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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT7| Avaya ever heard anything like it?

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Mastadon

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dc89 said:
I'd have Hoddle back as England manager. I think his silly statement is behind him now, he's still a damn good coach.
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Plus, we all know that it wasn't Hoddle's fault. He was merely a pawn in the grand machinations one of the most brilliant, twisted minds in history.

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Vivalaraza

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Salvadora said:
I'd put Wilshere over Hazard and Balotelli.
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Same. Again, not sure how they worked it all out but perhaps it's because he hasn't played as much as the others at the top level.

I wouldn't have Balotelli that high at all really. He is good but I still don't see the best player in the world potential in him.

I'm guessing the value paid for these players to date has an impact on these rankings, otherwise I can't see how players like Jordon Henderson or Lukaku are on the list so high.
 
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Clegg

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If you based that list on actual potential then Jordan Henderson wouldn't even be on it.

I'm not sure about Lukaku either as we've barely seen him play for the first team.
 
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Fur_Q

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Chriswok said:
Yes, but by all means continue. I haven't really given a care about how the England team have done since 2002. Just another London club as far as I'm concerned.
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Somewhere out there, there's an interview with me and some German tv station during Euro 2000 we had a penalty shoot out on camera that was on News at Ten in Charleroi square with ze Germans.

German reporter was asking me how the fans were getting on and I was saying "Yeah great no probs all drinking having a laugh blah blah blah"

Hour later everyones throwing chairs and out come the water cannons LOL

Was at the Romania game when we were knocked out, didn't bother after that.
 
LabouredSubterfuge

LabouredSubterfuge

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Chriswok said:
Stop reading after this bit. If you can't score, you won't win games. I get the impression its going to be a defensive article making excuses.
When your manager consistently refers to 'Luck' you should be worried. "We were unlucky. We didn't have any luck." Doesn't work for me. Didn't work for me when Souness was Newcastle manager and always referred to luck. You can't coach luck. You can't manage luck. So I manager shouldn't keep referring to it as if its some sort of tactical gameplan that didn't work.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=d...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
http://soccerlens.com/kenny-dalglish-and-the-word-luck/91413/
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Brief but generally on the mark:

http://www.football365.com/faves/7623499/F365-Says

If that wasn't enough, Dalglish's excuses are comical. After the Wigan game, he ludicrously claimed Luis Suarez's 'goal', scooped in with his hands, should have been allowed. He blamed TV demands for them being tired over the last three games, which is odd since only one of those games was televised. And he pointed to luck, again. When 'bad luck' pops up in every post-match press conference, it's perhaps a sign that misfortune is not exactly the problem. The blind faith that Dalglish enjoyed from many supporters disappeared some time ago, and it's hardly surprising.

These are frustrating times at Anfield, and the road back is looking longer and longer.
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If I were a Liverpool fan, as much as I would lament the results of these games, I'd be more unhappy that with the exception of Suarez and Gerrard, their side doesn't contain much skill or flair. One of the biggest problems I have with them is that I think they simply play quite dull football. It seems to me as though most of their goals come from set pieces or from energetic high pressing which causes mistakes. I think they struggle to open teams up when the aforementioned methods aren't working for them. I get the feeling a lot of their players aren't thinking when they play and are following instructions too heavily.
 
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Sloosha

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Clegg said:
If you based that list on actual potential then Jordan Henderson wouldn't even be on it.

I'm not sure about Lukaku either as we've barely seen him play for the first team.
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I think the Lukaku figure is based on what we actually payed for him.
 
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Mr. Luchador

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Saw Lukaku play in a reserve game last week. Reserve games aren't really a true measure of how good a play is or can be, but it can give a slight insight into how a player plays the game.

He looked half decent, but you could tell he didn't really want to try (drawback of the reserve league). Todd Kane and Billy Clifford looked a lot better.
 
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Mr. Luchador

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Fur_Q said:
Somewhere out there, there's an interview with me and some German tv station during Euro 2000 we had a penalty shoot out on camera that was on News at Ten in Charleroi square with ze Germans.

German reporter was asking me how the fans were getting on and I was saying "Yeah great no probs all drinking having a laugh blah blah blah"

Hour later everyones throwing chairs and out come the water cannons LOL

Was at the Romania game when we were knocked out, didn't bother after that.
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What I meant was how the England home games are at Wembley all the time now. Midweek late night kick offs, leaving little or no chance for anyone outside of London easy access to go and watch.
On top of that Capello never travelled further North than Birmingham (slight exaggeration).

It was great following England as their toured the country while Wembley was being rebuilt. Atmosphere in around the places they visited was fantastic as there was a real excitement about the players being in the city. You don't get that now. Team feels very distant to the public - as daft as that sounds now for the modern game.
 
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Mr. Luchador

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LabouredSubterfuge said:
Brief but generally on the mark:

http://www.football365.com/faves/7623499/F365-Says



If I were a Liverpool fan, as much as I would lament the results of these games, I'd be more unhappy that with the exception of Suarez and Gerrard, their side doesn't contain much skill or flair. One of the biggest problems I have with them is that I think they simply play quite dull football. It seems to me as though most of their goals come from set pieces or from energetic high pressing which causes mistakes. I think they struggle to open teams up when the aforementioned methods aren't working for them. I get the feeling a lot of their players aren't thinking when they play and are following instructions too heavily.
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I've said it a few times this season, but I think its generally be ignored. This Liverpool season reminds me far too much of the season Dalglish had a Newcastle.

Terrible league form at home.
Top goalscorer an aging star that the manager admires.
Decent cup run.

The reason some Newcastle fans don't like Dalglish was due to how he played football at home. The running joke was that he was playing for the draw... even in the FA Cup Final. It didn't help the football he offered was almost the exact opposite of what Kevin Keegan had been playing for several years, so it was a bit of a culture shock.

However, for all the bad signings Dalglish made for us he did bring in a few good/great players (Solano, Speed, Dabizas). His eye for a striker was terrible though (Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson).
 
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bjaelke

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Chriswok said:
Stop reading after this bit. If you can't score, you won't win games. I get the impression its going to be a defensive article making excuses.
When your manager consistently refers to 'Luck' you should be worried. "We were unlucky. We didn't have any luck." Doesn't work for me. Didn't work for me when Souness was Newcastle manager and always referred to luck. You can't coach luck. You can't manage luck. So I manager shouldn't keep referring to it as if its some sort of tactical gameplan that didn't work.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=d...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
http://soccerlens.com/kenny-dalglish-and-the-word-luck/91413/
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I agree that the "luck" argument is getting out of hand. Kenny has started a long term project and he should be aware that the transition wont be easy. There are going to be a few hiccups and bumps along the road. We could - and should - be playing better at the moment. No excuse. Our current tactics rely too much on 2009-Gerrard. He's return, unfortunately, has been mostly symbolic.

Our second string is not very good right now and it has costs us a lot of points this season.
I'm not anticipating the Newcastle game at all. Hopefully we'll see a few changes in the starting lineup and on the bench.

Agger’s attempted tackles/duels are higher than those of an ageing Carra and for us it’s clear that we’re weaker at the back with Carragher in there. Carragher will always be a legend and we respect our legends however it may be time to start Coates next to Skrtel in defence whilst Agger recovers from injury.
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http://www.eplindex.com/12172/reina-compared-rivals-liverpool-defence-analysis.html
 
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Fur_Q

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Chriswok said:
What I meant was how the England home games are at Wembley all the time now. Midweek late night kick offs, leaving little or no chance for anyone outside of London easy access to go and watch.
On top of that Capello never travelled further North than Birmingham (slight exaggeration).

It was great following England as their toured the country while Wembley was being rebuilt. Atmosphere in around the places they visited was fantastic as there was a real excitement about the players being in the city. You don't get that now. Team feels very distant to the public - as daft as that sounds now for the modern game.
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True dat. Some day that at the swamp, when Beckham smashed that free kick in against Greece last minute.

Shame they didn't carry that on.
 
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Yurt

il capo silenzioso
Coyle: "Fabrice was able to watch MOTD on Sunday morning. He was pleased we won, though he fell asleep when the score was 2-0."
 
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Mr. Luchador

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Its really great to see how quickly and naturally everyone within football, and even the general public, got behind wishing him a full recovery. Probably story of the season so far.
 
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Milchmonster

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Seems like we're going to sign a Japanese RB called Hiroki Sakai. Not sure if we really need a RB but maybe it's just buying a Japanese for Kagawa to sign his contract :D
 
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Fur_Q

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Chriswok said:
Its really great to see how quickly and naturally everyone within football, and even the general public, got behind wishing him a full recovery. Probably story of the season so far.
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Gary Lineker posts here, tell Hansen he's a bottling twat.

Also hey football fams.
 
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Mr. Luchador

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You guys honestly didn't wish him well, and are happy to see him pull through?

Time to reflect on WHY he collapsed is still to come. However, I'm sure I remember similar thoughts when Vivian Foe died on the pitch.
 
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neoanarch

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Milchmonster said:
Seems like we're going to sign a Japanese RB called Hiroki Sakai. Not sure if we really need a RB but maybe it's just buying a Japanese for Kagawa to sign his contract :D
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From Kashiwa Reysol. They won the J-League last year and were fantastic in the Club World Cup. Can't really remember Sakai from the CWC though.
 
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bjaelke

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Another manager has been sacked in the Danish league - just the week before we play them. After that we play Copenhagen, who also recently sacked their manager. This might be the only chance we get to beat them.

I'm hoping for more of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkMKwtoqB7I

Michael Laudrup > Hans Backe

And yes Woodenlung, I don't have that many recent videos to use...except for that Royal League win :lol
 
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Hixx

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O'Shea out tomorrow :( Catts, Bardsley and Seb back though which is good. To be honest as long as Sessegnon and McClean are on form like they were on saturday, we'll be ok.
 
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Carbonox

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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/early-doors/newcastle-show-rest-done-080453150.html

:lol

The attacking trio of Demba Ba, Hatem Ben Arfa and Papiss Cisse which put West Brom to the sword at The Hawthorns yesterday cost a total of just £11 million. At £9m Cisse accounts for the vast majority of that, while Ba didn't cost a penny in transfer fees. Elsewhere in the side there is Cheick Tiote (£3.5m) and Yohan Cabaye (£4.8m), who have both helped transform the midfield and left few on Tyneside pining for Kevin Nolan and Joey Barton.
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The above will never cease to amaze me.

We still have one major remnant of our horrible old transfer dealing days and that is Xisco. The fucker is still on our books. The weird thing is, I actually kind of want to see him back at Newcastle and see how he compares up with Ameobi and Best...
 
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sohois

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bjaelke said:
I agree that the "luck" argument is getting out of hand. Kenny has started a long term project and he should be aware that the transition wont be easy. There are going to be a few hiccups and bumps along the road. We could - and should - be playing better at the moment. No excuse. Our current tactics rely too much on 2009-Gerrard. He's return, unfortunately, has been mostly symbolic.

Our second string is not very good right now and it has costs us a lot of points this season.
I'm not anticipating the Newcastle game at all. Hopefully we'll see a few changes in the starting lineup and on the bench.

http://www.eplindex.com/12172/reina-compared-rivals-liverpool-defence-analysis.html
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Dalglish went off on the players following the Bolton game and whilst it did see some improvement - most clearly in Downing's form - it did not really improve results.

Right now the confidence of many Liverpool players must be at rock-bottom, so berating them further could well have little effect. Dalglish probably believes that providing excuses for the team will simply be better for them than berating the players - or more likely he prefers to keep his criticism behind closed doors. Given his very clear disdain for the press it should hardly be surprising if he doesn't open up much in his interviews.

Chriswok said:
I've said it a few times this season, but I think its generally be ignored. This Liverpool season reminds me far too much of the season Dalglish had a Newcastle.

Terrible league form at home.
Top goalscorer an aging star that the manager admires.
Decent cup run.

The reason some Newcastle fans don't like Dalglish was due to how he played football at home. The running joke was that he was playing for the draw... even in the FA Cup Final. It didn't help the football he offered was almost the exact opposite of what Kevin Keegan had been playing for several years, so it was a bit of a culture shock.

However, for all the bad signings Dalglish made for us he did bring in a few good/great players (Solano, Speed, Dabizas). His eye for a striker was terrible though (Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson).
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LabouredSubterfuge said:
If I were a Liverpool fan, as much as I would lament the results of these games, I'd be more unhappy that with the exception of Suarez and Gerrard, their side doesn't contain much skill or flair. One of the biggest problems I have with them is that I think they simply play quite dull football. It seems to me as though most of their goals come from set pieces or from energetic high pressing which causes mistakes. I think they struggle to open teams up when the aforementioned methods aren't working for them. I get the feeling a lot of their players aren't thinking when they play and are following instructions too heavily.
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The style of football Liverpool was a lot more attractive in the first half of the season when Lucas was fit and strangely enough when Gerrard was not fit, though I wouldn't really say Gerrard has had anything to do with it. Ultimately the loss of Lucas severely restricts the midfield, when he was playing Liverpool would tend to dominate possession and create many chances without actually scoring; since his injury Liverpool have rarely played like that save for the few big games where Spearing has upped his level. Of course Liverpool's current slump has not at all been helped by injuries to all of Liverpool's 'skill or flair' players, Bellamy, Maxi, Johnson & Agger, not to mention that the form of Adam (top assister for Liverpool) has been very poor since the Lucas injury. Although he's another added to the injury list now.

Of course one cannot blame everything on the absence of Lucas and there are certainly other factors at work, but I definitely feel it is the main contributor to the poor form post Christmas. To those who would disagree, let me ask you this: In the past Liverpool were derided as a one man team, entirely dependent on Gerrard or Torres and it was suggested that if you took them out of the squad then Liverpool would be 5 places lower. Well, what if Lucas was that one man? His contribution cannot be measured in goals and assists, but if a team can be considered to be entirely reliant on the form of one player who says it cannot be a defensive player?
 
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Carbonox

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Salazar said:
Meanwhile Joey Barton brags on the pitch about the wage he's drawing from those numpty owners.
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On one hand I feel sorry for him but on the other, I don't. He chose to go to a QPR side whose owner promised the world and instead, his team is caving in and likely to get relegated.

What is even worse for Barton is that to leave QPR, he would probably need a team to fit the bill for his wage demands, something I very much doubt will happen. That means Barton might have to put up with the Championship again. :lol

I'll still have a soft spot for the guy though, as last year he was exceptional and one of the stand out performers for me. He did so much for Newcastle and really helped us to some incredible performances.
 
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LabouredSubterfuge

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sohois said:
Dalglish went off on the players following the Bolton game and whilst it did see some improvement - most clearly in Downing's form - it did not really improve results.

Right now the confidence of many Liverpool players must be at rock-bottom, so berating them further could well have little effect. Dalglish probably believes that providing excuses for the team will simply be better for them than berating the players - or more likely he prefers to keep his criticism behind closed doors. Given his very clear disdain for the press it should hardly be surprising if he doesn't open up much in his interviews.





The style of football Liverpool was a lot more attractive in the first half of the season when Lucas was fit and strangely enough when Gerrard was not fit, though I wouldn't really say Gerrard has had anything to do with it. Ultimately the loss of Lucas severely restricts the midfield, when he was playing Liverpool would tend to dominate possession and create many chances without actually scoring; since his injury Liverpool have rarely played like that save for the few big games where Spearing has upped his level. Of course Liverpool's current slump has not at all been helped by injuries to all of Liverpool's 'skill or flair' players, Bellamy, Maxi, Johnson & Agger, not to mention that the form of Adam (top assister for Liverpool) has been very poor since the Lucas injury. Although he's another added to the injury list now.

Of course one cannot blame everything on the absence of Lucas and there are certainly other factors at work, but I definitely feel it is the main contributor to the poor form post Christmas. To those who would disagree, let me ask you this: In the past Liverpool were derided as a one man team, entirely dependent on Gerrard or Torres and it was suggested that if you took them out of the squad then Liverpool would be 5 places lower. Well, what if Lucas was that one man? His contribution cannot be measured in goals and assists, but if a team can be considered to be entirely reliant on the form of one player who says it cannot be a defensive player?
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I can agree with this, and as I think I said earlier on in this thread, Liverpool were running riot when Kenny first came in. It was all about energy and fluidity. It was brutal, entertaining stuff and hard to play against. But now the sort of players needed to play that style (Meireles and Lucas being key components) are not playing and it shows. I don't just think Carroll, Downing, Adam and (to a lesser extent) Henderson were bad buys just because of their price to performance ratio, but because they don't fit the style that was working so well.
 
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Wessiej

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bjaelke said:
Another manager has been sacked in the Danish league - just the week before we play them. After that we play Copenhagen, who also recently sacked their manager. This might be the only chance we get to beat them.

I'm hoping for more of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkMKwtoqB7I

Michael Laudrup > Hans Backe

And yes Woodenlung, I don't have that many recent videos to use...except for that Royal League win :lol
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Laudrup > everybody
 
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bjaelke

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sohois said:
The style of football Liverpool was a lot more attractive in the first half of the season when Lucas was fit and strangely enough when Gerrard was not fit, though I wouldn't really say Gerrard has had anything to do with it. Ultimately the loss of Lucas severely restricts the midfield, when he was playing Liverpool would tend to dominate possession and create many chances without actually scoring; since his injury Liverpool have rarely played like that save for the few big games where Spearing has upped his level.
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The best thing about Lucas and his defensive qualities is that it allows for Agger to go forward. Lucas doesn't have the same attacking qualities as Alonso did. He goes for the shorter and safer pass more often. But he enabled Agger to leave the back line without exposing it. Now that they're both out with injuries we're lacking that option and it has constrained us at times. We've looked quite helpless whenever the opposition has been able to lock us down in the midfield.

48% - Since the start of last season, Liverpool's PL win % with Lucas in the starting line up is 48%, compared with 29% without him. Missed.
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