Cool. I'll probably watch Thor tonight, and at that point I'll have seen #'s 1-4 on your list. If I like Avengers a lot I might check out the other two.
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Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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TacticalFox88
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At some point there has to be a line drawn SOME fucking where.
Manmademan
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you're probably 100% correct here.
Captain America was awesome
IM2 is definitely better than hulk and equal or better than Thor. The hate it gets is fucking ridiculous. It has all of the positives of the first movie, and while it has a negative or two compared to it, if you liked IM1 there's no way to dislike 2. (Like it less? sure. Dislike? no).
Thor is still more relevant to Avengers though.
Thor is still more relevant to Avengers though.
I suggest watching them all in order of theatrical release. The callbacks in Avengers makes it worth it.
The improvement of Hulk from the previous movies to the Avengers is like 1000000000x though. You'll love the Avengers.
Manmademan
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PhoncipleBone
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One hour to go and the line has swelled. Probably a good 40 people now. Second viewing will be nuts.
Escape Goat
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I clicked on the spoiler thread because it said THE AVENGERS. I looked away from the screen and carefully exited out of the thread. Phew.
I have to wait until Monday to see it.
The things we do for love.
I have to wait until Monday to see it.
The things we do for love.Manmademan
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I clicked on the spoiler thread because it said THE AVENGERS. I looked away from the screen and carefully exited out of the thread. Phew.
I have to wait until Monday to see it.
plenty of spoilers in this one too. I'd avoid both just to be safe.
I'd probably put Capt. America over Hulk 1 for having Christoph Waltz...
Nope, IM2 is just a generic robot bashing film for me. IM1 was criticized for having a weak enemy and they made it WORSE in IM2.
Besides, Norse mythology is the shit, just like how you should only play Skyrim as a Nord.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Major character death is a cheap way to raise the stakes and also a REALLY cheap emotional beat. It works in plot-heavy things like A Song Of Ice and Fire because it sends the story in unexpected directions, but Whedon has an awful habit of using it as a crutch in all of his work, which is doubly disappointing coming from a writer as strong as he is.
There is no need to kill off an Avenger. A skilled writer can raise the stakes without resorting to bumping Hulk off or something.
There is no need to kill off an Avenger. A skilled writer can raise the stakes without resorting to bumping Hulk off or something.
How feasible is a sequel? The fact that we have an Avengers movie connected with 5 individual superhero movies before it was miracle enough. And that is with a recast, although in this case the recast was better. Can they keep the cast? The director? Must we go through the S.H.I.E.L.D. hoopla again for each movies? Every movie after this must acknowledge the events of Avengers, that might be a nightmare for writers.
I'm not saying they HAVE to kill anyone off. I'm just saying that knowing that such an occurrence isn't even ON THE TABLE really takes the wind out of the sails. Especially for the villain of Avengers 2, who GAF tells me has done some world-ending shit in the comics. That should make for a terrifying scenario in Avengers 2, but it doesn't because I know everyone is always safe.
DrForester
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I think they're all contracted for several more films each.
Manmademan
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a sequel isn't just "feasible", it's guaranteed. I know Ruffalo is signed for 6 films, some of them Avengers movies. I imagine the rest of the cast is in the same boat.
Shit happens, so its possible an actor or director might have to be replaced. oddly enough, since SHIELD and its links to the characters has already been established, there's no reason to shoehorn them in again. We already know they will work with SHIELD if asked.
That being said, completely expect that any individual movies coming out after this WILL have some kind of tie to Avengers 2. it might not be shield, and it might not be a superweapon, but there will be something. As for "a nightmare for writers", writers familiar with comics have been dealing with 40 or 50 years worth of backstory when putting arcs together. One movie is nothing.
Interesting, the Shield girl is also signed on for 6 future films. Guess she's the new Coulson.
Very feasible if the movie kills it at the box office and nearly impossible if it does poorly which as far as I know it isn't.
ViewtifulJC
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The real question is how long is Downey Jr gonna stick around. After Iron Man 3, dude's gonna be closing in on 50. He probably doesn't want to do this stuff forever.
What!? She's hot there too.
Escape Goat
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You're nuttier than a Tim Horton's maple log.
She's not in a skin tight catsuit in HIMYM.
Manmademan
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Yea, I know the character. Just saying she's gonna be the Shield contact in future movies. I dont mind, she's hot.
While they signed for more movies, as you said shit can happen and many things can happen between this movie and its sequel. I'm no expert on this, though so I'm just asking. Can a Norton-Ruffalo or Howard-Cheadle situation happen even though all of them has signed?
As for the writers, the comic writers have an easier time writing for the comic audiences, but I reckon movie writers won't have the same luxury. We have people here asking where War Machine is and have to come up with a theory on why he wasn't on the movie.
Manmademan
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which is a pretty strong argument for the
"coulsen is really, seriously dead" theory
edit: whoops
as for 1.) absolutely. there can be fallout between actors and directors, people get injured, people get pregnant- contracts aren't 100% guarantees. they just make certain things more likely.
as for 2.) Comic audiences are NOTORIOUSLY picky. Things like "where is hero x?" have to be addressed in print, just as they would in film. I'd expect the actors and directors to encourage you to watch Iron Man 3 for answers about War Machine.
DrForester
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How much action does Downey really have to do though? He probably has the easiest job as far as filming difficulty. Just need him for action scenes if he's fighting without the helmet.
Norton was the first movie, was he contracted that far out? And weren't there rumors that he was making unreasonable demands about having control of the character?
Far as Howard goes, depends on who's story to believe, but I imagine they went with Cheadle for more name recognition. Iron Man was not the most household of names before the first movie, I don't think they ever expected it to be the top grossing film of the bunch.
Movie was fun as hell. Comics have a wide range when it comes to types of storytelling, but I always have a spot for loud, action oriented superhero stuff. This movie hits that note perfectly. Beautifully executed humor and action with a great dynamic between a lot if characters. I really don't fell much one way or the other for Whedon, but he nailed this.
gundamkyoukai
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The villain they have for Avengers 2 is crazy powerfully .
I see a deus ex machina coming form Avengers 2 , it's great we get to see him in a movie but they going to have to be careful with him .
Does someone do motion capture for Iron Man? It'd seem impossible without that.
TheKaeptain
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WAT?
Came back a bit ago after seeing it, what a fantastic film.
Went in with almost no expectations besides wondering if Joss Whedon would have actually managed to do it, but boy did he, from the time the film started till it ended I barely moved, my popcorn didn't leave the floor under my seat (so as not to knock it over) and I barely touched my drink.
To weave a plot around so many characters and tie all these films so far together was great, and some of our favourite heroes all working together on the big screen was a delight to see, really looking forward to what they do next.
I would also totally watch a new Hulk film with Mark Ruffalo, thought he portrayed the conflict he would have in his situation really well and for a guy who came in to replace Ed Norton from the actual tied in Hulk film did great.
Went in with almost no expectations besides wondering if Joss Whedon would have actually managed to do it, but boy did he, from the time the film started till it ended I barely moved, my popcorn didn't leave the floor under my seat (so as not to knock it over) and I barely touched my drink.
To weave a plot around so many characters and tie all these films so far together was great, and some of our favourite heroes all working together on the big screen was a delight to see, really looking forward to what they do next.
I would also totally watch a new Hulk film with Mark Ruffalo, thought he portrayed the conflict he would have in his situation really well and for a guy who came in to replace Ed Norton from the actual tied in Hulk film did great.
Manmademan
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That guy's high. Waltz isn't in it.
Remember how excited you got when you saw the post-credits scene in Iron Man?
That was four years ago.
I can't believe this movie managed to deliver on four years of hype.
That was four years ago.
I can't believe this movie managed to deliver on four years of hype.
DrForester
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I remember asking a comic friend of mine who Samuel L Jackson was supposed to be, and then asking why he was replacing Ben Stiller....
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