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Venfayth

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Friend just showed me this combo:

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http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=389543

Apparently I'm missing something. According to the way that article talks about it, it's like once you get both out, the cursed player can never cast any spells from their hand. But wouldn't they be able to cast a single spell per turn?
 
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kirblar

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Hero said:
If he blocked Inferno Titan would've essentially wiped his board. He only knew of one Galvanic Blast. Criticizing him for not anticipating 3x Galvanic Blast is kind of ridiculous.
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It was a misplay. Kibler would have had to tap out to play Inferno Titan due to his Snapcaster'd Mana Leak, and thus wouldn't be able to use his Combust in hand. Jon would have had enough damage with the Drogskol pump to win that turn. (The only thing Jon couldn't play around was Inferno Titan baiting leak into a Slagstorm, but in that case, Kibler would have just played Slagstorm first anyway, to play around Mana Leak.
 
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ultron87

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kirblar said:
Guile Theme Goes With Everything: Kibler Edition
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I would've done it with the double Whipflare.

Venfayth said:
Friend just showed me this combo:

Apparently I'm missing something. According to the way that article talks about it, it's like once you get both out, the cursed player can never cast any spells from their hand. But wouldn't they be able to cast a single spell per turn?
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The first spell you cast gets exiled by the Knowledge Pool. This uses up your one casted spell for the turn. Since you have to actually "cast" the exiled spell you can't. If it said something like "put an exiled card into play" or something like that you wouldn't be locked down.
 
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Venfayth

Member
ultron87 said:
I would've done it with the double Whipflare.
The first spell you cast gets exiled by the Knowledge Pool. This uses up your one casted spell for the turn. Since you have to actually "cast" the exiled spell you can't. If it said something like "put an exiled card into play" or something like that you wouldn't be locked down.
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Oh, so since it gets exiled, it never happens. I see.

Pretty nasty combo then, unless you have something in your graveyard that can flashback to get rid of one of the parts.
 
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y2dvd

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So did I see Finkel double mana leak a spell, forcing Kibler to pay 6 to resolve? If so, I didn't know you can stack the mana leak like that. Also, dat double whip flare and triple galvantic blast! No way Finkel could've anticipated that.
 
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Hero

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kirblar said:
It was a misplay. Kibler would have had to tap out to play Inferno Titan due to his Snapcaster'd Mana Leak, and thus wouldn't be able to use his Combust in hand. Jon would have had enough damage with the Drogskol pump to win that turn. (The only thing Jon couldn't play around was Inferno Titan baiting leak into a Slagstorm, but in that case, Kibler would have just played Slagstorm first anyway, to play around Mana Leak.
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Saying it was a misplay is one thing but saying Finkel punted the match is pretty disrespectful. There was no way he could've known about triple Galvanic Blast and got stuck in a shitty situation.
 
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kirblar

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Hero said:
Saying it was a misplay is one thing but saying Finkel punted the match is pretty disrespectful. There was no way he could've known about triple Galvanic Blast and got stuck in a shitty situation.
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It's not disrespectful. He punted. That's the lesson here- even the best of us screw up. The term implies no disrepect.

He didn't know about it, but it was one of the only ways possible for him to lose that match, and he failed to recognize the threat.

Tim Aten breaks down the thought process here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tim-aten/finkel-should-have-blocked/10150512437751362
 
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kirblar

Member
y2dvd said:
So did I see Finkel double mana leak a spell, forcing Kibler to pay 6 to resolve? If so, I didn't know you can stack the mana leak like that. Also, dat double whip flare and triple galvantic blast! No way Finkel could've anticipated that.
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Whenever a spell or ability resolves, both players have the ability to play more spells or abilities before the next spell down resolves. Abilities resolve in a "Last In First Out" order, so you can wait to see if they've paid the first one before casting your second.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Eugh, Knowledge Pool. I ran that card in a six player EDH game once. Three hours later we all forfeited and I promised never to play it again.
 
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Dreavus

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I find myself playing more and more EDH casually recently when I get the chance to play with some buddies, the games just get so ridiculous especially if you are doing something crazy like 5-player star. I love putting together decks where I only need 1 of any given card, since I feel like when I get an awesome new card I can use it to it's "fullest potential" (in the format) without having to look for 3 more copies. I have a Thraximundar, Oona, and Jenara deck. They're most likely pretty bad by most standards but they seem to compete well enough in my group. It's mostly the mana bases that are shaky.

I like that Wizards finally did something with EDH, but I also resent them a little bit for the power of the pre-constructed decks + their generals. I don't want the decks to be bad or anything, but most of the generals are uber synergistic and seem under costed for what they can do (compared to run-of-the-mill legendary creature-turned-general from set X). For example the extent of the interaction Thrax can have with sacrifice mechanics seems paltry (given his cost and everything else) compared to the counter shenanigans of Ghave only because he was specifically designed to be a general. Do you guys see what I mean? I'm not complaining that it's too good or anything, the crazy specifically designed synergies just irks me a bit for some reason.

Comparing decks directly is probably a case of apples and oranges on my part... I still gotta be thankful that we got decks like these at all though: if they hadn't come out my friends and I likely wouldn't even be playing the format right now.
 
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divisionbyzorro

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kirblar said:
It's not disrespectful. He punted. That's the lesson here- even the best of us screw up. The term implies no disrepect.

He didn't know about it, but it was one of the only ways possible for him to lose that match, and he failed to recognize the threat.

Tim Aten breaks down the thought process here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tim-aten/finkel-should-have-blocked/10150512437751362
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I think 'punted' isn't the right term; that implies a conscious decision to give us control. My guess is that he was just mentally tired. He had to work his ass off to stay in the match against a deck that was a really bad matchup for him. He had kept the match in control, finally got himself in the dominant position, and he let off the gas because he thought he could coast across the finish line. It was a needless mistake; even though he clearly thought he didn't need the two life (he didn't even really consider blocking), he didn't need the token either.

Of course, if I was piloting his deck, I wouldn't have won a single game, so I shouldn't say too much.
 
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WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's time for WanderingWind's quarterly card cull!

If you're a beginner at Magic, or would just like to get started, send me a PM. I have a metric ton of cards to give away for free.(you pay the 3-4 bucks for shipping though)

It's not a scam or anything, it's basically a two prong thing. When I restarted a ton of people ITT were very generous. Also, my wife won't let me buy any more cards until I'm rid of what I got!

I will work with you on colors, deck building lists, etc. PM me!
 
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kirblar

Member
divisionbyzorro said:
I think 'punted' isn't the right term; that implies a conscious decision to give us control. My guess is that he was just mentally tired. He had to work his ass off to stay in the match against a deck that was a really bad matchup for him. He had kept the match in control, finally got himself in the dominant position, and he let off the gas because he thought he could coast across the finish line. It was a needless mistake; even though he clearly thought he didn't need the two life (he didn't even really consider blocking), he didn't need the token either.

Of course, if I was piloting his deck, I wouldn't have won a single game, so I shouldn't say too much.
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Punted's used informally in the pro/semi-pro community to mean "threw away a game he should have won." It's not the exact meaning it has in football.
 
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narcosis219

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WanderingWind said:
It's time for WanderingWind's quarterly card cull!

If you're a beginner at Magic, or would just like to get started, send me a PM. I have a metric ton of cards to give away for free.(you pay the 3-4 bucks for shipping though)

It's not a scam or anything, it's basically a two prong thing. When I restarted a ton of people ITT were very generous. Also, my wife won't let me buy any more cards until I'm rid of what I got!

I will work with you on colors, deck building lists, etc. PM me!
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I have a friend who is building a zombie deck and a red/white humans deck who is just starting out (he bought the DA intro decks). It would be cool if we could throw him some cards so he can start to deck build.

We play casual, so anything goes!

EDIT: WAIT A MINUTE, THIS ISN'T A PM! WHOPS LOL
 
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WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The_Technomancer said:
...seriously? I was thinking like Innistrad, maybe Scars. But if you have like...Lorwyn, or Time Spiral or heaven forbid Ravnica...
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I have a ton from Lorwyn, Time Spiral, but nothing really from Ravnica.

And a shit ton from Zendikar to Dark Ascension.

I'm still surprised trading hasn't really taken off ITT. I feel bad giving all the Planeswalkers I get to the card shop, when I know so many of you are looking for them.
 
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Inflammable Slinky

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Working on this deck for standard. First time doing any constructed, but I have so many cards left over from limited that I might as well!

Deck: Zombies on Fire
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//Main
4 Burning Vengeance
4 Desperate Ravings
4 Faithless Looting
4 Dream Twist
3 Increasing Confusion
4 Geistflame
4 Think Twice
4 Silent Departure
4 Gravecrawler
2 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
5 Mountain
5 Island
5 Swamp
2 Drowned Catacomb
2 Dragonskull Summit
4 Sulfur Falls

//Sideboard
4 Shatter
4 Phantasmal Image
2 Mental Misstep

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It's hews pretty close to a pure Burning Vengeance deck, but I have 4 Gravecrawlers for early aggro, and the 2 Grimgrins to let me sac and recast a Gravecrawler over and over again for recurring shocks, and Grimgrin acts as a finisher in a pinch. Mana base is a little bit screwy, but that's something I'll have to tweak as a get some playtesting in.

My only concern is that my deck gets kind of bad if I can't get Burning Vengeance in play, so Oblivion Ring can really ruin my day. Is it possible for me to splash ray of revelation or something?
 
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suffah

Does maths and stuff
Even though I quit paper a while back (except for drafting), I'm still a whore for cards and have decided to buy 1 FBB Dual Land every month until I have a full playset. Sure, it'll take ~3-4 years, but that's part of the fun I guess. :)

Edit: Also very generous of you WW!

January and February

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WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
FreedomFrisbee said:
That's actually a crazy proposition. How might that even work? I just declare I'm looking for something and we go from there?

In that vein, have play groups been organized on gaf before?
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Yeah, why not? We have a pretty good group of people and there is an active Buy, Sell and Trade thread so it's a thing that already happens.

I mean, I have a Sorin, and 2 Swords of War & Peace (1 foil) up for grabs.
 
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y2dvd

Member
Wandering Wind, are you straight up just selling singles? How much are you selling Sorin or a Sword of Ward and Peace for? I got one SoWP but can sure use another one!

Huntmaster went up to $30. I really don't have the cards to build around him so I might trade him with a buddy for a Snapcaster Mage, which has steadily been at $30. My only worry is if Huntmaster will go up or down from here. This part always gets me about trading lol!
 
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WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I don't mind selling either, I suppose. Never really thought of it. I have

- 2 Sword War & Peace (1 foil)
- 2 Snapcasters
- 2 Sorin (new)
- 2 Huntmaster

I don't really know a good source for their value (guessing StarCity?)
 
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Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
Hey guys. Recently rejoined the Magic party after ~12 years of not playing. I must say, there's so many new abilities and strategies that it's all kinda overwhelming. :lol I mean, when I quit playing actively, banding and mana burn were still things, haha. Still though, it's great being back. I've really missed Magic.

It's also kinda surreal to hear people refer to cards that I've never even seen or heard of as "old cards". :lol I have to wonder how people who say that sort of stuff would react to Ice Age and Mirage and Homelands and all that other stuff that was current back when I played. Heh.
 
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Boogiepop

Member
Well, after a turnabout of getting crushed for a while by my roommates flying deck full of spirits and whatnot, I tuned up my White/Green deck a little and it finally works okay (though my other two decks are still pretty sucky.) Really wish I hadn't sworn myself off spending money on Magic, as it's hard to fix things up with limited resources, but I really don't have money to spend on TCGs nowadays.

Edit: Also, just to confirm, but protection from [color] includes your [color] enchantments/targeting instants/abilities as well?
 
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WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Seraphis Cain said:
Hey guys. Recently rejoined the Magic party after ~12 years of not playing. I must say, there's so many new abilities and strategies that it's all kinda overwhelming. :lol I mean, when I quit playing actively, banding and mana burn were still things, haha. Still though, it's great being back. I've really missed Magic.

It's also kinda surreal to hear people refer to cards that I've never even seen or heard of as "old cards". :lol I have to wonder how people who say that sort of stuff would react to Ice Age and Mirage and Homelands and all that other stuff that was current back when I played. Heh.
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LOL. If you check back way, way earlier in the thread I said the same thing. Enjoy the bigass box of cards coming your way!
 
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Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
WanderingWind said:
LOL. If you check back way, way earlier in the thread I said the same thing. Enjoy the bigass box of cards coming your way!
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I'm sure I will man. Thanks a lot! :D I've got a couple decks that need some serious improvement (you can only do so much with a couple of Deckbuilders Kits), so more cards are always welcomed.

Speaking of decks, I was at Walmart last night and they had a couple of Dark Ascension preconstructed decks. Any of them worth picking up at all?
 
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Boogiepop

Member
Seraphis Cain said:
Hey guys. Recently rejoined the Magic party after ~12 years of not playing. I must say, there's so many new abilities and strategies that it's all kinda overwhelming. :lol I mean, when I quit playing actively, banding and mana burn were still things, haha. Still though, it's great being back. I've really missed Magic.

It's also kinda surreal to hear people refer to cards that I've never even seen or heard of as "old cards". :lol I have to wonder how people who say that sort of stuff would react to Ice Age and Mirage and Homelands and all that other stuff that was current back when I played. Heh.
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I think I actually mentioned it somewhere back in the thread, but I was pretty weirded out to learn that the people I'm playing with had no idea who Urza was, and I found the Planeswalker cards baffling.

...also, I have so many big, crappy creatures in some of my decks. I'm running a Krosan Colossus (6GGG for a 9/9, or morph with a 6GG cost to flip over) in my only half good deck with nothing better to replace it with sadly.
 
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ultron87

Member
Mank said:
Edit: Also, just to confirm, but protection from [color] includes your [color] enchantments/targeting instants/abilities as well?
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Pretty much. Something with protection can still be hit by a non-targeted spell and affected by it if it doesn't do damage. The most obvious example being that something with Protection from White still gets blown up by a Day of Judgment.
 
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Zaraki_Kenpachi

Member
The_Technomancer said:
Eugh, Knowledge Pool. I ran that card in a six player EDH game once. Three hours later we all forfeited and I promised never to play it again.
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Try a 10 person multiplayer match. When we hit 14 cards on the initial stack 6 of us agreed to forfeit. That card is ridiculous for multiplayer.

Edit: Wandering Wind, do you happen to have any cards in German?
 
OneEightZero

OneEightZero

aka ThreeOneFour
Inflammable Slinky said:
Working on this deck for standard. First time doing any constructed, but I have so many cards left over from limited that I might as well!

Deck: Zombies on Fire
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//Main
4 Burning Vengeance
4 Desperate Ravings
4 Faithless Looting
4 Dream Twist
3 Increasing Confusion
4 Geistflame
4 Think Twice
4 Silent Departure
4 Gravecrawler
2 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
5 Mountain
5 Island
5 Swamp
2 Drowned Catacomb
2 Dragonskull Summit
4 Sulfur Falls

//Sideboard
4 Shatter
4 Phantasmal Image
2 Mental Misstep

Display deck statistics

It's hews pretty close to a pure Burning Vengeance deck, but I have 4 Gravecrawlers for early aggro, and the 2 Grimgrins to let me sac and recast a Gravecrawler over and over again for recurring shocks, and Grimgrin acts as a finisher in a pinch. Mana base is a little bit screwy, but that's something I'll have to tweak as a get some playtesting in.

My only concern is that my deck gets kind of bad if I can't get Burning Vengeance in play, so Oblivion Ring can really ruin my day. Is it possible for me to splash ray of revelation or something?
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I find these work pretty well in the sideboard for Oblivion Ring:
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Beast Wtihin too. ^_^
 
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Xangel

Neo Member
Turn aside not works to counter oblivion.
The oblivion ring's hability is a CIP (comes into play) hability and when it is the battlefield you can't counter it.

Beast Withing is a valid target for turn aside.
 
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y2dvd

Member
My buddy ran pretty much a mirror deck to the DKA Pro Tour top two finishers. I had a toned down spirits deck. Let's just say I can see why that deck took top 2. @_@
 
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Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
Just picked up Magic again after a long while (I dabbled around Ravnica, never really got into it then) after a few friends got me into an EDH 4-way game that ended up going for 2+ hours.

Needless to say, I went up and picked up one of the Commander box decks to have something to start/tinker with. Kaalia is ridiculous if you can protect her, but unfortunately, the standard deck can't compare to what some of my friends have put together, especially something like a Zedruu enchant lockdown deck that stalled us all out and finally ended the game in a tie, lol.

I think I'm going to have to go find some massive dragons/angels from older sets, or something new like Balefire Dragon. Finding an Iona or white Akroma looks like it's going to be a bitch.

One of my friends was running an Olivia Voldaren, which I thought could be a cool Black/Red vampire tribal deck, but my friends tell me that combination is pretty weak for EDH for its relative lack of artifact/enchantment removal. Given my lack of keeping up with new sets, (Some of the new effects/abilites I'm reading are nuts, btw) are my friends bullshitting me or no?
 
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Boogalogist

Member
I'd have to say that Wizards supporting EDH is one the best decisions they've made. It really brings back old players and casuals.

EDH also made me come back to MtG after 10 years or so....and I'm enjoying it!
 
OneEightZero

OneEightZero

aka ThreeOneFour
Xangel said:
Turn aside not works to counter oblivion.
The oblivion ring's hability is a CIP (comes into play) hability and when it is the battlefield you can't counter it.

Beast Withing is a valid target for turn aside.
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Aww. You've made me sad. *removes from SB*
 
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