Well it would make perfect sense, hope it's Wii U rather than 3DS though
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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Well it would make perfect sense, hope it's Wii U rather than 3DS though
Super Smash Bro
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Bold Ace Attorney 5?
Also, I seemed to be off about Sakurai--I knew he hated making sequels but, upon further epreview, it was apparently more Kirby related than anything.
StreetsAhead
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Oh, right. Platform isn't announced yet, right?
I think they are technically still a 3rd party, but they've yet to make anything not published by Nintendo.
That's what wondering, but Nintendo seems to have that type of relationship with some odd partners like Monster, Next Level Games and think there's like one or two more.
Monster is 2nd party now, so they can only make games on Nintendo systems, NLG is definitely 3rd party though. They are also pretty close with some 3rd parties in Japan, like Grezzo. Good-Feel might be 2nd party now but I'm honestly not sure.
I believe Good Feel has four out of nine games published by Nintendo. The other projects are educational titles on the DS published by Education Network and Benesse Corporation.
Damn, now the Ace Attorney prediction came true.
I hope a new Yoshi game isn't a joke like Epic Yarn...
Well at least Good-Feel would perfect the art style, in HD on Wii U a new Yoshi's Island from them might just be the most beautiful game ever made.
Yeah, it would definitely look great.
But I wouldn't want such beautiful assets to go to waste on a shallow game >_>
I wish EAD would collaborate with them on it.
Graphics: Good-Feel
Gameplay: EAD
It would make their games so much better.
http://voices.yahoo.com/four-reasons-wii-may-fail-why-nintendos-console-105349.html
Saw this posted over on n4g, and its an interesting look.. since it seems to be some of the same things people are pointing out before the Wii U's 2nd reveal.
Saw this posted over on n4g, and its an interesting look.. since it seems to be some of the same things people are pointing out before the Wii U's 2nd reveal.
The name? Seriously?
I hope this console lives up to it's potential, but certain things have me a bit concerned. I get the vibe that the Wii died unexpectedly for Nintendo and they're potentially in a rush without thinking each element through. There might or might not be solutions I'm not thinking of, but just dumb observations that I'm saying out loud:
Wii Tablet "Streaming" - A big selling point seems to be the ability to stream the entire game to the tablet to play with the TV off. Yet a big reason Nintendo wanted a touch screen in the first place was for DS style innovations (touch play and duel screens). These two philosophies don't intersect properly in my imagination. For example: Any game wanting to use the second screen (inventory, play books, drawing on puzzles) also has to program around not doing that because of streaming, potentially limiting creativity.
Wii Tablet's shoulder buttons - apparently they aren't analog, but some GC games that I assume would enter the e-Shop used them in semi-important ways (F Zero GX turning, Mario Sunshine squirting). Minor point maybe but possibly an oversight... I can envision new Wii U games (racing especially) making use of analog triggers.
Multi-player gaming (offline) - This seems more complicated than it should be, apparently because another tablet is gonna be hella expensive and therefore most won't have a second. So player 1 uses a tablet, yet player 2 uses a Wii Remote? Those are pretty different set-ups. Player 2 would either have Wii motions OR be hooked to a classic controller without motion (or a touch screen). Designing around these scenarios would mostly be possible probably, but this doesn't immediately strike me as user (or developer) friendly. i.e. "I need what to play what?" and "How do you do that move with my controller?"
Wii Tablet "Streaming" - A big selling point seems to be the ability to stream the entire game to the tablet to play with the TV off. Yet a big reason Nintendo wanted a touch screen in the first place was for DS style innovations (touch play and duel screens). These two philosophies don't intersect properly in my imagination. For example: Any game wanting to use the second screen (inventory, play books, drawing on puzzles) also has to program around not doing that because of streaming, potentially limiting creativity.
Wii Tablet's shoulder buttons - apparently they aren't analog, but some GC games that I assume would enter the e-Shop used them in semi-important ways (F Zero GX turning, Mario Sunshine squirting). Minor point maybe but possibly an oversight... I can envision new Wii U games (racing especially) making use of analog triggers.
Multi-player gaming (offline) - This seems more complicated than it should be, apparently because another tablet is gonna be hella expensive and therefore most won't have a second. So player 1 uses a tablet, yet player 2 uses a Wii Remote? Those are pretty different set-ups. Player 2 would either have Wii motions OR be hooked to a classic controller without motion (or a touch screen). Designing around these scenarios would mostly be possible probably, but this doesn't immediately strike me as user (or developer) friendly. i.e. "I need what to play what?" and "How do you do that move with my controller?"
I remember a lot of negative reactions to the name, even after the system was out.
I think people... just assumed no one would take it seriously.
And well video game is full of a lot of people who find potty humor funny...
Well I enjoy a good Wii joke as well
I think Nintendo will effectively counter 2 points with no trouble (bad graphics now the best at the time of release, gimmicky controls now entirely optional due to traditional set-up), 1 is a maybe (3rd parties) and 1 is a "who cares" (the name).
Mainly posted because I'm annoyed when Nintendo is blamed for the Mattel Power Glove.
edit: Just noticed it's talking about the original wii and was posted in 2006, ha! Same issues mostly apply for Wii U though
Very unlikely.
StreetsAhead
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It's possible we'll hear something from GDC, or announced about that time. Probably about the hardware features (NFC), or services (NiN). Don't be getting your hopes up.
We'll also probably have a Nintendo Direct by the end of March, too, for Q1 stuff (more puzzles for 3DS please!)
bgassassin
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Nice post, but you won't be seeing Wii hardware in Wii U. It's an unnecessary cost.
So you think Nintendo will go with software emulation for GameCube and Wii titles? We know the system is 100% backwards compatible with Wii and I don't think software emulation would give that level of certainty.
We could get some Wii U news out of GDC just obviously no megaton announcements. We could hear some more info about Nintendo's online plans and stuff of that nature.
That's part of the appeal I guess lol, but I personally prefer NN also.
Grampa Simpson
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Should be very close to 100%. There isn't really much in the way of emulation anyway. Same instructions set and all. The biggest thing that might have to happen would be a translation layer for the GPU. Technically fairly tough, but given that they have all the reference documentation, the only hard parts are the ones that don't have exact 1-to-1 translations.
It's like playing DOS games in something like DOSBOX.
Emulation only becomes really interesting here if they try and do anything interesting like change the resolution a game is displayed at.
SquiddyCracker
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1) I agree with you on this point, but I guess it's not too big of a challenge to throw the touch screen stuff into a minimized square/transparent overlay when playing using the Wii U screen as the main screen.
2) No excuse here for Nintendo, they hold the patent rights for their GC analog buttons - which were pretty amazing!
3) I think that this will be less of a problem really. Either multiplayer modes will be asymmetrical, in which case it's no problem if player 1 has a tablet and player 2 to 5 use Wii Remotes/Classic controllers; or they are symmetrical and players 1-4 use a Wii Remote/Classic Controller while the Wii Tablet might perhaps be used as a scoreboard or something similar?
You're definitely need to find a source for all that. I do remember some comments about the early level designs for DKCR, but its not exactly like what you've written. I've just looked over the Iwata Asks and your Mario Kart 7 statements are outright false. They talk specifically about Retro's design in one of the Iwata Asks, praising it and even show examples. We can see for ourselves that those do not look like what you describe.
There's been a lot of jaded revisionism in the last few pages of the thread about Retro's past. Nothing I have found suggests that Nintendo holds Retro in anything but the utmost highest regard as a development team and as an equal.
So I decided to take a posting break, since my job was getting the better of me anyways, so I got a LOT to reply to... sorry....
I actually disagree with this. The reason exclusives became unfeasible is because this generation was everything last gen WASN'T. The only hardware leader this gen was the Wii, and no one knew how to TOUCH it because there was nothing remotely traditional about it. And the 360 and PS3 basically divided the market in half in NA and Europe, with Japan left to figure out what to do with all the money they invested backing the PS3 essentially going down the tube for the first 4 years of the console's life. It was a giant MESS, so multi-platform for the HD consoles was the ONLY way to make things better.
But we're not walking into that situation this time. This time, we're walking into a generation with Nintendo coming out first, in full fighting spirit. With all we already know, 3rd parties finally have an opt-out on motion controls, HD hardware AND an online platform to work with. It's also first out of the gate.
So while western devs may still multi-plat as they have for EVERY generation since the dawn of time, Japan's development world will likely side with Nintendo, and thus the exclusive will be reborn.
Japan more than any other region usually only picks one pony to bet on. Given Nintendo's current track record and having a console that removes all the previous barriers to entry, I feel confident in saying that horserace has already been decided.
Mark my words. The exclusive will return.
If they were to add hard drives, they'd go for SSDs for the speed advantage. But they're bloody expensive. The other problem is non-NAND hard drives have crap reliability, and I doubt Nintendo would want to release hardware with an unreliable component like that. Not making one allows them to absolve responsibility for it. As long as Nintendo Network allows redownloading via your purchase history, I see no problem there.
And actually, iSuppli still lists even 16GB of NAND flash as costing $20. Mind you, that's the stuff in the iPhone, they could probably get costs down with a type that has slower data access speeds.
I expected no less from Giant Bomb. It baffles me how people love them here when I get more from reading GAF, both intellectually and news-wise, than I ever have from them.
This... is interesting. I've had this theory that, by introducing asymmetrical multiplayer, Nintendo wants to do away with AI support characters whenever possible. You see everyone complain about how completely useless helper AIs are, so... yeah, just saying that this will be a talk to watch for, I think.
I called Dragon Quest X going to WiiU when GAF's Dragon Quest Defense Force said that we'd fly into the SUN before we ever saw a Dragon Quest on an unproven platform.
And I'm going to call something else... FFVersusXIII is going to come to WiiU, and it will revive interest in the series. Coupled with use of Luminous Engine and a shortening of the production cycle, the series will come back from the dead.
Calling it.
Well, considering the team-up with Microsoft didn't work well for them, I hope to see many more amazing things from Sakaguchi and Nintendo. I say they should re-do The Last Story for WiiU and give it another try at a fan base.
I actually disagree with this. The reason exclusives became unfeasible is because this generation was everything last gen WASN'T. The only hardware leader this gen was the Wii, and no one knew how to TOUCH it because there was nothing remotely traditional about it. And the 360 and PS3 basically divided the market in half in NA and Europe, with Japan left to figure out what to do with all the money they invested backing the PS3 essentially going down the tube for the first 4 years of the console's life. It was a giant MESS, so multi-platform for the HD consoles was the ONLY way to make things better.
But we're not walking into that situation this time. This time, we're walking into a generation with Nintendo coming out first, in full fighting spirit. With all we already know, 3rd parties finally have an opt-out on motion controls, HD hardware AND an online platform to work with. It's also first out of the gate.
So while western devs may still multi-plat as they have for EVERY generation since the dawn of time, Japan's development world will likely side with Nintendo, and thus the exclusive will be reborn.
Japan more than any other region usually only picks one pony to bet on. Given Nintendo's current track record and having a console that removes all the previous barriers to entry, I feel confident in saying that horserace has already been decided.
Mark my words. The exclusive will return.
see this sucks because sony and MS will have HDD and this will put WiiU on the backfoot as far as ports and optimized versions
If they were to add hard drives, they'd go for SSDs for the speed advantage. But they're bloody expensive. The other problem is non-NAND hard drives have crap reliability, and I doubt Nintendo would want to release hardware with an unreliable component like that. Not making one allows them to absolve responsibility for it. As long as Nintendo Network allows redownloading via your purchase history, I see no problem there.
And actually, iSuppli still lists even 16GB of NAND flash as costing $20. Mind you, that's the stuff in the iPhone, they could probably get costs down with a type that has slower data access speeds.
I expected no less from Giant Bomb. It baffles me how people love them here when I get more from reading GAF, both intellectually and news-wise, than I ever have from them.
Rösti;34856140 said:
This... is interesting. I've had this theory that, by introducing asymmetrical multiplayer, Nintendo wants to do away with AI support characters whenever possible. You see everyone complain about how completely useless helper AIs are, so... yeah, just saying that this will be a talk to watch for, I think.
I called Dragon Quest X going to WiiU when GAF's Dragon Quest Defense Force said that we'd fly into the SUN before we ever saw a Dragon Quest on an unproven platform.
And I'm going to call something else... FFVersusXIII is going to come to WiiU, and it will revive interest in the series. Coupled with use of Luminous Engine and a shortening of the production cycle, the series will come back from the dead.
Calling it.
Well, considering the team-up with Microsoft didn't work well for them, I hope to see many more amazing things from Sakaguchi and Nintendo. I say they should re-do The Last Story for WiiU and give it another try at a fan base.
I think around E3 someone suggested that you can still play dual screen games without the TV, simply by having a split screen on the controller itself. That would work I think.
How about N2?
That sounds kinda shitty. Stuff would be way too small.
You're definitely need to find a source for all that. I do remember some comments about the early level designs for DKCR, but its not exactly like what you've written. I've just looked over the Iwata Asks and your Mario Kart 7 statements are outright false. They talk specifically about Retro's design in one of the Iwata Asks, praising it and even show examples. We can see for ourselves that those do not look like what you describe.
There's been a lot of jaded revisionism in the last few pages of the thread about Retro's past. Nothing I have found suggests that Nintendo holds Retro in anything but the utmost highest regard as a development team and as an equal.
Exactly. People need to learn to cite sources.
Probably true. Software emulation shouldn't be as problematic as some think. Comparisons to Dolphin in particular aren't really relevant considering the Wii U hardware will be much better suited to the task than the multitude of far-from-ideal hardware configurations Dolphin has to work with.
I don't understand why this is an issue if the GPU instructions are being translated anyway. Wouldn't it only be an issue for games that read from the framebuffer expecting a scene at the game's own defined resolution? Why not just render two scenes? A native "reference buffer" as well as a hi res buffer to be outputted which the game logic doesn't even know exists. Maybe I'm overlooking something really obvious though.
You're definitely need to find a source for all that. I do remember some comments about the early level designs for DKCR, but its not exactly like what you've written. I've just looked over the Iwata Asks and your Mario Kart 7 statements are outright false. They talk specifically about Retro's design in one of the Iwata Asks, praising it and even show examples. We can see for ourselves that those do not look like what you describe.
There's been a lot of jaded revisionism in the last few pages of the thread about Retro's past. Nothing I have found suggests that Nintendo holds Retro in anything but the utmost highest regard as a development team and as an equal.
That is exactly what I was describing. Does that look like Mario Kart to you? Or Uncharted Chart?
Yeah, but it would still be better than if you can't play some games without the TV if they require both screens simultaneously. If a game uses the controller screen only for maps or inventories that could easily be mapped to either the plus or minus button.
I hope for a Gamecube Classic Controller for all these downloadable HD classics.
nintendors
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Two Qs:
- What are the chances of the WiiU controller being used as TV remote since it has IR port ?? I mean this would make ppl lives way to easy,,its just an app to use ,I used to have it on my old Nokia cell
-At the end of that WiiU E3 video , the Controller was "clearly" been positioned on some kind of cradle ,,,will Nintendo be smart enough to let that Cradle support both USB and Power outlet ? if I want to play on my bed I dont want to have that looong USB connected from my WiiU,,I want to just plug it to the plug next to my bed
- What are the chances of the WiiU controller being used as TV remote since it has IR port ?? I mean this would make ppl lives way to easy,,its just an app to use ,I used to have it on my old Nokia cell
-At the end of that WiiU E3 video , the Controller was "clearly" been positioned on some kind of cradle ,,,will Nintendo be smart enough to let that Cradle support both USB and Power outlet ? if I want to play on my bed I dont want to have that looong USB connected from my WiiU,,I want to just plug it to the plug next to my bed
Mmm... It could turn that way if Wii U has enough success. Interesting predictions.
Two Qs:
- What are the chances of the WiiU controller being used as TV remote since it has IR port ?? I mean this would make ppl lives way to easy,,its just an app to use ,I used to have it on my old Nokia cell
-At the end of that WiiU E3 video , the Controller was "clearly" been positioned on some kind of cradle ,,,will Nintendo be smart enough to let that Cradle support both USB and Power outlet ? if I want to play on my bed I dont want to have that looong USB connected from my WiiU,,I want to just plug it to the plug next to my bed
I think a core idea of WiiU is that it becomes the living room controller. They've already mentioned tv guide / karaoke-booth style functionality (and the original Wii can control your tv. via the sensor bar in Japan in conjunction with their tv guide channel). Look at Wii in Japan as a practise run and the WiiU controller seems likely to have tv guide, maps, weather, delivery food services, Nintendo home shopping network, and specially commissioned exclusive TV shows.
WTF man they're concept art, they're always going to look different to the final design and Nintendo used some of these as new tracks in the final game. The picture to the far right looks a lot like one of the tracks we got in the final game too!
Also I remember the quote from Retro, they said that the first batch of Donkey Kong concept art that their artists came up with felt too much like Metroid Prime in its designs and they had to work hard on making sure they got rid of all of that. Their art team had been working on Metroid Prime for almost a decade, they will have a certain style after that much time on the same kind of game and they did well to come up with what they did for DKCR.
They did the above on their own with Nintendo overseeing the progress. On the other hand, EAD came up with NSMBWii. Which art team would you say is worthy of more critique? Retro's? or EAD's?
Retro are a very capable studio working on titles that they've never worked on before with relatively quick development time (DKCR and MK7) that have a style already in place and you're comparing them to teams who work on these franchises year in year out. It's always going to take time to adjust. If Retro are developing their own IP then we'll see their creativity shine.
Retro Studio's are a top tier Nintendo development studio. They are supervised like any other Nintendo development team. Even the Zelda team is supervised and changes are made by Miyamoto all the time. So your arguments are quite weak. I will say that not everything Retro touches will automatically turn to gold like some suggest but you are really not giving them enough credit.
Actually most of those look near identical to the tracks in the game, so what are you talking about?
What?
First, how can they NOT look like MK? Those are Rosalina's Ice World and DK Jungle.
Second, did you read what was quoted?
Morimoto said:
Be careful: although much maligned on GAF, there is a genius behind the carefully designed and balanced nostalgic patterned simplicity of NSMBWii's style of art.
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