For who?What an embarrassing post.
For who?What an embarrassing post.
Wow. Hopefully just a mild case of shock? I would probably pass out too.
I think so. She is being monitored in the ER, so I'm with her now. If anything changes with my brother they will call me.
I absolutely detest sentiments like this because there is no comparison to jumping from a building to avoid dying in a fire. It's not picking the best way to die quiclky because time is always on a suicidals side unless they are terminal.The so-called psychotically depressed person who tries to kill herself doesnt do so out of quote hopelessness or any abstract conviction that lifes assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fires flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. Its not desiring the fall; its terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling Dont! and Hang on!, can understand the jump. Not really. Youd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.
― David Foster Wallace, committed suicide in 2008
I don't think anyone can really understand how awful this is for a parent. I don't know what to say but you are going to have to be super strong for her and it won't be easy.
I absolutely detest sentiments like this because there is no comparison to jumping from a building to avoid dying in a fire. It's not picking the best way to die quiclky because time is always on a suicidals side unless they are terminal.
The person committing suicide because of the unendurable feeling they have, however, is incorrect. There is plenty of time to get help to avoid the suicide. It's not at all the same situation. If you have friends, family, access to healthcare, you can beat suicide and it does a disservice to depressed people to suggest suicide is in any way a rational solution to their problem.
I didn't miss the point at all. The perception is incorrect. It does not help the individual to understand the perception when the perception is misguided and irrational.Did you miss the point of the quote? Reality is meaningless in this situation, its all about the suicidal person's perception
I absolutely detest sentiments like this because there is no comparison to jumping from a building to avoid dying in a fire. It's not picking the best way to die quiclky because time is always on a suicidals side unless they are terminal.
The person committing suicide because of the unendurable feeling they have, however, is incorrect. There is plenty of time to get help to avoid the suicide. It's not at all the same situation. If you have friends, family, access to healthcare, you can beat suicide and it does a disservice to depressed people to suggest suicide is in any way a rational solution to their problem.
The quote is germaine to the discussion.Why are you guys doing your debate thing, take that fuckery elsewhere.
Again, has nothing to so with the suicide victim being flat out wrong and the family being right for not wanting him to commit suicide.You're the bystander on the street, not the person facing the flames.
I didn't miss the point at all. The perception is incorrect. It does not help the individual to understand the perception when the perception is misguided and irrational.
That's not to say that it can be stopped, but putting in understandable terms that don't apply is misguided. A person should not commit suicide due to depression - period.
The quote is germaine to the discussion.
The family's understandable reaction is is the result of the brother's wrong action. It's not a reflection on his mental health or possible cowardice but on the notion that OP's brother should not have tried to commit suicide to begin with and no eloquent quote is going to change that.
The quote is germaine to the discussion.
The family's understandable reaction is is the result of the brother's wrong action. It's not a reflection on his mental health or possible cowardice but on the notion that OP's brother should not have tried to commit suicide to begin with and no eloquent quote is going to change that.Again, has nothing to so with the suicide victim being flat out wrong and the family being right for not wanting him to commit suicide.
Its all well and good to say what people "should" do and to describe them as irrational, but is the sentiment behind that "therefore we should try and help them and stop them" or "therefore committing suicide is a sign of weakness and those who do so don't deserve sympathy for their irrational behavior"?
I don't understand the "anger" response. If anything, I would be empathetic. It takes a lot of pain to want to take your own life, the last thing I would think of is, "wow, what an ass, he still owed me a beer from the last time we went out and I still need a doubles partner for tennis next week. Plus he made everyone else sad."
To the OP, I hope your brother recovers, and I hope you can get him the help that he needs.
The best I can hope for right now is to get good news from the neurosurgeons. They won't know anything certain yet, or for days, but I'd like to hear that they don't see obvious brain damage. It would help her.
Yes, this whole issue makes people feel uneasy and they just don't want to put too much thought into it.Its easy to say that, but if someone is in a position where they feel like there life is irreparable and not worth living, they are hardly doing it out of spite or whatever.
That being said, some people make attempts for attention, but I don't think that is the case hear.
Im back in the hospital. It's not been a good two weeks. My sister woke me up at 5am. Apparently he and his girlfriend had a fight, she left, and when she came back he was unconscious hanging from a noose. He is in a coma on a breathing machine. I don't even know what to think. I'm sad and want to see my brother, but also unsympathetic. His family loves him. We would give him any help he needs. I just don't know.
I'm not saying that which is why I disagree with the quote and I agree that it's in poor taste to discuss in insulting terms the nature of suicide. However, I think in regards to the quote, it helps us to understand that the quote does nothing to help the family going through this.There isn't a person here saying that suicide is the right thing to do in this situation.
Either way, I feel like it's in poor taste to tell the OP how he should or shouldn't feel immediately after his brother tries to off himself.
Damn, Seth. I was just thinking about you in a "old-school GAFFER" sense. I feel terrible for you man. Stuff like this is so emotionally draining due to all the implications involved. Stay strong brother.
You realize that the OP is going through this shit right now? This is not a college debate on the merits of mental health or suicide as nobody has a fucking clue if any of this applies to this situation.
This is a perfectly valid topic on it's own so why doesn't someone just create it and stop derailing this one?
Beyond that, my man. Old school Dimension-S I believe.
Oh no. No Blast City for me. Sega's official chat, then Dimension-S, DC Tech Pages, then here!LOL. Yeah, and Blast City and all that nonsense
Oh no. No Blast City for me. Sega's official chat, then Dimension-S, DC Tech Pages, then here!
Yes. I love him, but I'm angry at him. It wasn't an accident. If it were I wouldn't have these conflicted emotions. He did one of the most selfish things a person can do. My mother is a disaster. He may end up brain damaged. All because he had a fight with his girlfriend of several months? He isn't a child. He is a 30 year old man.
suicide is a dick move.
"How dare you kill yourself ! Now I'm sad ! You selfish dick !"
Hope he pulls through. That said it's his choice and his body/life. It's incredibly selfish for friends and family to expect someone to continue living if they're suffering that much, because of your own beleifs and feelings, incredibly so.
That also said, I'm betting the majority of the time a failed suicide attempt could lead to the person getting their life back on track if they get the right help, I'm sure you and your family will be as supportive as you can when he hopefully wakes up.