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The War Z AKA "28 Scandals Later" AKA "bury the ones we love and plagiarize the rest"
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I'm amazed that people still think this is a cash in on Day Z. Obviously there was a rush to get it finished due to the popularity of the MOD, but it's been in development for quite some time. Day Z the MOD was only released jnthe Spring.. No studio is starting a full game from scratch and releasing it a few months later.
But people want to nitpick for the sake of nitpicking. Don't like it? Don't play it.
But people want to nitpick for the sake of nitpicking. Don't like it? Don't play it.
The War Z is basically just a mod for their game War Inc. So, yeah, this game wasn't built from the ground up in a few months. I don't know why people have to deny the obvious, this game exists because of Day Z.
My main concern is that you won't be able to survive if someone gets the jump on you, the gun-play looks a bit too easy.
Same here. Looks like a game I'll really enjoy. Hopefully an OT shows up on here.
From what I understand they started development a long time ago but only until DayZ got popular did they switch to it actually being a zombie survival game. That's why peeple are "nitpicking".
Woo-Fu
Banned
Yeah, if you call somebody on bald-faced lies it is just nitpicking, I get it.
Alpha. The beta test starts later in the year leading up to actual final release. They're essentially doing a notch style incentive to purchase early.
From what I gather, this game was originally made from WarInc.(the companies other online game) After WarInc they started work on a huge open world player vs player fps. When it was finally officially announced it suddenly was filled with zombies and called WarZ......ie: This game was obviously not built from scratch. It's not scandulous and it's common so I don't see why pointing out where this game came from is such a bad thing...........
If it's good I will get it, if it's bad I will skip it. Currently it looks terrible to me.
If it's good I will get it, if it's bad I will skip it. Currently it looks terrible to me.
legacyzero
Banned
Looks like a rush job.
With some proper TLC, I can see it turning into something, but until then, i dunno. I might buy in at the basic or middle level.
I wanna see A LOT more footage though.
Yeah I'm totally a paid shill man. Totally! I'm just rolling in dough for getting hyped about a game I'm interested in. Really, you should see my bank account and all the deposits from Hammerpoint.
Idiot.
...and what lie would that be?
The lie about this title being developed as a zombie game in advance of Day Z.
Repurposing a game that's already in development and pivoting to capitalize on the new hotness isn't necessarily a bad thing.
What's shady is acting like you were doing it along. Ye Olde Internet will dig up the truth whether you like it or not.
The rest of the gallery can be found here.
Honestly? I don't care. Those sceenshots say nothing to me about whether or not the game was originally intended to revolve around zombies. And really, know one knows that but the devs. Obviously they're not trying to hide the connection since both games follow the same naming convention (ie: WarInc, WarZ).
To me, that's like ripping on Yakuza Dead Souls for repurposing assets from the previous Yakuza games. If they can repurpose, then why not? Especially if it makes a better gaming experience.
I dobt mean to aound defensive, but I'm just a little sick and tired of people shitting on this game and who try to make those of us who are legit hyped about it out to be idiots. It's a video game for christ sake.
To me, that's like ripping on Yakuza Dead Souls for repurposing assets from the previous Yakuza games. If they can repurpose, then why not? Especially if it makes a better gaming experience.
I dobt mean to aound defensive, but I'm just a little sick and tired of people shitting on this game and who try to make those of us who are legit hyped about it out to be idiots. It's a video game for christ sake.
To be honest, I feel that people are a bit hostile to WarZ because it feels like a quick cash-in on the DayZ phenomenon. I just cannot be hyped for a product that exists mostly on paper and from a company that has no history beyond a pretty bad third person shooter. It doesn't help that they are heavily reusing assets and animations from WarInc.
I'll wait for a beta or some actual user feedback instead of promises and grand tales from the developer.
mr stroke
Member
The lie about this title being developed as a zombie game in advance of Day Z.
Repurposing a game that's already in development and pivoting to capitalize on the new hotness isn't necessarily a bad thing.
What's shady is acting like you were doing it along. Ye Olde Internet will dig up the truth whether you like it or not.
The rest of the gallery can be found here.
WOW never knew it was a previous game before. Those shots
If they can do it better than Day Z then more power to them, and I am more than happy to give it a chance. I like/d Day Z but in all honesty it was a buggy and clunky mess.
Absolutely, but it doesn't mean that some of us can't have concerns about the product. Granted, the game isn't out yet and there is very little footage beyond what the studio has shown, but it's normal for people to doubt the project. This isn't a case where people are bashing the game just because it's hoping on the "open-world/player driven/zombie game" train. There are concerns about the studio ability and expertise to actually deliver on that.
But I guess we'll see in a couple of weeks.
You missed the part where I stated: "Repurposing a game that's already in development and pivoting to capitalize on the new hotness isn't necessarily a bad thing."?
I don't recall calling anyone an idiot either. Perhaps you would be so kind as to find that quote and link it for me.
Your Yakuza analogy doesn't apply, since it wasn't created in reaction to DayZ, which is the point being made here. A zombie version of Yakuza being created to capitalize on the hype of all hints zombie related? Yep, but that's not the same thing.
Here we have a non-zombie title - and if you look at the entire gallery, there's not a zombie to be found in the WarInc shots,period - recycling it's assets and aping the look of the DayZ mod.
That's fine. Competition makes for better games for consumers.
What isn't fine is misrepresenting the title as being in development beforehand when it's obvious that it isn't the case at all. You want to beat Bohemia to market with a game similar to theirs? Fine! More power to you! Own that shit.
But don't pretend that it's anything more than opportunism.
Ether_Snake
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It's not opportunism when the premise might be better and meet the market's demand more than the previous title which was made to equally meet the market's demand.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
It's a cash grab, but it's understandable that they will re-use assets. They wanted to do a zombie game to get a piece of that pie, and this was obviously the most efficient way to do it. It's not dissimilar from DayZ re-using ARMA2 assets actually.
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
The point is, they're trying to act like they didn't change direction on a game already in development.
What the...?
I wrote some sloppy stuff but I don't think it's worth it so I'm just going to say:
To me, this game has a Transmorphers vibe(trying to badly cash in on people wanting to rent transformers).
EDIT: Ok you know what, whatever, here's what I wrote:
I wrote some sloppy stuff but I don't think it's worth it so I'm just going to say:
To me, this game has a Transmorphers vibe(trying to badly cash in on people wanting to rent transformers).
EDIT: Ok you know what, whatever, here's what I wrote:
Green Card
Member
What have you read/seen that you don't like about The War Z? I haven't played DayZ ( don't have ARMA2 so I'm waiting for standalone) but this looks decent to me. I'm most likely going to try out both but this game seems to be getting some flak for the asset reusing (I don't mind this) and the fact that they switched the game to match DayZ earlier this year (which could be problematic). What I want is an unforgiving zombie survival game. I want anything good to be rare and I want it to be difficult. That is why I liked Dark Souls and I'm interested in DayZ.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
It gets tiring reading that "DayZ is a buggy mess!". It's an alpha. Again, it's an alpha.
legacyzero
Banned
lol
The point has been made and there is no sense in arguing with it. Cashing in on DayZ success is not the problem. Stating that it was their intention all along is a full on, out in out LIE.
They had the assets for it, DayZ hit it big, the course was changed. Simple as that. Even the name "WarZ" rubs me the COMPLETELY wrong way.
Yep. And it's getting a lot of support, for better or worse.
littleworm
Member
Was WarZ likely a cash grab after DayZ? Probably. Still I think there is plenty of market for both of them to exist. Both games also look to have a different feel to it, with DayZ keeping it's "Sim" feel to combat and such, where WarZ has a less of a sim approach to it. Though if I had to pick one game it would be DayZ, mostly for the fact that I prefer the minecraft model approach they say they will be following as opposed to WarZ's f2p model.
Anyway I'll follow this game with interest and maybe jump in on the beta if it gets good impressions.
Anyway I'll follow this game with interest and maybe jump in on the beta if it gets good impressions.
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littleworm
Member
Oops, my mistake, I could of sworn it was.
Wrong
It is
http://www.thewarz.com/faq.html
Is the game free to play or is there a subscription model?
Neither. The game will be available at launch as a single-purchase download with no payments required to play after that. No subscriptions or hidden fees. You'll be able to spend money in the game for items of convenience or to rent game servers.
And it wasn't even pvp, it was "You can be as big a dick in War Z as you were in Day Z!"
But yeah, if it hadn't been staged, those other people wouldn't have gotten caught out like that.
Green Card
Member
He says it isn't free to play right in your quote.
I think part of the problem is right there: you haven't played DayZ. You don't know what they are ripping off and how, since you want the things DayZ delivered. I also see that maybe my transmorphers/transformers analogy went right through your head. Let's try again. Please take a look at this:
Which one is conveniently released very close to the other's release date? Which one is conveniently trying to mimic the other's advertising, even with a similar name? Which one is a ripoff?
Indeed. See the picture above.
Yeah, it's not like they're trying to differentiate themselves from DayZ, but the opposite. In an akward, forced way I must say. Also, is that(the bolded part) a selling point?
What's funny is that if Dayz is in alpha stage(but very playable) then it's a "buggy and clunky mess" but if WarZ is in alpha stage and their own promotional vids show weird bugs, then it should get a pass(and let's make fun of "nitpicking" people while we're here!).
I thought f2p meant FREE TO PLAY, like "you don't have to pay a thing to be able to play it" free, not like "you have to pay full price once so you can download it" free.
Green Card
Member
I wasn't asking for clarification on your analogy I was asking what have you read/seen that you don't like about The War Z.
Oh well, sorry about that, I got carried away. Well, in short, I don't like the fact that they lied about it being an original idea before Dayz, I don't like that in every pic/video I've seen they're trying too hard to look like Dayz and copy/stage Dayz-like events or the unique experience Dayz brought, I don't like the choices they're taking trying to make it newbie-friendly(which takes away the Dayz vibe) or WoW like(like safe zones) while still trying to "add" to the dayz experience(with some "hardcore" options), I don't like the microtransactions to cheat death(or to buy zombie scent to go among zombies undetected), I don't like that it looks more like a resident evil 5 plus clunky pvp with no tension at all(or zombies), I don't like that everything adds up to a package that screams to me "ripoff".
The sad part is, I would love to tell you "go play DayZ and see what I mean" but I can't because hackers are ruining the game right now(and they have been ruining it for a while now). Loved the new maps tho, and they were hacker free for a while!
Correct f2p is completely f2p(with a shop most of the time), but its important for people to know there is no monthly fee with the game or no other associated hide fees.
ChosenPredator
Banned
I just think of it as a MOD of War Inc just like dayZ was a mod of Arma - all the same things are in previous games but I am not going to jump in blind I'll wait to see what a well balanced person says about it someone who isn't completely biased.
tamaster92
Member
Just bought the cheapest preorder option after watching and reading a lot. It looks good to me and for £12 if it runs well until the DayZ standalone is released it's worth the money.
I'm a bit baffled by people actually taking this game 'seriously', for lack of a better word. I'm getting the feeling that if you chuck zombies at anything nowadays or make a game that plays similar to DayZ, then people will buy it. It looks like a giant piece of poop and having played War INC for about 30 minutes I can promise you it will be. One of the most appealing aspects of DayZ for me is the gunplay, and War INC(Z) just doesn't have that appeal, it's just downright awful in that respect. DayZ is full of issues, but this is no excuse to blow this game out of proportion. I do look forward to after people actually play it though, "This game is a complete pile of -" or the whole buyer's remorse thing. Of course there could be people who do play War INC and have fair expectations and want to play this game, that's absolutely fine. The issue for me is that there are just an alarming number of people who clearly don't, and that bothers me.
spindoctor
Member
Are there still people out there who believe that WarZ (in it's current iteration) was in development before DayZ hit it big?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Let them believe that. It's okay for their own good. No one needs to know that they are essentially paying for alpha that is called alpha so they can get away with the porting of WarInc.
Yeah, I just pre-ordered it tonight. I think this will be the game to play on Halloween this year- it has so much promise! It'll be neat trying to survive with both zombies and other players as bandits. I hope it turns out stellar!
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