plagiarize
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bullshots have been par for the course for Ninja Gaiden games, if I remember right, so I wouldn't read too much into that. could be. could not be.
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Nintendo Rep: Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Nintendo Land will ship in 720p (Pikmin 3 is 60fps)
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bullshots have been par for the course for Ninja Gaiden games, if I remember right, so I wouldn't read too much into that. could be. could not be.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'm sure both the PS3 and the 360 could easily run NSMBU @ 1080p60, so no, doing that should require no "solid hardware bump" at all. There's no excuse for it to run at 720p if the Wii U is indeed on par with those consoles.
As a PC gamer (and a console gamer, and a handheld gamer), I do not care a lick about 1080p, 60fps, AA or any of that other jazz.
Give me games that are fun to play and I'll give you money.
The Xtortionist
Member
My question is if NSMBU's physics are tightened up from the Wii version.
nordique
Member
No surprises here. I figure all next gen consoles will be doing 720p mainly too, especially to get "better" graphics (more effects) vs. IQ
Btw....has anyone noticed how awesome the lighting effects have been in some of the Nintendo titles? Pikmin 3 and NintendoLand both have exceptional lighting...
Btw....has anyone noticed how awesome the lighting effects have been in some of the Nintendo titles? Pikmin 3 and NintendoLand both have exceptional lighting...
Vire
Member
If you are paying close to 300 dollars for a new piece of hardware it is normal to expect some sort of competency.
NSMBU not at 1080p/60fps is inexcusable and downright embarrassing.
That's part of it, but another part is that it frequently pushes more polygons than the Galaxy games. Gelato Beach and Noki Bay are probably the best examples.
Bearded Dudebro
Member
As long as they run smooth and are playable and fun, I'm ok with them being 480i
This word is meaningless. If I were to pay close to $300 for a new piece of hardware, it would be normal for me to expect to play games on it that I like. That is all.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Yeah but it's not Team Ninja's usual bullshot fuckridiculous IQ. Nintendo seems to be handling the screenshots this time since they're publishing, so there's jaggies galore.
Okay so here:
There's definitely some AA here.
And Ninja Dog 3:
There's aliasing and textures that Tecmo's Lie-O-Matic Screenshot Generator would never allow, and it's the only game in the press packs that is 1080p.
AstroNut325
Member
The mind of a Nintendo fan! Spend money on new hardware! Expect last gen results!
Seriously.... the current consoles could very easily dish out New Mario at 720p at 60fps. And the Wii is suppose to be a step above the HD-twins. So where is that step?
Here's hoping for Nintendo's demise. Their next-gen is just previous gen in new packaging. No Thanks.
Eteric Rice
Member
I get the feeling this is a set standard in the company and not a technical thing.
Vire
Member
What's the point of the new hardware then? Why should you have to plop down $300 if it isn't offering anything different other than a means to continue to play new games. The Wii could just as easily run NSMBU.
I don't understand it...
I don't want Nintendo's demise, I think that's a bit much. I want them to come to their senses.
Enjoy the Xbox 720 and PS4 when you see games at 720p at 60 FPS as standard, with a few being 1080 and running at 30 FPS.
People love overreacting to things...
Erm.
Ok.
What's the point? New types of gameplay. New features. New lots of things. Believe it or not, horsepower isn't the only thing that determines the value of new hardware. In many ways, it's the least important thing, because it doesn't really flex the creative muscle of developers very much. It's just a pathway to adding polygons.
The most interesting thing about NSMB U to me, apart from it just looking like a great Mario game, is the Miiverse integration.
Yea, let's all hope they go out of business because I don't like their new system! Logic at its finest...
And even if the Wii U sold, like, Vita amounts, they'd still wouldn't be going anywhere so you might as well get used to it.
Vanillalite
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Still shouldn't matter for the games we are discussing here. NSMB WiiU isn't exactly going to be killing the fill rate on a machine. Heck the 360's problem just is the embedded RAM isn't large enough for the stuff being pulled in. I'm interesting to hear what 343i has done to get around this fact with the lighting model they are using.
I chalk it up to 3 things.
1) Devs just aren't use to this yet and/or are "lazy" and haven't put the work in
2) Final Dev Kits might just be getting there and/or final passes of things like AA just haven't been applied yet. So it's coming, but it's just in yet
3) The leaked specs aren't actually what the Wii-U really is (I'm still waiting for more confirmation this is the case).
Because the Wii U is capable of much more than the Wii, even if NSMBU isn't the game to show it off. And also, there is that screen thing.
AstroNut325
Member
If the 540 and the PS4 are still pushing 720p as the baseline I will abandon console gaming. Simple as that.
What a fantastic post.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
The "leaked specs" still leave us with a huge possible range of CPUs, GPUs, and RAM. Pretty much useless aside from being "better than 360."
Vire
Member
Personally, I don't really understand NSMBU as a launch game. It doesn't show off the second screens capabilities or the console's technical prowess. Seems like a poor choice to justify a new system.
Star collecting books and movies, then.
In that sense I don't get it either, but it'll make Nintendo a lot of $$$$$$$$$
You're right there; the main Wii U hook it has is Miiverse. Your mileage will wary with that, I suppose. I personally think it's pretty rad.
yeah, it's rubbish that 1080 is better than 720
you would need a tv bigger than 50 inches to really benefit from the extra detail that 1080 brings or sit really close to the tv !!!
Always-honest
Banned
Nope. They could downgrade it ofcourse
Vire
Member
I think you forget how good Super Mario Galaxy 2 looks.
Man I don't understand this. I have a 720p TV, I'm fine with games at that resolution. I'm sure in a few years I'll buy something bigger and with a higher resolution but meeehhh. It's diminishing returns for me. I don't give two shits if a game is in sub-native upscaled res if it's fun.
Always-honest
Banned
True. Different resolution though
AstroNut325
Member
You know... there is a thing called "PC gaming." Where 1080p and 60fps with eye-popping graphics and gameplay are delivered. I don't have to make sacrifices.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Which makes it really odd that it's the only game that Nintendo released screenshots of at 1080p. Not bullshot huge 4k print sizes with 16x AA, 1080p with jaggies and low res motion blur and all. It's a weird exception otherwise.
Did either version of the original garbage run at 1080?
Cjdamon042
Member
I honestly expected NSMBU to run at 1080p...
Doesn't Rayman Origins run at 1080p on PS3 and 360, or at least do something fancy to make it seem like it is? Will Legends run at 1080p (same method or otherwise) on WiiU? Would be a shame if it didn't :/
Though not a massive issue if it doesn't I guess.
Doesn't Rayman Origins run at 1080p on PS3 and 360, or at least do something fancy to make it seem like it is? Will Legends run at 1080p (same method or otherwise) on WiiU? Would be a shame if it didn't :/
Though not a massive issue if it doesn't I guess.
Yeah, as long as you have a spare $3000.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
1600p or nothing nintendo.
I can only judge a game by its native resolution, not its gameplay. Higher the resolution, the better the game etc.
I can only judge a game by its native resolution, not its gameplay. Higher the resolution, the better the game etc.
Then stick to PC because not a single next-gen system will deliver 1080p at 60FPS as standard.
Graphics Horse
Member
Mario looks like it's using some edge-detect masked blurring AA. (not sure the proper name for it)
Always-honest
Banned
Well, to be fair, we get reminded of it every other page in every other console related thread. Plus, we all have a pc. Just not obe tgat does the things you say.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
So is this good news or bad news or what? I'd like an answer from a realist.
That Mario screenshot is strange. Lots of it is AA'd well, but there's also some really obvious aliasing (look at Luigi's legs). I can only assume some post-processing thing.
It does. Also 60 FPS.
Jaded Alyx
Member
...It's a "system seller". What's so hard to understand about that? Or do you not realise how much the New Super Mario Bros. games sell?