Like Japan?
Japan has basically been irrelevant since the launch of the PS3.
Like Japan?
We've never seen Sony taking any other route but cutting edge so why do you assume this should be obvious to anybody?
This.
I expect Sony to learn almost nothing from the PS3, and the Vita should have reminded people of that.
PS4 will end up another "hard to work with, but worth the effort" expensive console.
I hope for their sake it's not, but remember, while Kaz is a new CEO, he's not exactly fresh blood.
Bear said:What? The 360 outsold the PS3 in North America, but the PS3 outsold the 360 in every other major region (Europe, Japan and the remaining WW sales).
Japan has basically been irrelevant since the launch of the PS3.
Developers are jumping for joy at what's inside the PS4, from a development perspective.
The PS3 was a disaster in every metric that mattered. That they managed to salvage it with fantastic quality software and hardware sell-through numbers that were no longer pathetic is like telling a dude who's bleeding from his jugular that his arms and legs are still mostly attached.
Why? The rumored GPU is in the same ballpark as the GPU that the Wii U is based of, or even a little slower and the CPU is far from a speed demon as well. Those integrated graphics won't make that big a difference.
So giving the PS4 8GB of main ram and 2-4GB of vram is going to make it $500? Really?
RAM is so cheap today it's ridiculous... might as well take advantage.
And if it uses a desktop x64 quad core chip there's no way it's going to be anywhere close to $500 unless they put 64GB of DDR5 in. With the amount of money they'd save by going with AMD, they can more than likely afford to put more/faster memory in.
Hurray for the console wars!!
We need some XBox 720 "news"!!
I don't know. In conjunction with split memory pools, it would make a lot of sense to have a pool of streaming cores available to work on the CPU memory pool independently of whatever the GPU is doing.Seems like a complete waste of transistors. No reason to double up like that, unless one is dedicated to another screen or something. Even then, it's stupid.
Most PC's are like this at a high level ... though a laptop using Llano + discrete GPU would probably be a closer cousin in overall architecture.This rumor doesnt make much since. I would to see the logistics and datapaths for a machine like this.
Open enough applications on a PC and it matters16 gigs of ram would have 0 impact on gaming. Doesn't even help speed up general use. It's only utilized for specific purposes unrelated to gaming like VMs. None of which things consoles are going to do.
That's one reason why people are lol'ing at your suggestions.
StevieP, is the hardware speculators outside the industry are flux or the actual designers of the hardware still haven't made up their mind (which means the there is a possibility for this design's existence)?
PS3 is only a couple of millions behind 360 in WW sales. On top of that MS had cheaper console and a year head start in NA and year and a half in Europe. To have that pathetic "lead" is just well pathetic as I said.
Of course MS won but Sony didn't do so bad as haters want to make everyone believe.
And who knows what real sales of xbox 360 are when we know RROD factor.
In the end who cares about numbers, just don't try to make Sony look like they sol 20 million of their consoles. vs close to 70 million in reality.
I repeat MS won vs Sony but no matter what Sony was never going to repeat their PS1,2 dominance, and they never will in the future. Those days are gone
I don't have any specifics in regards to IGN's source. Just that whatever is in dev kits doesn't necessarily match the final 2012/2013 *targets* for these consoles - which have already been speculated in other threads. This includes the Wii U kits and the Durango kits. What IGN is looking at is not necessarily a representation of the final hardware, which can be modified up until 6-9 months prior to launch. In the finalization stages, the most they can do is bump up (or down) stuff like clock speeds. Early dev kits often end up being poor-but-workable representations of the final hardware.
VG247 will probably fulfill your wish, just give them time to come up with their own nonsense rumor to gain back those hits. It's hits war out there.
In the markets that matter, the PS3 has been absolutely destroyed.
Like Europe?
PS3 is only a couple of millions behind 360 in WW sales. On top of that MS had cheaper console and a year head start in NA and year and a half in Europe. To have that pathetic "lead" is just well pathetic as I said.
Of course MS won but Sony didn't do so bad as haters want to make everyone believe.
And who knows what real sales of xbox 360 are when we know RROD factor.
In the end who cares about numbers, just don't try to make Sony look like they sol 20 million of their consoles. vs close to 70 million in reality.
I repeat MS won vs Sony but no matter what Sony was never going to repeat their PS1,2 dominance, and they never will in the future. Those days are gone
I don't have any specifics in regards to IGN's source. Just that whatever is in dev kits doesn't necessarily match the final 2012/2013 *targets* for these consoles - which have already been speculated in other threads. This includes the Wii U kits and the Durango kits. What IGN is looking at is not necessarily a representation of the final hardware, which can be modified up until 6-9 months prior to launch. In the finalization stages, the most they can do is bump up (or down) stuff like clock speeds. Early dev kits often end up being poor-but-workable representations of the final hardware.
IGN said:For further clarification, the chips being used in the PlayStation 4 are based on the off-the-shelf parts detailed above and are being custom tooled for the console. Exact specs may vary.
Aye, thanks. Looks like things will be going round in circles till E3 (or thereabout) next year.
IGN updated their article with the following:
I think this does sound like the specs they give are indeed for the devkits.
Wish IGN would make it clear they are talking about the devkits rather than PS4!
So how powerful are these specs in comparison to 720's rumored specs
So how powerful are these specs in comparison to 720's rumored specs
Microsoft shoots for the moon. Sony shoots for the sun.
So how powerful are these specs in comparison to 720's rumored specs
Yeah, but that was at at time when GPUs were quite different to today. I don't see the gain over one larger GPU?
Also, a 7670+3850 APU wouldn't, on aggregate, be as good as some alternative rumours so I kind of hope this isn't true.
Question tech GAF.
Would one powerful AMD 7850-7870 GPU be better in the long run than the A8-3850/7670 combo?
IGN speculated that Microsoft were using the exact same GPU.
How likely is it that MS is also going to AMD for the CPU?
With the rumor that Sony is using DirectX, it would be pretty funny if both systems end up literally identical. Even then console fanboys would argue which has the better versions of games.
StevieP said:Somewhere in between "remarkably and ridiculously similar" to "the Gamecube to the Xbox" depending on who you ask. As they did with IBM this generation, it seems Sony and Microsoft are sleeping with the same syphilitic hookers.
Glorified G said:Question tech GAF.
Would one powerful AMD 7850-7870 GPU be better in the long run than the A8-3850/7670 combo?
How likely is it that MS is also going to AMD for the CPU?
With the rumor that Sony is using DirectX, it would be pretty funny if both systems end up literally identical. Even then console fanboys would argue which has the better versions of games.
How likely is it that MS is also going to AMD for the CPU?
With the rumor that Sony is using DirectX, it would be pretty funny if both systems end up literally identical. Even then console fanboys would argue which has the better versions of games.
Damn, MS and Sony are basically going to make the same system. Which IMO isn't good for Sony.
Question tech GAF.
Would one powerful AMD 7850-7870 GPU be better in the long run than the A8-3850/7670 combo?
I still think Sony will use OpenGL or some variant (like PSGL) on their end.
Damn, MS and Sony are basically going to make the same system. Which IMO isn't good for Sony.
theBishop said:They've been going with their own OpenGL ES implementation on PS3 and Vita. Nothing else really makes sense, I doubt Sony could license DirectX if they wanted to. Anything else would just be adding unnecessary complication.
Dude MS OWNS DirectX. MS alone owns it. No way they would let sony use it
Since when did 8 million buyers suddenly become "irrelevant"?
Edit: Thanks StevieP for showing up.
Seem ign used the same rumors for both nexbox and ps4.
The apu by itself is more powerful than RSX in the ps3.
GeForce 7900 GT 623 - [RSX is a little lower performance than this card]
Radeon HD 6550D 637
Radeon HD 7770 1932
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
Why? I've said this for more than a year now, but next gen is going to be more about services and experiences you provide to the customer. First party studios and the user experience on the platform are the differentiators more than anything else.
Software software software.
No, it's nothing like that, at all.