLOLOLOLOL

"It's ending" Wow, somebody should have noticed that.

Anyway not sure what to make of the trailer, it seems like the Aliens are indeed a part of it but I'm not sure if they're going to be the driving force in the movie.
 
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FoneBone

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jett said:
Ridley Scott is producing the movie under his own production company. If he really wanted an R rating, he'd get an R rating.

Protip: he doesn't want an R rating.
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While it may be true that he doesn't want an R-rating, I don't think you have any clue what a producer does.

Protip: It doesn't mean that you don't answer to the studio
 
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jett

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FoneBone said:
While it may be true that he doesn't want an R-rating, I don't think you have any clue what a producer does.

Protip: It doesn't mean that you don't answer to the studio
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I know he has to answer to the studio, but what I mean is that he has enough clout and power that if he wanted an R rating he'd get one. He just doesn't give a shit, just like Kingdom of Heaven. He chopped up that movie like a piece of meat instead of fighting for the original cut. At least this one will be PG-13 from the get-go.
 
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