I knew it would be this way when Mielke said they were trying to make it more approachable to casuals than Lumines 1.
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I knew it would be this way when Mielke said they were trying to make it more approachable to casuals than Lumines 1.
narcosis219
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Avatar abilities are fine.
Chargable avatar abilities are not fine.
Chargable avatar abilities are not fine.
That would work. Actually I forget but don't timed & master both not have avatar abilities? Still lots of ways to get your high-score fix in.
I don't understand this sentiment. You've done it to yourself.
I mean, I know the trick, but I'm still not gonna do it.
I just play Voyage for the awesome mix of tunes, and my high score is relative to my peers anyway.
If any of my friends have 9,999,999, I'm just gonna ignore them because they are exploiters. Simple, really.
This would be great.
I don't have the game yet, but I don't really like the sound of these avatar abilities. Can you turn them off?
TheExecutive
Member
Was going to come in and brag about my 164,000 score but left shamed and disgraced
Wait, what? I didn't know you could do that.
Lol you make it sound like I thought really hard to come up with the exploit. I didn't even know about avatar ability until my friend told me. It just immediately hit me afterwards. I only ever used avatar ability for 2 of all the games I have played.
My friends' scores while using avatar are a fraction of my score without, so there's no comparison there. I like the tunes so I'll buy the soundtrack. But there's no point comparing my legit score to the global scoreboard because of exploits; therefore I have little reason to spend hours grinding through those sessions.
Wouldn't "classic" Lumines cap the score at 999,999 instead?
Sorry, I thought you were saying you'd got 9,999,999
Hiyo. Am logging in for the first time in 2 years purely for Wario64's benefit, to let him know that I am listening, but have just been slammed after returning from last week's media tour to San Francisco.
Regarding the lack of the Platinum Trophy, Wario64 and the rest of the Internet are correct: There isn't one. I was mistaken about the Platinum, and will explain the lack of one.
When we were formulating the full trophy list, we actually had a *massive* list of possible trophies. There are two trophy types: small scale, and large scale. The scale doesn't seem to have anything to do with the scale or scope of the game (i.e. puzzle game vs. an MMO), it's all down to what the developer chooses to do. Personally I wanted to go large scale, to give people lots of things to try and achieve, from simple score-based achievements, to how many times you could loop the Voyage mode, to countless other variations ranging from simple for newcomers to insane for veterans.
However, after retooling the concept internally, by the time we put our foot on the gas and went into full production, we actually had less than 6 months to complete the game, which despite Lumines being 'just a puzzle game' was actually a tremendous amount of work, because we weren't just dealing with regular milestones, but also various other internal milestones, in which our team was putting in massive amounts of overtime. As I learned during the process, the QA testing period was incredibly detailed --as any tester can attest to-- and the decision was made to go 'small scale' for trophies, because not only would they all need to be individually tested, the more we added, the more things would need to be translated into EFIGS languages, and the more potentially game-breaking bugs could surface; which wasn't worth the risk of missing our ultimate deadline -- Vita launch.
The director of the game --and I'm not trying to assign any sort of blame here-- having looked at the trophy 'rules' for PlayStation 3 games, and saw that Platinums were automatically unlocked by obtaining the rest of the trophies in the game, assumed that it would also be the same with Vita. As our first Vita title, we were learning a lot of things on the fly, and saw no reason to assume there would be any change for Vita trophies (for the record, I haven't checked if automatic Platinums are indeed unlocked on PS3 by this method; it's just the understanding we had at the time). So when people began asking if LES would feature a Platinum trophy, and I asked our director who told me "Yes, we have a Platinum, but it's unlocked automatically once people obtain the rest," and so I answered in kind on the PS Blog where the soundtrack was announced.
As I have since discovered, our information was inaccurate, and I apologize to people who thought they would receive a Platinum. There is no reason we would exclude it, but just didn't realize it wouldn't unlock. The reason I hadn't explicitly said 'you obtain it by unlocking the rest of the trophies' was because we thought people would unlock it automatically, and wanted to retain a small element of pleasant surprise.
I realize that a Platinum is desirable by a lot of game players, and am looking into whether we can add one, and how much work it would take. These things are never as simple as you might think, due to submission, testing, and certification processes, but I am checking into it. I would hope that you enjoy the game regardless, but I regret this oversight. If we are able to add a Platinum, I'll be sure to update things here, on our Facebook page, and via Twitter. Thanks for understanding.
Regarding the lack of the Platinum Trophy, Wario64 and the rest of the Internet are correct: There isn't one. I was mistaken about the Platinum, and will explain the lack of one.
When we were formulating the full trophy list, we actually had a *massive* list of possible trophies. There are two trophy types: small scale, and large scale. The scale doesn't seem to have anything to do with the scale or scope of the game (i.e. puzzle game vs. an MMO), it's all down to what the developer chooses to do. Personally I wanted to go large scale, to give people lots of things to try and achieve, from simple score-based achievements, to how many times you could loop the Voyage mode, to countless other variations ranging from simple for newcomers to insane for veterans.
However, after retooling the concept internally, by the time we put our foot on the gas and went into full production, we actually had less than 6 months to complete the game, which despite Lumines being 'just a puzzle game' was actually a tremendous amount of work, because we weren't just dealing with regular milestones, but also various other internal milestones, in which our team was putting in massive amounts of overtime. As I learned during the process, the QA testing period was incredibly detailed --as any tester can attest to-- and the decision was made to go 'small scale' for trophies, because not only would they all need to be individually tested, the more we added, the more things would need to be translated into EFIGS languages, and the more potentially game-breaking bugs could surface; which wasn't worth the risk of missing our ultimate deadline -- Vita launch.
The director of the game --and I'm not trying to assign any sort of blame here-- having looked at the trophy 'rules' for PlayStation 3 games, and saw that Platinums were automatically unlocked by obtaining the rest of the trophies in the game, assumed that it would also be the same with Vita. As our first Vita title, we were learning a lot of things on the fly, and saw no reason to assume there would be any change for Vita trophies (for the record, I haven't checked if automatic Platinums are indeed unlocked on PS3 by this method; it's just the understanding we had at the time). So when people began asking if LES would feature a Platinum trophy, and I asked our director who told me "Yes, we have a Platinum, but it's unlocked automatically once people obtain the rest," and so I answered in kind on the PS Blog where the soundtrack was announced.
As I have since discovered, our information was inaccurate, and I apologize to people who thought they would receive a Platinum. There is no reason we would exclude it, but just didn't realize it wouldn't unlock. The reason I hadn't explicitly said 'you obtain it by unlocking the rest of the trophies' was because we thought people would unlock it automatically, and wanted to retain a small element of pleasant surprise.
I realize that a Platinum is desirable by a lot of game players, and am looking into whether we can add one, and how much work it would take. These things are never as simple as you might think, due to submission, testing, and certification processes, but I am checking into it. I would hope that you enjoy the game regardless, but I regret this oversight. If we are able to add a Platinum, I'll be sure to update things here, on our Facebook page, and via Twitter. Thanks for understanding.
Kewl, thanks for the detailed and honest response. The game should have a plat, but in the end it's not that big of a deal. Even with the crappy trophy set, it's an awesome game, probably the best of the launch. I'm more interested in new skins and new modes than the trophy situation.
Or, you know, addressing the game breaking scoring issue with avatar ability recharging that's been flooding the entire page.
i would literally destroy cities for a detroit/ebm inspired skin pack
i wasn't aware :*(
i wasn't aware :*(
Baconsammy
Banned
I don't mind the platinum error. I do f***ing mind the fact that I've now watched the damn credits 5 times and the trophy still wont unlock. I've also used avatar items 450 times and that stupid trophy won't unlock either.
I'm in love with this game and I can't believe I've never played a Lumines before.
The platinum trophy not being there sucks but if it helped the game not be riddled with bugs then I guess that's all right.
It would be cool if you guys could find a way to add a platinum and/or add trophies with DLC down the line.
The platinum trophy not being there sucks but if it helped the game not be riddled with bugs then I guess that's all right.
It would be cool if you guys could find a way to add a platinum and/or add trophies with DLC down the line.
Bomber Bob
Banned
lol, hilarious if true.
Next time try to read the documentation included with the sdk.
I haven't played Lumines in 5 yrs. Wasn't aware of back touch functionality, or what the power ups even did. Got 550,000 in my first game yesterday. Really impressed by the skins / visuals. I was worried I'd be bored with just 'more Lumines,' but damn does it look great on OLED.
Sorry, I thought you were saying you'd got 9,999,999
I did and it only took 2nd try to get there and I have stopped using avatar ability since. Part of this was just getting my 200 avatar ability trophy lol.
Well good job on getting this game done in six months, despite the avatar abuse it represents the franchise very well. I can't imagine such a short dev time, I've been working for two+ years on our current project. Content scope is a huge difference, but such a brisk development pace must be both intense and refreshing after ship.
I'm actually really curious what the testing process was for the avatar powers versus what was added late in development specifically to show off potential capabilities of the Vita. Avatar powers in general aren't terrible broken on their own, but its really the back touch tapping that breaks things and it feels like it might have been added at a point in development that prevented much testing.
And I'm really curious on if you guys intended the shuffle block to be beneficial in near failure states or detrimental to players that have some solid towering going on so it acts as a hazard, since it fills both roles really well currently.
biggersmaller
Banned
Thanks for your response on this, Mielke. Any comment on the avatar abuse?
joeygreco1985
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GAF username: joeygreco1985
PSN: TonyBabagan00sh
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Baconsammy
Banned
We need DLC. Lots and lots of DLC. Hurry up and port the holiday pack over.
joeygreco1985
Member
I'd pay for a remake of Shinin'. Seems like a perfect fit for a new system. First PSP experience I ever had, and it was glorious
This. Please sweet Jesus this.
I'd pay for a remake of all the Lumines 1 skins honestly.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Definitely. I'd be happy spending $15-$20 on that.
Baconsammy
Banned
Won't happen. If they could, they would have already released Lumines 1 to PSN so we could play it on Vita.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Anybody else notice the reversible cover on the retail version?
YoYo Switch
Banned
I'm a lowly junior so I can't make a new thread and I;m also not an idiot so i won't bump and old one. I thought this was general enough and not too off topic to post here:
I absolutely love the original Lumines (own it for PSP and iphone) and I've been playing it obsessively on and off. I picked it up again since this new one came out and there's something bothering me.
Do I suck at Lumines? I mean, my highest score is in the 40,000s and i feel like i'm above average at it, but when i see people post scores in the 6 or even 7 digits, i get discouraged.
Is there a rookie mistake that I'm possibly overlooking? Is my situation (avid, above average player never breaking into the 100,000 range) common?
I absolutely love the original Lumines (own it for PSP and iphone) and I've been playing it obsessively on and off. I picked it up again since this new one came out and there's something bothering me.
Do I suck at Lumines? I mean, my highest score is in the 40,000s and i feel like i'm above average at it, but when i see people post scores in the 6 or even 7 digits, i get discouraged.
Is there a rookie mistake that I'm possibly overlooking? Is my situation (avid, above average player never breaking into the 100,000 range) common?
This is the best place to start, really:
People only getting 50k must not know...
...although, I am only getting 150k by knowing that.
YoYo Switch
Banned
I am totally aware of that technique and use it all the time. But you're right in that bing a common oversight. It took me a while to realize i could do that until I first tried the puzzle mode in the original Lumines (about a year ago)
Is there no hope for me GAF? ;-;
In the history of arcade-style puzzle games like Lumines, I don't think anyone ever starts out well. Lumines is definitely one of the more wily ones because it doesn't follow a linear sequence of progression like Tetris does, where speeds for the major aspects of the gameplay (the deleter and the block drop rate) don't neccesarily correspond with one another. Once you understand the basics of how to make blocks and combos, it's a matter of working on making blocks and combos faster, and then faster still. It's ultimately a matter of practice, even if it means swallowing a bit of your pride and retrying on a skin that's giving you problems just so you have a better grasp on what you need to be concentrating on.
Keyser Soze
Member
I am not an expert on the game either - I top out at about 200k (which I feel is good for me).
Another tip is to make sure you are watching the timeline going across, and make sure you time drops to fit the most amount 'clears' of into each cross of the timeline make. Some people never really pay attention to the timeline, but paying close attention means you will get bigger combos.
Also, in regards to the above trick, don't just use it everything use see one available, try and make sure there is one of each color available at all times.
I am sure others will give better tips, but those are the best I can.
I think that is more of an issue with initial licensing agreements though and how the pertain to digital distribution right? Wouldn't be it possible for them to draw up new licensing agreements for a new release since it wouldn't be re-releasing old stuff and just making new stuff? Please?
Don't crush my dreams.I think that is more of an issue with initial licensing agreements though and how the pertain to digital distribution right? Wouldn't be it possible for them to draw up new licensing agreements for a new release since it wouldn't be re-releasing old stuff and just making new stuff? Please?
Ubisoft stopped printing boxed copies entirely, which would suggest that whatever licensing deal they had in place with the licensed tracks for the game in the west expired.