Thunder Monkey
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Shane Satterfield: Wii U Launch Line-Up is looking "pretty damn good".
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I don't think the writing in this thread is that bad.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong. But color me very skeptical.
Mithos
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Problem is Nintendo fans are used to get fucked by 3rd parties, so unless 3rd parties KEEPS giving out their games on Wii U over and over again, and not 1 game and bad sales = no more game it will fail for them.
I mean WHY buy a game in a series if you don't know if the sequel will ever come on the same platform?
DragonKnight
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Ok. This is the stupidest post I have ever read in this forum. Ever.
Well if GTA5 sells bad on Wii U, there's no hope for anyone else unless you're CoD.
Mithos
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Well its the truth, no matter if a game sell bad or good, developers/publishers find an excuse to not release the next game in the series on Nintendos platforms.
Best selling or on par selling Soul Calibur 2, Burnout series, where is the Soul Calibur 3 or Burnout 3 on Nintendo platform to make 2 examples?
3rd parties don't STICK with it and ride it out for the long run.
PS360 version will sell way better then the Wii U version (if there will be one) is my guess.
DragonKnight
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The first part of your post made sense. But the second part didn't. So if GTAV drops on the WiiU I shouldn't get it for fear of not getting GTAVI?
Edit: At some point the axe has to fall to nintendo and they need to get third parties involved. Sony style.
excaliburps
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I can't help but give a hearty chuckle with all the "Wii U must be getting CoD" statements...and I'm inclined to agree!
Call of Duty Wii U confirmed!!11!!
Call of Duty Wii U confirmed!!11!!
To be fair, there was absolutely nothing about Soul Calibur 3 that made any sense whatsoever.
"Hey, you know that other competitive fighting game franchise we have? Let's skip over an arcade release initially and have it exclusive to the PS2, ignoring the other two systems it sold quite well on!"
Criminal Upper
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The thing is, I don't want GTA or CoD on my WiiU.
I want good, interesting games.
I want good, interesting games.
Namco was doing Xbox and GC owners a favor man.
Any word if those 360/PS3 ports are still part of Wii U's launch lineup? I can't see any reason why people would pay for a new console just to play Batman AA, or Dirt or maybe even Darksiders (unless they do something so amazingly unique with the controller, which is not really likely).
I hope the GT dude meant exclusive games from Nintendo and maybe a couple third party surprises instead of ports of excellent (although old) current gen games.
I hope the GT dude meant exclusive games from Nintendo and maybe a couple third party surprises instead of ports of excellent (although old) current gen games.
DragonKnight
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Third parties all need to be on board and the online has to be competent. No bullshit. No waiting til after launch. This thing has a lot of shoes to fill, questions to answer, and naysayers to damn. I'm scared to think what this thing's Achilles heel will be. The 64 had one, the GCN had one, and the Wii had one. Hasn't nintendo run out of feet to shoot themselves in yet? And fuck them profiting. I'm a gamer and them profiting isn't a primary concern. My primary concern is them delivering a system that has awesome first and third party support and competent online. Anything less than that after their previous three generations is just a big disappointment Acebandage and all his followers be damned.
DragonKnight
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Sorry we all don't have the same taste as you. Fuck COD but i'm very intrigued by GTAV and will be extremely disappointed if there isn't a WiiU version.
You can have both!
Criminal Upper
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Yeah, I have a 360 and play it alot....I just kinda don't want a lot of ports. Aside from Aliens, I really don't see alot of 3rd parties actually, you know, bothering developing cool stuff with the tablet controller.
That was the one with the RTS mode, wasn't it?
Sooooo many bad ideas surrounding that game.
Well the thing is I don't play that much third party games to begin with except for a few here and there including Fallout and Saint's Row. I'm not interested in Microsoft's first party or Sony's for that matter. In my opinion as long as Wii U receiving third party support and has a decent online infrastructure then it should keep me busy.
If the Wii U doesn't get the next Fallout game I'm going to have to buy the console it's on.
What's wrong with having more games? Hell if Wii U has GTA V then there would be no need for me to buy it on my 360.
Mithos
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What I'm saying is that it will not even enter the MIND of a PS360 owner to NOT get the next game in the series on their platform, but it WILL enter the mind on a Nintendo platform owner because it has happened to many times before.
So they may think why invest in it get hooked, when there is a big possibility to not getting any more games in the series.
Dead Space, Bioshock, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, is there ANYONE who expect these series to NOT get another game on PS360 (well 3 of them have already been announced)?
But there is a different tune for Wii U, and I GOD DAMN HOPE it purely because NDA developers/publishers are saying no plan to make a Wii U version on those series atm, and not actually for real no plans to do them.
To be honest I'm not too concerned about the game's quality if it is happening, I think it would probably comparable to Next Level Games' situation where they make mostly mediocre games outside of their Nintendo collaborations like Punch-Out!! and Luigi's Mansion 2.
IMO you're going to be disappointed if you don't want a lot of ports. There's a good chance the system will become a port box outside of 1st party titles. At least for however long sales hold up.
Besides, having GTA or COD on the system doesn't mean we won't see interesting titles. =P
Then Nintendo fans claim they don't want ports. I don't get it.
IrishNinja
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didn't Iwata say he thought launch lineup was what bombed the 3DS initially, and that he was gonna stress a good one this time? Pikmin 3 and 2D mario demo thing right out the gate, with hope of some outside surprises is where i'd hedge my bets. 3rd party wise...yeah, mostly ports.
Hmm. I tend to think everyone deserves a share of the blame, including Nintendo. But paying for advertising, buying middleware tools, providing developing support, relinquishing launch spotlight for the 3DS.. it's pretty obvious that they are indeed making an effort. So I ask: at what point is Nintendo doing enough?
Theory: for some folks (*cough*), I suspect the answer is "never."
But hey, if third parties want to skip the U, I look forward to seeing how that works out for 'em.
Way to generalize. There are a good number of us looking forward to those launch ports. A good game is a good game.
thestopsign
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I'm surprised that a lot of people aren't expecting any E3 reveals. The Wii U devkit has been out in the wild in various forms for quite a while, at least from E3 2011 until launch, which should be a year and a half. We don't know what Nintendo has coming in general, we don't know what many Japanese dev houses have coming, and we've only had some support announced from western devs.
John Harker
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Are third party ports such a bad thing for launch?
For a lot of Wii owners, that's access to content and franchises they've never had a chance to play before. I think having major franchises available day 1 on a new console is a good strategy
For a lot of Wii owners, that's access to content and franchises they've never had a chance to play before. I think having major franchises available day 1 on a new console is a good strategy
They need:
-Good sdk, tools and development support
-Good online infrastructure (receptive to all kinds of downloadable titles, DLC, and patches, no size limits or price restrictions etc)
-Supports all popular middleware
-Ability to support popular *future* middleware (publishers wont be in the dark on the hardware of future consoles - they'll be able to guess if it has the ability to support future advanced techs that aren't massively cut down)
-Reasonable certification requirements (no policies against content the other consoles get or policies that significant content must be Wii U exclusive)
-Speedy QA
etc
Sammy Samusu
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Of course not, why would third-parties develop big exclusive games for Wii U?
Look at the current generation of HD consoles... they share 95% of every third-party release.
I think the situationis more like "varied third-party games that we have played in the past few months."
Fantastical
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After the 3DS it better have a spectacular launch.
I'm scared I'm going to buy this console at launch.
Christberg
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Exactly. Hit it early and hard if humanly possible.
It's a great strategy and a showing of good faith.
ScreenSplitter
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Unless they somehow revamp NSMB's art style, there's no reason why that can't be out for launch. Maybe cross-compatibility with the 3DS version, start as you mean to go on?
Glorified G
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They DO have a chance to play these titles. Which is why I don't get this logic. If an exclusive Wii owner by now had any interest in Arkham City, Grand Theft Auto etc..they wouldn't be exclusive Wii owners.
That came from the devs, but it has to be seen to be believed... if the differences are minimal, not enough to justify a whole new machine just for that.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Well said, not everybody has played all those games plus they could have substantial or noticeable improvements to them.
But not everyone wants to buy a second system.
IrishNinja
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*this statement needs so many caveats, not limited to berserk, cowboy bebop/samurai champloo, Golgo 13, GITTS: SAC, etc etc
i don't yet either, but i'm hoping to be surprised, again. for example, that sega Aliens Colonel Marione one, hoping they use the pad as a radar or something. without stuff like that, id say the best chance it has being my go-to multi-plat box next gen is if sony charges for online too, or both do the used game rumor thing.
yeah, this is a realistic bar right here.
ViewtifulJC
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This is like saying "why should I buy a new IP title when I don't have a guarantee that there will ever be a sequel? Why invest myself into something that I might never play again?" I dunno, because it's GOOD?!
Your scenario is, essentially, what's wrong with fans of the industry. Congratulations.
I still think the ability to stream any game to the tablet when the TV is in use is good. I'd definitely like to see Sony expand Remote Play's support for the same purpose.
The problem is, I don't think that's enough by itself for WiiU.
Probably every person on this board has built up an account(s) with Xbox Live, Playstation Network or Steam. And I doubt many people use them all equally. So when the next big multiplatform game comes out, are you going to buy it on WiiU for the streaming functionality, or the account you already prefer? Even if you're a big Nintendo fan, and you own an Xbox360. Are you going to start buying everything for WiiU when you already have a big 360 library and Xbox Live account? For the superfans, maybe but probably not for most.
This needs to become ban worthy.
Exactly. I liken it to IM client and social media user bases. Remember when ICQ and MySpace were the shit? Why on earth would anyone change services when all your friends are already on your ICQ list and MySpace friends lists?
Oh, they DID?! Well, never mind then.
Yeah, loyalty to online platforms isn't as strong as people think it is. Especially when you PAY for at least one of them.
Or they can moneyhat usbisoft to delay AS3 for the other consoles, and make it a long timed exclusive for Wii U.
boyshine
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There will be a time when the next big multiplatform game is out for both PS3 and PS4 (or Xbox 360 and Xbox 720).. Unless you make a deal with everone on your friendlist to buy the new console at the same time, there will be a transition where you have to make a choice between friendlist or go to a new console. You will not be able to play PS3 COD vs PS4 COD, so in the end it doesnt matter...
So, yes.. if I can have everything on Wii U (not really a fan of any Sony/MS 1st party IPs), that would be perfect for me. I couldnt care less about my accounts. A all-you-need console is far more enticing.
But we already know you won't have everything on WiiU. Unless you happily skipped every great 3rd party game since 2006 (or played on PC I guess). WiiU's launch seems like a pretty arbitrary time to decide you'd rather play the same games on a different (likely more expensive) system.
Maybe I'm misreading people's buying habits. Do most people buy 3rd party games 50/50 between PS3 or 360 or do they favor one? I agree it's better to have an "all-you-need" console, which is why I'm saying this.
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