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[Psychotext]

Can someone explain how it was karthikeyans fault please, it looked to me like vettel chopped across.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/276472/karthikeyan-penalised-for-contact-with-vettel/

From what Karthikeyan said, he had to move right as he got wheelspin on the kerb, but I personally think Vettel should have given him more room. There was just no need to get back over there so quick.

"Then there was the incident with Vettel. I was letting everyone through on blue flags because I was being told on the radio. I got on the white line, which was still damp, and I was on slicks obviously so I had a lot of wheelspin. I then had to come back on the track from the kerb, and he was there unfortunately and I could not do anything."

...

"It's harsh," he said of the penalty. "The kerb was wet. I had wheelspin so I had to move right."

As for my earlier question about what happened with the stop instruction, seems it was to do with potential brake failure.

Meanwhile, Vettel's car faced multiple problems, including when the onboard radio broke and the team lost communications with him around lap 20.

Later, Vettel's left back tyre punctured and damaged the braking system, prompting frantic - and unheard - radio calls for the German to stop racing for safety reasons. However, Vettel brought the car home unscathed.

"We tried and tried on the radio but obviously he wasn't picking up on the radio. Thankfully the car did get to the end without the left rear brake failing," Horner said.

 

[Nolan.]

I really still don't like Vettle, this season is really going to test him if Newey and his designers can't come up with a car to convincingly beat the competition.

Also BBC beats sky, come China i'll be watching the BBC's coverage (damn you BBC!)

 

[Timbuktu]

ouch, harsh words from Vettel.

 

[Ark]

Can you please assess where did Kimi go wrong with his strategy? Kim-bots are saying Lotus botched his race with the strategy.

I didn't follow Kimi's strategy, sorry

The BBC just showed the on-board footage of Vettel after he cut across Karthikeyan, he gave him a different 'finger' signal quite a few times after that. Then afterwards in the interviews with Lee he said:

'On the roads you have some idiots driving around, and it seems we have one here'

Or there abouts. As much as I respect Vettel, it is quite amusing to see him so angry.

I really still don't like Vettle, this season is really going to test him if Newey and his designers can't come up with a car to convincingly beat the competition.

Do you actually know how to spell Vettel or are you just trolling? I'm sorry but it just annoys me for no reason.

 

[Nolan.]

I didn't follow Kimi's strategy, sorry

The BBC just showed the on-board footage of Vettel after he cut across Karthikeyan, he gave him a different 'finger' signal quite a few times after that. Then afterwards in the interviews with Lee he said:

'On the roads you have some idiots driving around, and it seems we have one here'

Or there abouts. As much as I respect Vettel, it is quite amusing to see him so angry.



Do you actually know how to spell Vettel or are you just trolling? I'm sorry but it just annoys me for no reason.

If it's that important to you sure sweetheart.

 

[wonderkins]

Hmm, will Checo go to Ferrari when the Sauber chassis seems to have really good race pace? Assuming Ferrari asks, would be interesting. Being so young (and relatively new) would he have the presence to stand toe-to-toe with Alonso? Checo is fast and great with tires.

Pretty awesome first two races. To think Alonso could bring that barge home in first. And Massa in a lowly 15th. lol, but also : (

 

[Sleeplessnights]

ouch, harsh words from Vettel.

What'd he say?

 

[Psychotext]

'On the roads you have some idiots driving around, and it seems we have one here'

Or there abouts. As much as I respect Vettel, it is quite amusing to see him so angry.

Yeah, I'm a Vettel fan but that's just as ridiculous as Hamilton's comment about the idiots at the back of the grid.

He need to go and look at the footage and realise that there's plenty he could have done to avoid being taken out by that "idiot". Just the same as when there are idiots on the road.

 

[Nolan.]

What'd he say?

He was asked about his clash with Karthikeyan and he said something like 'it's a bit like when you're driving on the road and there's some idiot...well here it's not different'

Correct quote:

'it's like on the normal roads you have some idiots driving around and ah...it seems there's one driving here'

Also loved his finger gestures to Karthikeyan ha

 

[D_prOdigy]

Hmm, will Checo go to Ferrari when the Sauber chassis seems to have really good race pace? Assuming Ferrari asks, would be interesting. Being so young (and relatively new) would he have the presence to stand toe-to-toe with Alonso? Checo is fast and great with tires.

Pretty awesome first two races. To think Alonso could bring that barge home in first. And Massa in a lowly 15th. lol, but also : (

The irony is he should have won today in a 'lesser' team. He can do what he likes next year, but I'd feel so bitter if Ferrari swooped for him this season. The lad won't be able to resist the glitter of the Big F, but on this form, it'd be a step down for him, and something of an unfair situation for Sauber.

 

[Ark]

If it's that important to you sure sweetheart.

<3

Hmm, will Checo go to Ferrari when the Sauber chassis seems to have really good race pace? Assuming Ferrari asks, would be interesting. Being so young (and relatively new) would he have the presence to stand toe-to-toe with Alonso? Checo is fast and great with tires.

Pretty awesome first two races. To think Alonso could bring that barge home in first. And Massa in a lowly 15th. lol, but also : (

I think it would make more sense to leave Sergio in Sauber until Silverstone/Germany to see how Sauber develop in relation to Ferrari and the rest of the grid, if Sauber can stay top 8 for the rest of the year consistently I would say Sergio would be better off moving to Ferrari when the season is over rather than earlier. Perez is destined for Ferrari anyway, unless Sauber manage to become a consistent title fighter.

 

[wonderkins]

Vettel's a good guy. I'm sure, once there's distance from the race, he'll reassess. Harsh words in the heat of the moment...happens in competition. The accident wasn't Narain's fault; Vettel will probably apologize for his intemperate actions and words.

I think it would make more sense to leave Sergio in Sauber until Silverstone/Germany to see how Sauber develop in relation to Ferrari and the rest of the grid, if Sauber can stay top 8 for the rest of the year consistently I would say Sergio would be better off moving to Ferrari when the season is over rather than earlier.

I agree with you. Stay with Peter Sauber for this season, gain more experience in a comfortable, accommodating environment. Sauber has to be elated with how good that chassis is in Checo's hands. Wow.

 

[Orgun]

Ah the BBC forum, how I missed ye! Grabbing Petrov while he's in the middle of dinner

 

[Koshiro]

Planned for next season.

[citation needed]

 

[Kepler]

Finished watching the race and what an amazing one!

Alonso shows once again that he is possibly the best driver on the grid and also a great drive by Perez!!!

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Good forum, but it needs more Eddie


Where is he this week?

 

[Koshiro]

Didn't realise they were doing forums for the highlight races, great stuff. Overall I much prefer the Beeb, despite my dream pairing of Crofty & Brundle on Sky. Just much better coverage... and it isn't owned by Murdoch.

 

[f0rk]

Red Bull aren't very gracious in defeat are they.

 

[Xun]

Fuck I didn't realise a Forum was on.

I doubt it'll pop up online will it?

 

[SunhiLegend]

 

[Nolan.]

Red Bull aren't very gracious in defeat are they.

Nope.

Also Eddie will be in China is that a first?

 

[Ark]

Fuck I didn't realise a Forum was on.

I doubt it'll pop up online will it?

The forum was always on the iPlayer later last year.

Turkey 2010 and now Malaysia 2012. Two titles haven't made any difference.

 

[frontieruk]

no one said it was his

We're just pissed that teams like HRT are allowed to be part in the pinnacle of motor-sport racing. That's all

didn't say anyone here accused him of being at fault, just saw the penalty dished out and wondered if someone knew how/why.

From what Karthikeyan said, he had to move right as he got wheelspin on the kerb, but I personally think Vettel should have given him more room. There was just no need to get back over there so quick.

Thanks

 

[TCRS]

Fuck I didn't realise a Forum was on.

I doubt it'll pop up online will it?

Oh common! This is some messed up shit with Sky/BBC. Race on Sky, Forum on BBC, no full race on I player etc. The fuck?

 

[SunhiLegend]

Short version

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

At the end of the forum they said Eddie would be in China...


I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Ark]

Future team mates? Would Ferrari be able to handle these two if Perez lives up to his potential?

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Let's not forget how old these drivers are. Vettel is still a kid. 2 WDC's or not, he's young and its very rare for people at this age to reach the maturity required to handle the massive stress and pressure they go under. Some of them never even reach it


EDIT: that doesn't mean I approve of what he did or say. He should get spanked for his behavior

 

[Ark]

Let's not forget how old these drivers are. Vettel is still a kid. 2 WDC's or not, he's young and its very rare for people at this age to reach the maturity required to handle the massive stress and pressure they go under. Some of them never ever reach it

Were you not listening to Horner for the last two years? Vettel's the most mature man he's ever met.

I would laugh if this season is the opposite of last season. With Vettel having his worst season ever (ala Hamilton) and Hamilton winning the title.

 

[Nolan.]

Were you not listening to Horner for the last two years? Vettel's the most mature man he's ever met.

I would laugh if this season is the opposite of last season. With Vettel having his worst season ever (ala Hamilton) and Hamilton winning the title.

That would be too hilarious but I would love to just see Webber spank him in the WDC

 

[Seanspeed]

 

[Xun]

The forum was always on the iPlayer later last year.

It was? I forget.

I assumed they weren't doing a forum today since they didn't mention it.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Vettel calls NK a "cucumber" lol

Massa baffled by gap to Alonso. Missing ingredient is called.. Talent?

Kimi took it easy on wets and inters

 

[NHale]

Future team mates? Would Ferrari be able to handle these two if Perez lives up to his potential?

Very likely. He has talent and will bring Carlos Slim money to Ferrari. What's not to like?

However I believe Ferrari wants to avoid a mid-season change but if Massa continues to drive like Badoer in the next 2 races they have to do something. Pressure in Italy is already there and Massa is even performing worse than last year. And it would make a lot of sense to change drivers before the official test at Mugello.

 

[f0rk]

Massa baffled by gap to Alonso.

hahahaha

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Very likely. He has talent and will bring Carlos Slim money to Ferrari. What's not to like?

However I believe Ferrari wants to avoid a mid-season change but if Massa continues to drive like Badoer in the next 2 races they have to do something. Pressure in Italy is already there and Massa is even performing worse than last year. And it would make a lot of sense to change drivers before the official test at Mugello.

Sad, but very true.

I think they should just do it. swap him to Sauber. The funny thing would be if they actually do it, and Massa passes Alonso on the track in a Sauber ..

 

[Ark]

Sad, but very true.

I think they should just do it. swap him to Sauber. The funny thing would be if they actually do it, and Massa passes Alonso on the track in a Sauber ..

Massa already came from Sauber, I doubt they want him back now.

 

[Omiee]

ouch, harsh words from Vettel.

he is right though, did u see what karthekaien said about the incident?

it seemed to me he was pissed about the way people lap him and go straight to the racing line.

HRt has been in this sports for a few years now, and there is no notable step up like lotus or others have managed.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Massa already came from Sauber, I doubt they want him back now.

"want"? who said anything about asking. Ferrari can do whatever they want to Sauber's drivers lineup. And pretty much everything else

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

he is right though, did u see what karthekaien said about the incident?

it seemed to me he was pissed about the way people lap him and go straight to the racing line.

HRt has been in this sports for a few years now, and there is no notable step up like lotus or others have managed.

Time to make that 107% a 105%?

 

[Ark]

"want"? who said anything about asking. Ferrari can do whatever they want to Sauber's drivers lineup. And pretty much everything else

Why would Ferrari put Massa in Sauber? Ferrari and Sauber don't share the same link as RBR and STR. If Perez went to Ferrari then Bianchi would be the most likely candidate to take the spare seat at Sauber.

When Massa is removed, he'll be out of the sport unless HRT take him on.

 

[RukusProvider]

My SpeedTV recording got cut off. Sucks that Sebb was taken out by a moving chicane. Before my recoding ended, he was catching up to Hamilton.

Amazing drives by Alonso and Perez. Mercedes needs to learn race pace.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Why would Ferrari put Massa in Sauber? Ferrari and Sauber don't share the same link as RBR and STR. If Perez went to Ferrari then Bianchi would be the most likely candidate to take the spare seat at Sauber.

When Massa is removed, he'll be out of the sport unless HRT take him on.

you're actually right. I think it would be even more humiliating if he got swapped with Perez

 

[NHale]

Sad, but very true.

I think they should just do it. swap him to Sauber. The funny thing would be if they actually do it, and Massa passes Alonso on the track in a Sauber ..

Neither part would accept that deal. Massa is too proud to admit he's finished and Peter Sauber is one of the smartest F1 people and would never accept a terrible driver that lost his edge.

I can't imagine being easy to accept it but Massa is done. The accident, being beaten by Alonso constantly and the Hockenheim scandal destroyed him. He should leave before nobody remembers how close he was to being a world champion and only remembers how bad he was in the last couple of years. Make up some excuse about how he wants to spend with his family and quit.

 

[Omiee]

Why would Ferrari put Massa in Sauber? Ferrari and Sauber don't share the same link as RBR and STR. If Perez went to Ferrari then Bianchi would be the most likely candidate to take the spare seat at Sauber.

When Massa is removed, he'll be out of the sport unless HRT take him on.

im sure lotus would gladly let him replace petrov or koveleinen.

 

[Ark]

When it gets to the point when even Whitmarsh is poking fun at you not finishing a season, you know you're deadbeat.

im sure lotus would gladly let him replace petrov or koveleinen.

If Massa accepted a massive pay cut, sure.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

im sure lotus would gladly let him replace petrov or koveleinen.

Caterham

If Massa accepted a massive pay cut, sure.

Paycut? he would have to be able to bring sponsors and money into the team, which I think would be very difficult

 

[Nolan.]

Why would Ferrari put Massa in Sauber? Ferrari and Sauber don't share the same link as RBR and STR. If Perez went to Ferrari then Bianchi would be the most likely candidate to take the spare seat at Sauber.

When Massa is removed, he'll be out of the sport unless HRT take him on.

Massa moving to HRT would probably be worse than leaving the sport altogether.

 

[Ark]

Hmm, we're just over 6k posts today. Not as many as last week it seems, and this week was a far more exciting race!

Massa moving to HRT would probably be worse than leaving the sport altogether.

I don't think Massa cares about his reputation any more, he just wants to be driving a car. I like to think he wouldn't let himself stoop that low, but who knows.

 

[defel]

There is something confusing me. Given how fast the McLaren (and indeed the rest of the pack) are compared to Ferrari and Sauber, how were Alonso and Perez able to stay so far ahead? If it was purely good driving then it was an almighty drive from them both! Im guessing that the margins between the teams are just narrower in the wet weather.