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Press Reset: The Story of Polygon - financed by Microsoft for $750,000

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When Halo 4 releases and gets a perfect review score I will totally believe that it wasn't affected by this.

...because it would have gotten a perfect score anyway. New or not, they are still doing games journalism.
 

Dakota47

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I'm all for bashing the Verge-dudes because of their self-fellating documentary and the fact that they are spending money on it in stead of .. well, their site. Then again they are a commercial website and can only exist on ads and other types of sponsoring. So while this documentary is a stupid and self-aggrandizing idea, in my humble opinion they're not at fault.
 

pants

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more silliness

No one is attacking RPS credibility, most of the posters in here are attacking yours. Again I said you need to extra careful, not never ever accept money from a video games publisher.

Giantbomb is owned by CBSi. Do they have a conflict of interest in their handling of the NSIC and CSI games? How does Giantbomb's apparent "conflict of interest" differ from Polygon - according to your reasoning?
Thats okay, for you see I do not respect Giantbomb as a gaming media outlet either.
 

dLMN8R

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So wait, let me get this straight. Are people just now coming to the realization that companies which create games also buy advertisements on web sites that write about games?
 
I'm all for bashing the Verge-dudes because of their self-fellating documentary and the fact that they are spending money on it in stead of .. well, their site. Then again they are a commercial website and can only exist on ads and other types of sponsoring. So while this documentary is a stupid and self-aggrandizing idea, in my humble opinion they're not at fault.

Yeah, I don't think anyone would even notice if IE9 ads were up on their site. It's still the doc which is the odd part. It raises the question of what value Microsoft sees in promoting Polygon rather than just promoting itself on their site.
 

jman2050

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When Halo 4 releases and gets a perfect review score I will totally believe that it wasn't affected by this.

...because it would have gotten a perfect score anyway. New or not, they are still doing games journalism.

The whole point of avoiding a potential conflict-of-interest is to be able to report freely while not compromising your appearance of impartiality. Games journalism right now as a whole suffers from this because they are directly sponsored by the companies they're supposed to be reporting on.
 

Shinta

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I feel conflicted about the whole thing because it seems like a very obvious conflict of interest to me. That seems completely clear. But it's also true that almost all US journalism is doing this now to some extent. Glenn Greenwald had a story about CNNi not that long ago doing basically the same thing.

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This also affects how all the major issues of our time are covered, like war. The conflict of interest is clear, and it does usually result in editorial changes, even in our top media; let alone gaming media. HOWEVER, it's true that it's basically ubiquitous now.

Is that a great defense? Not really. It just kind of shows what challenges all journalism is facing right now. Particularly in the internet age, with less people willing to pay for any news of any kind; they're going to get money wherever they can. Even the NY Times almost went under. Game Informer is entirely owned and published by Gamestop, with the hidden interest of pushing people to purchase more games; but look at the big picture. It's basically the only gaming magazine left.

So yeah, I'd take the coverage with a huge grain of salt, like you should take pretty much all coverage with a huge grain of salt. People are generally somewhat beholden to the people that write them huge checks; even our politicians (or especially them), let alone reporters. There are congressmen's votes that are purchased for far less than this; like 100k. But at the same time, how else should they raise money? All journalism is kind of busted right now, and people aren't willing to pay for any of it. Politics needs campaign finance reform, and the media needs journalism finance reform. Ignore that, and this is the inevitable result.
 

ThatObviousUser

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They are not using WordPress. They are using a custom CMS called Chorus.
That said, HOLY FUCK I had no idea MS owned WordPress now. Is that true!?

I knew it wasn't Wordpress, the trailer had some Ruby code I think (cuz what else would a hip new site be using?), I was just being obstinate. :p
 

patapuf

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Another false equivalence. The NY times covers EVERYTHING, they can afford not to be picky about what sums and who they accept money from as they will get ads as long as their readership numbers stay up. For a focussed site like yours you guys need to be extra careful accepting large sums of money from one of the major players in the niche you cater to. I commend that you are trying to find sponsors outside of this niche, but accepting this particular funding has wrecked your future credibility with the very niche you want to cater to. Not a very smart play don't you think? If no one takes you seriously you will devolve into becoming more Kotaku than RPS because it is all you will have left.

a website that caters to a specific audience will not get any meaningful advertising money outside of that niche.

Even on RPS i've never seen a non game/pc related advertisment.

The credibilty of a site is earned with content. If the articles are shit nobody will take it seriously and vise versa. Of course building that cred takes time - and a website.
 
For me, what makes this different from usual advertising is that it's paying for a vanity project. It's the same reason flying people to Rome for an event or something is so gross. Sites need ad revenue to operate, that can't really be helped. Sites don't need to accept money to produce self-congratulatory documentaries.
 

mclem

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Double Fine doc is already better at half the price (or less. can't remember the exact number).

A little more; it's budgeted at a shade under $400k.

For what it's worth, the *original* documentary budget for DFA - when $400k was their *overall* goal, before the huge success was apparent - was $100k. And I still suspect it'd be better!
 

Polk

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wondering if halo 4 gets a decent review from polygon.lol....
Of course. It will be the only good score in history of the site and the only good score in entire gaming press for this POS game. I mean all halo titles up to this point were worse than Revelations 2012 and only good reviews were from paid people.
 

Jonnyram

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At this point, I only want to see how Polygon will be different from 1UP, IGN and Kotaku.
The Verge has a nice design, but I don't particularly care about that now that I read all of my news via RSS.
 
It was a typo


Ah, was wondering if that was the case.

To answer your intended question: it's not that only now are people noticing endemic advertising, I imagine, but that Polygon comes out with this big documentary about how scary difficult their new jobs are, how special and different they're going to be with this website compared to current games journalism/enthusiast press. People see them talking this stuff up at the same time that they are reportedly flush with investor money, and that they're making-of documentary is backed with 3/4 of a million dollars from one of the biggest players in the industry they will be covering throughout.

Not only are they doing nothing that hasn't been done before, but they aren't even trying to dispel the notion that their jobs are nothing more than another arm of company PR.

Also, it does not help that some of their current staff is incredibly suspect as credible sources or voices of anything, let alone games journalism, or at least it's that way for a sizable amount of GAF.
 

OTIX

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I'm sure Microsoft can see a great deal of value in the very existance of a popular gaming site with Geis as Reviews Editor. Promoting IE9 at the same time is just a bonus.
 
I'm sure Microsoft can see a great deal of value in the very existance of a popular gaming site with Geis as Reviews Editor. Promoting IE9 at the same time is just a bonus.

You realize Arthur's reviewed a bunch of Sony-exclusive downloadables very highly this year?

Oh, shit, sorry, I forgot my tinfoil hat! I heard the tattoo Arthur was getting in the documentary was actually of Master Chief's face!
 

Aaron

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Eh, when they finally have the site up and running all this will be forgotten. Unless it only works in IE9 or something stupid.
 

Polk

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I'm sure Microsoft can see a great deal of value in the very existance of a popular gaming site with Geis as Reviews Editor. Promoting IE9 at the same time is just a bonus.
I wonder if you'd say same thing if it was deal with Sony Pictures Vaio/Bravia/Xperia divisons
 

Echoes

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The Verge has a nice design, but I don't particularly care about that now that I read all of my news via RSS.

Same here. I certainly enjoy the design for when I get to read it from the site, though; I appreciate the effort content-creators put into improving readability.

I personally wouldn't want to comment on this whole thing. I see where people are coming from, but personally, if something irked me off too much I'd just unsubscribe. I usually look for editorials (not reviews nor news) and if, in the long run, they nail this down, then I'm pleased. I've been enjoying Medium Difficulty and Kill Screen's articles/essays, to name but a few, and would love to see this kind of reporting expanded.

Good luck to the people of Polygon.
 

Jb

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It's not even like this was an up and coming site that struggled to find financing and had to court companies like MS for sponshorship, this is a fucking monster of a project backed by a pretty big entity that somehow managed to pay writers from GI and Kotaku to leave their comfortable position and take up the offer.

And the worst thing about it?
They're not even good writers
 

sTeLioSco

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Of course. It will be the only good score in history of the site and the only good score in entire gaming press for this POS game. I mean all halo titles up to this point were worse than Revelations 2012 and only good reviews were from paid people.

latest fable had good reviews...

ms takes care of "stuff"
 

Sojgat

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Since so many people here seem to be making a big deal out of Polygon and this documentary, I finally decided to sit down and watch the available episodes. Truly the funniest shit I have seen all day. The whole thing seems like such an ill-conceived idea, it reminds of GiantBomb's "How To Build A Bomb" features, except really overproduced and boring, starring unlikable people. I almost felt embarrassed for some of them while watching it. I notice each ep only has around 3,000 views on Youtube, are these all from GAF just watching to ridicule it?
 

mujun

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Doesn't every major game site take ad revenue from publishers? Not that I condone it. I'm sure I've seen giant ads for games on Gamespot, IGN, etc.
 

CheapyD

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As a wise Wombat reminded me, the IE & Microsoft Games divisions might as well be different companies. Different budgets, different ad agencies, etc.

Hell, they can't even get their act together to get IE on Xbox!
 

Polk

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As a wise Wombat reminded me, the IE & Microsoft Games divisions might as well be different companies. Different budgets, different ad agencies, etc.

Hell, they can't even get their act together to get IE on Xbox!
They are different divisions. Online services vs Entertainment and Devices
 

MarkMacD

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As a wise Wombat reminded me, the IE & Microsoft Games divisions might as well be different companies. Different budgets, different ad agencies, etc.

This. Let's all put away "teh bias" tin foil hats and just relax and think for a minute here.

Big ad buys happen all the time at sites and mags and newspapers and radio stations and most all media you know and love and trust -- usually you just don't hear about them. They mean nothing to editorial at any co worth a crap (usually the editors wouldn't even know about them).

That said, yes, $750,000 is a SHIIIIIIITTON of money for just the one thing we know about (at least from my frame of reference on gaming media views/dollars, which, granted, is from like 2008...), but maybe the deal was for more than just the tag on the end of this one series on the one site? Or maybe the IE team just paid a LOT here? Or etc. etc.

(Of course, maybe I'm just saying all this because we set up the guy who does their Famitsu news?! How deep does the rabbit hole go?!? MUEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!)

BTW, does anyone have a link to the source article this info and figure came from?
 
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