krypt0nian
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Not sure what you're point is here.
Not surprising.
Oh and your.
Not sure what you're point is here.
Not really, I have clear definitions for what I consider to be actual advertising and what I consider promo material.
Not surprising.
A promo IS advertising. You are making a consumer aware of your product with the purpose of selling said content. Even if it's a link to a free You Tube video, they are either trying to sell a Gold account to a silver member, or they are trying to get you to watch the video that will no doubt have third party ads to click away while the video plays.
Well this has been fun, but to be brutally honest, you're going off point and I'd rather not derail the thread.
A promo IS advertising. You are making a consumer aware of your product with the purpose of selling said content. Even if it's a link to a free You Tube video, they are either trying to sell a Gold account to a silver member, or they are trying to get you to watch the video that will no doubt have third party ads to click away while the video plays.
It's a long standing schtick when it comes to Xbox dashboard discussions. "Promotion of things" is not advertising in the eyes of some people.
A promo IS advertising. You are making a consumer aware of your product with the purpose of selling said content. Even if it's a link to a free You Tube video, they are either trying to sell a Gold account to a silver member, or they are trying to get you to watch the video that will no doubt have third party ads to click away while the video plays.
Love these threads.
it is a weird, sad universe when people are this bothered by stuff.
The television analogy sure is terrible. I'm okay with television showing ads because:
a) ads support the channel itself, your cable bill just gets you the channel(s) -(like the web)
b) I have DVR, so I can just skip ads on most everything I watch... worst comes to worst I just change the channel.
I don't really even watch tv outside of HBO and Adult Swim, and HBO, a premium channel I pay extra for, only shows me ads relevant to their own service and its programming.
The important thing to take away from the discussion is that people don't even consider the "ads" on PSN, Wii or Steam as such- they feel appropriate to the service. I like signing on and having my console/service tell me about new games or new services/apps, because it helps my own gaming experience. At its absolute worst it at least feels feels relevant to the service.
The problem I have with "TV-like advertisements" is that the average person pays 60 dollars a year, and for what? To get more ads then they'd get on rival platforms? When I sign on to one console and see ads for Jeep, Old Spice and Mountain Dew, while its "rival" is telling me about new games I might want to know about, which one is doing me the greater service? Ironically its the free services that seems to treat my dollar with the most respect.
So what are you paying for? Xbox Live is just P2P gaming, and its not like the ads dont make enough money to cover server maintenance. Really, that money is just being recycled back into a marketing machine that wants to squeeze even more money out of you. They want you to keep paying to do things you already paid for (Netflix, HBO, etc) just on the console instead. It feels cheap, maybe even a little gross, and the only people that win are the people who want new Call of Duty content in a reasonable timeframe. "TV-like advertisements" are an even further abstraction from why I play videogames, and evidence of where I'm sure some people would like to see videogames headed.
OMG I paid $X for this service and they've raised the price and continue to place more and more ads while minimizing space for my content.OMG!
OMG I paid $X for this service and they've raised the price and continue to place more and more ads while minimizing space for my content.
Its not a magazine or a happy meal.
Its also not a car.
It's a long standing schtick when it comes to Xbox dashboard discussions. "Promotion of things" is not advertising in the eyes of some people. As long as you don't call it advertising, it's not advertising.
"Freelance PR for Microsoft" ah now I see.
I'm imagining some GAF members going out for dinner, seeing a folded sheet at their table near the condiments showcasing summer drinks and desserts, and flipping out.
Fixedwhy are people so bothered about other people being not bothered
You'll notice an obvious pattern to most of Speedy's posting habits. At times I thought it was the work of an expert troll or viral marketing. Now I don't know what to think.
OMG I paid $X for this service and they've raised the price and continue to place more and more ads while minimizing space for my content.
Its not a magazine or a happy meal.
Its also not a car.
Dude, I'm like, right here.
why are people so bothered about other people being bothered
The point you're missing is that a happy meal is not a service. Xbox Live is. You pay for it, and it continually changes after the point of purchase. I personally have a problem with how it is evolving.Magazine and Happy Meal prices have risen, what's your point?
Advertise according to Merriam Webster.This is where we disagree, but you do make a valid point.
I wouldn't like that. But seeing as how I've never complained about 5 second AMD/nvidia ads on PC, I don't know if that'd make me a hypocrite or not.I'm imagining some GAF members being treated to a 30 second commercial before every Xbox game they play (and paid $60 for) and defending it when it comes under fire.
but then there are people who are bothered about the people who are bothered about people who are not bothered. why then bother the bothering bothers who bother because they feel the bother is a matter for bothering rather then bother for the sake of the botherSame reasons some people are bothered by other people not being bothered I'd imagine.
The point you're missing is that a happy meal is not a service. Xbox Live is. You pay for it, and it continually changes after the point of purchase. I personally have a problem with how it is evolving.
In exchange for my (increased) fee I unlock the ability to use my xbox for peer-to-peer multiplayer, access to otherwise free apps, and ever more ads taking ever more space. Its a raw deal and in my opinion it shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.
If you don't mind it, fine. Really, we're good. But forum discussions like these can be helpful to register our disgust at this direction, to justify it and to present alternatives.
Those can annoy the shit out of me, but mainly when they try to be cute and make it unique... but longer and unskippable. I think Borderlands did exactly that, stuff like how the Witcher 2 handled it was fine however.I wouldn't like that. But seeing as how I've never complained about 5 second AMD/nvidia ads on PC, I don't know if that'd make me a hypocrite or not.
Nope, still no reason to activate my XBL membership again. 360 continues to collect dust. The bastard child of my collection.
Sell it then, why keep it? Or do you do keep it around so you can pop into threads to let everyone know you have one and it's collecting dust.
The problem is there aren't any alternatives in the console sphere. Maybe when Sony get their heads out of their arse and put some effort into developing a good, robust online service that offers the same functionality as live, we'll finally see MS sweat and either drop the live fee (very unlikely) or add value through various methods. Hell, maybe they'll even go down the PS+ route and start to offer select games for 'free', but none of this will potentially happen until the pressure from competitors is there.
The problem is there aren't any alternatives in the console sphere. Maybe when Sony get their heads out of their arse and put some effort into developing a good, robust online service that offers the same functionality as live, we'll finally see MS sweat and either drop the live fee (very unlikely) or add value through various methods. Hell, maybe they'll even go down the PS+ route and start to offer select games for 'free', but none of this will potentially happen until the pressure from competitors is there.
advertising sells, the majority of what people consider to be ads on XBL don't try to sell you something. They inform you of what's available.
quote of the thread.
I keep it because I wait for the day for Microsoft to get with the rest of the world and offer XBL for free, and remove all the ads.
I also disagree with your prior statement, the PSN is just as good as XBL, for zero the cost. I have had zero complaints with it. Nintendo has a long ways to go.
PS3 online is very good. I switch over this year from xbxo 360 and the only thing I dont like is the updates.
Play bf3 online on PS3 and its great. PS3 online is amazing compared to when it launched. It was sooo bad. Now i cant really tell a difference between xbox and ps3 online. What do you see that is different?
Indeed. There aren't any alternatives. That's why it's somewhat understandable that people (like you) are defending these type of practices, because they simply have nowhere else to go.
Microsoft will push advertising on the 360 further and further, and people will keep defending it until the end of time, unless a competitor steps up their game.
It would be irrational to argue that more ads is not detrimental to the service. The fact that it's a paid service only compounds that fact.
However, if these advertiser partnerships lead to more content providers on the service as well as more content for current apps (Monday Night Football on ESPN), it can be seen as potentially beneficial to the service (for some people at least).
I guess we'll see this E3, where MS is reportedly going to have a strong focus on new entertainment offerings.
If you are so inclined to defend your 360 purchase, I see this as a much better argument than the "ads aren't ads" nonsense.
But if those E3 announcements are sub par, it can be inferred that these advertising deals are only in place because MS is trying to get as much as they can from their loyal, locked-in customers.
I keep it because I wait for the day for Microsoft to get with the rest of the world and offer XBL for free, and remove all the ads.
I can't wait for next gen when Sony charges for online. Seems to be the way they're going, adding features to PS+ that already exist on Live, but you pay for them. They got off pretty lucky this gen, only releasing PSN free since it was barebones and had to compete with XBL and now you have a lot of ignorant people assuming Sony does it out of good will.
Now now, I'm pro-current dash and pro-paying for XBL, but PSN+ has much better discounts than Gold. This month has been especially brutal.I find it hilarious that I pay $30-40 a year for XBL, getting features that are unavailable on other consoles for free or at all, like party chat, beacons, cloud storage, and weekly discounts (not to mention a better marketplace browser, demos for everything and better friends list/achievement integration), and at the same time I pay $170 a MONTH for me and my girls combined phone bill. A MONTH. Yeah, I can pay way less, but we enjoy our features.
If they announced that MNF is coming to the ESPN app I would be stunned. Do you have any evidence to suggest that is happening, or are you just speculating? That is probably ESPN's most valuable property.
Considering how little of ESPN's valuable properties are not available on the ESPN 360 app, I highly doubt they're going to suddenly throw their MOST valuable property on that app.
Download progress has always been in the Guide menu, far as I can tell. If you've had trouble finding it since the Guide menu change in 2008, I don't know what to tell you.The metro interface is already so slow. And take so much steps to get where you want. Wanna know where are the download progress bar? Good luck.
PS3 interface, you are ugly but you are nice.
I'm surprised people seem to be wishing for Sony to charge instead of everyone having free online next gen.
I'm surprised people seem to be wishing for Sony to charge instead of everyone having free online next gen.