The German B-team might be worse than Chile's full squad, but they executed their strategy perfectly and came away with the win. You can't really say they got out played when they played the game they wanted to, how they wanted to do it.
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2017 FIFA Confederations Cup | OT | 17 June 2 July 2017 | Putin on a show
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The German B-team might be worse than Chile's full squad, but they executed their strategy perfectly and came away with the win. You can't really say they got out played when they played the game they wanted to, how they wanted to do it.
No offense but Copa America is not anywhere near the lvl of play of the EC or WC.
Let's look at the last 4 world cups and how the teams placed:
Argentina
2002 group stage
2006 quarter final
2010 quarter final
2014 runners up
Chile
2002 did not qualify
2006 did not qualify
2010 round of 16
2014 round of 16
I'm not saying you guys suck or anything. You can beat top games on a good day but i don't see Chile fighting for the world cup
AcademicSaucer
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Chile peaked and it's going down now, they looked bad against Portugal too
Lol wat?
You don't know much about soccer didn't?
Chile eliminated Spain in the recent world cup and lost in penalties against Brazil(playing better than them)
And wins 2 finals against Argentina.
And in my opinion Chile is way better than Italy and France
Regulus Tera
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Oveja Negra
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4 years ago approx.
Why are you bringing in results from competitions that happened 15 years ago? Just completely irrelevant for so many reasons. This is an Argentina team with a newly appointed manager who is still an unknown quantity (will be topdogs though, for sure). & who have played shoddy football at best ever since the Bauza appoinment.
They'd be lucky to be even a top 4 CONMEBOL team just based off qualifier form.
Copa América isn't anywhere near the level of the EC? Lol, alright, I give up.
Omega Kirby
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Germany won again? How surprising.
Get ready to see them a lot at the world cup again too
Get ready to see them a lot at the world cup again too
RocknRola
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Pre 2014, for sure. WC, Copa America, Copa Centenario and now Confed Cup. 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017.
4 years of little to no vacations.
And yet i'd put 50 quid down and say Argentina will place higher than Chile next WC.
Are you claiming otherwise?
Why do you think your best players go to europe if they can find the same lvl of play at home?
Clearly you don't watch football from South America, but hey, if you think tourney's are won on paper.
Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these Chilean guys' bodies are breaking down at this point.
Friendly reminder that Argentina is now sitting 5th on the conmebol WC qualifiers.
Why does chile have a chance of winning world cup when they couldn't finish against German b team.
Chile dominated the game but if u cant finish well this game tells u what happens.
Chile had 20 shots on target n still didnt get net. They wont get half as many in world cup games next year
Chile dominated the game but if u cant finish well this game tells u what happens.
Chile had 20 shots on target n still didnt get net. They wont get half as many in world cup games next year
Man with Knife
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Entertaining game, both teams with a shaky defense and missed chances in the offense.
Great learning experience for our young players, I don't envy Löw having to assemble our team for next year.
Chile is still a contender next year, but outside of the top 5.
Great learning experience for our young players, I don't envy Löw having to assemble our team for next year.
Chile is still a contender next year, but outside of the top 5.
AcademicSaucer
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I think Chile is going to get to the quarter finals at best next year.
Do you watch South American football at all?
Why the best south American players go to Europe?are you talking about European Clubs? aren't we talking about national teams? ok, because european clubs pays like 100 times the money than any club here in South america on average,
Yet, they could only beat Argentina on penalties after they choked, twice.
Don't wanna hate on Chile tbh because i like the work they have done, Chile truly exposes what years of work can do on a national team, but talent-wise is just not comparable, i don't know everything about Chile talent pool, but Chile has more field players from Liga MX than Mexico (As of today of course), and..well, we are talking about Mexico here.
criesofthepast
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WAY better than Italy? No! I am an Italian living in Chile and would kill to see Italy play Chile. They really have rarely ever played each other in history, but when they have, it was a bloody disgracful mess. lol Would be good fun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santiago_(1962_FIFA_World_Cup)
Regulus Tera
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Otoh if Alexis regains his finishing form next year... be scared.
RocknRola
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Oveja Negra
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You can see that happening to Alexis. During all this tournament, but specially in the last two matches he looked kinda slow and lacking that typical explosive moves.
I hope everyone rest as much as they can. There's still the remaining of the WC qualys and those matches are going to be hard as hell to win.
Talent wise for sure. I don't think anyone will argue Chile has a better roster than Brazil, Argentina, etc. But when our players put on a shirt, it's a whole different ball game.
Anyway, why does it even matter? This has been the case with Chile for years yet we'll still managed to beat top teams & win two Copa America's. Vargas who's regularly pounced on the world's best teams for Chile & will go down as one of it's top scorers of all time, is a club failure. Team ethic & manager quality >
Germany had scoring opportunities but none as far as I can remember came via a build up play. Pressing, Chile mistake, counter. Very efficient. But that was only a very small part of the game. The majority was Chile attacking, getting big chances, missing.
This doesn't diminish the victory for Germany. Löw really maximised the team he had.
Bingo. They played exactly the same as they did against Mexico and just counterattacked and capitalized on the backline's errors. Mexico and Chile both suffered from not being able to score any of their chances. Although Mexico was terrible at defending. Lol.
Good summer for Germany, U21 EC and Confed cup both won with B-teams.
To weight in into the discussion, Chile is a top team worldwide going by their recent successes. On paper though, they don't have such a strong squad compared to other national teams.
But football is a team sport so having top players on paper doesn't help if they can't perform as a team.
To weight in into the discussion, Chile is a top team worldwide going by their recent successes. On paper though, they don't have such a strong squad compared to other national teams.
But football is a team sport so having top players on paper doesn't help if they can't perform as a team.
They didn't execute their strategy perfectly though. Both Chile and Mexico had an insane amount of chances to score, so defensively Germany wasn't very sound. But it's on Chile and Mexico that they missed so much.
If it's one part in this team that looked definitely as a B team that was the defence.
BMO = GOAT
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Tbh, only refs look bad. VAR is there to assist the refs. I love VAR, makes it less probable for a mistake to change the game.
Vargas is such an extreme case of international player, dude has almost as half goals with Chile as he does on Clubs.
And yes playing good matters, and it does a lot, specially on an international level where frankly most teams don't play good, Coaches just don't have enough time to prepare their teams and thats the reason having an established idea where you continue whoever is the coach is the way to go.
Chile started all of this 10 years ago with Bielsa and it gave results both in trophies and play wise; Chile plays so goddam well, really attractive football, they move the ball so quickly and look to get the ball quickly with pressure, Chile is basically what Spaniards think German football is (compared to their more slow style of play).
The Chosen One
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Chile plays like a top 5 team for about 10-15 minutes. For those 10-15 minutes they're God-Tier and can pretty much dominate anyone on the planet.
But if they don't score in those 10-15 minutes, then it's usually downhill from there. That's basically what happened today and the majority of this tournament.
AcademicSaucer
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Chile has no world class goalscorer, thats why they ended up going to penalties in both copa americas and thats why they werent able to recover after Germany scored that goal. On top of that they are short so they suffer a lot in that area like with Portugal.
That has nothing to do with raw quality, thats the burnout from playing whole seasons since 2014.
What do you mean by destroying? like 5-0? lol
I'd say 4-1
gutter_trash
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All you need is one fatal mistake to fuck up your match and there you go
Oveja Negra
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That's such an exaggerated statement.
What was the downhill today? as the statistics show in a previous post, Chile was fairly superior to Germany in pretty much every aspect of the game.
The problem our players have is -as others already have noted- they are unable to score goals even if they have 1000 chances per match.
I still think Germany winning today was totally fair. They were more efficient than us and that's what it counts at the end: whoever score more, wins. Period.
Also, looking at the performance during the whole tournament, Germany was also the best team. So it's even more deserved, in my opinion.
Is this because of the friendly against Paraguay? Because I can't think of any of the recent France games that would induce this amount of confidence. Especially not the game against Sweden that came right after.
Or is this because the win against England, because that would be hilarious. England being famous for high quality international football lately.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Chile is not going to do anything special next year, let's be real. They are an old squad that rely on guys like Medel to play out of their natural position because they lack depth and they will only be one year older next summer.
Grenouille
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Oveja Negra
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To learn?, nah, to remember?, yes.
Chile just needs to replace Vargas (he is past his best days IMO) and Alexis needs to rest A LOT (it's pretty obvious he is exhausted) and we'll be back on track. Obviously, it's easier said than done.
Chile has proven time after time they can beat any team in the world, but I agree the statement about being way better than Italy & France is ridiculous.
Regards.
Or maybe we need another Valdivia to complement Vargas work.
Frankfurter
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Oveja Negra
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That's an option but the fact is there isn't another Valdivia. Also, Pizzi doesn't like to play with a traditional 10.
RocknRola
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Going into the topic of Fifa rankings, here is why they're silly to begin with:
New Top 10 (after Confed Cup):
1. Germany
2. Brasil
3. Argentina
4. Portugal
5. Switzerland
6. Poland
7. Chile
8. Colombia
9. France
10. Belgium
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How/why did Portugal rise to 4th, ahead of Chile, even after finishing behind them (and Germany) in said Cup?
What have Poland+Switzerland done in these past few months to warrant a 5th and 6th place?
This is why Fifa rankings are silly, they seem inconsistent even with their own criteria.
New Top 10 (after Confed Cup):
1. Germany
2. Brasil
3. Argentina
4. Portugal
5. Switzerland
6. Poland
7. Chile
8. Colombia
9. France
10. Belgium
--
How/why did Portugal rise to 4th, ahead of Chile, even after finishing behind them (and Germany) in said Cup?
What have Poland+Switzerland done in these past few months to warrant a 5th and 6th place?
This is why Fifa rankings are silly, they seem inconsistent even with their own criteria.
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