Those were the sizes for even the PS3 and 360 versions
It's uncompressed textures and video and audio
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Wii U: a 2 TB HDD is a waste.
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Those were the sizes for even the PS3 and 360 versions
It's uncompressed textures and video and audio
Cheesemeister
Member
USB 2.0 has effective throughput up to 35 MB/s. Compare against up to 22.5 MB/s for Wii U discs. Any bottleneck would be in the hard drive read speed.
Where did you get the figure of 22.5MB/s for Wii-U discs?
Iwata said it during Nintendo Direct I think.
How many people have filled up 500GB PS3s?
I imagine in the future Wii U games will get larger. There will probably be 50GB Wii U discs, and games will probably begin to commonly exceed 15 or 20GB.
Also, just for the hell of it, I imagine it's possible for the Wii U to playback videos and things off of the HDD with some kind of native video player. It'll at least have a photo viewer I'm sure. I have no idea why no console manufacturer has advertised the fact that you can use it to view all those high res digital photos on your TV screen.
I imagine in the future Wii U games will get larger. There will probably be 50GB Wii U discs, and games will probably begin to commonly exceed 15 or 20GB.
Also, just for the hell of it, I imagine it's possible for the Wii U to playback videos and things off of the HDD with some kind of native video player. It'll at least have a photo viewer I'm sure. I have no idea why no console manufacturer has advertised the fact that you can use it to view all those high res digital photos on your TV screen.
I'll be getting at least an 1TB drive for the WiiU. Ive got a 250 gb drive in my ps3 and it is full and I don't even have all my games on it.
500 might be just enough but I'm not taking any risks. But before I'll buy a drive I have to contemplate if I really want to download games from Nintendo. I'm not a huge fan of DD and I can already see that some game won't be available anymore that I still want to play. Still the Nintendo premium might push me over the edge.
500 might be just enough but I'm not taking any risks. But before I'll buy a drive I have to contemplate if I really want to download games from Nintendo. I'm not a huge fan of DD and I can already see that some game won't be available anymore that I still want to play. Still the Nintendo premium might push me over the edge.
BlackGhost
Banned
People are saying no media playback but shouldnt you be able to purchase and download movies/tv via Amazon Prime or other services Nintendo releases on Tvii to the harddrive ? Correct me if I'm wrong, not really familar with prime
Theonik
Member
To people saying, "I will never need another drive" consider this, storage prices are going down over time, by the time you need more space getting that extra space might be cheaper. So by buying space you won't use until the end of next gen is short sighted. Not to mention HDDs can become unreliable over time.
Sadly, Waiting for one to upgrade from my 4GB.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's too bad there isn't room to fit a 2.5" drive in the system (or even an SSD). Having to keep a drive around in an enclosure seems like a pain.
You're also assuming it'll be easy to transfer files from one hard drive to another though. That said, it can't be any worse than the process in the current systems... right?
A bit, though less of a pain than having to drag around discs.
I'm not convinced.
What if Wii U gets Train Simulator 2013? Where will train enthusiasts download all that DLC to? They need the space, and it's not like they mind spending the money.
Duct tape together.
What if Wii U gets Train Simulator 2013? Where will train enthusiasts download all that DLC to? They need the space, and it's not like they mind spending the money.
Duct tape together.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hrm. That's true. Depends on how many games you plan on buying too I suppose.
Theonik
Member
Possibly, but even by Nintendo's standards that should be a given. (if anything content will probably be locked on a per console basis not per storage)
Edit: There you go.
Huh, guess I was misled about that. USB 3.0 would still be useful though, though I guess this does make installs a more legitimate option.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
"Future update"! We'll see... lol
Theonik
Member
You'd probably be able to back-up saves on SD cards and re-download games on a new HDD at launch though. I'd be surprised if you couldn't.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
So just to make sure:
We know the Wii U browser Cant download items
Have we heard ANYTHING about the Wii U's media playback? And what formats itll support?
And how will we get those files to the Wii U formatted hard drive?
We know the Wii U browser Cant download items
Have we heard ANYTHING about the Wii U's media playback? And what formats itll support?
And how will we get those files to the Wii U formatted hard drive?
We don't quite want PS3 level of update frequency but definetly way way more than Wii had
You have to get used to the idea, this system is mainly a video game system with streaming video
To our knowledge, there are no play back media abilities, at least in specific apps
You have to get used to the idea, this system is mainly a video game system with streaming video
To our knowledge, there are no play back media abilities, at least in specific apps
Well to use PS3 as a comparison, most full games are somewhere in the 6-12GB range with a small few that approach or surpass 20GB like Uncharted 1 (20GB) and 2 (21GB), Super Street Fighter IV: AE (18GB) and the Sly Collection (21GB). The Metal Gear Solid Collection is the biggest game I've seen on PSN which is 21.4GB.
Throughput isn't the main problem, it's random access that is extremely slow with optical media - something that is very noticeable in many games (texture and geometry pop-in, loading times, ...). Installing games on Xbox often shows very obvious advantages.
The Wii U probably has some cache space set aside for games to use (something Xbox games can't rely on), but having an install option would still net some benefits, as it does on 360's with hard drives.
Cheesemeister
Member
Right.
Not a single word. If it were a feature, it'd be advertised.
Theonik
Member
We know it won't play MP3s. And that it won't play CDs and DVDs.
I would say it's unlikely to have a video player and probably only has a music player for MP4(AAC) files.
Almost, right here. A heavy game rotation means periodically I've got to go in and get rid of install data from games I don't play anymore.
That said, I'll probably stick with a 1T drive.
Meatvillain
Banned
I would probably wind up buying a 1TB HDD, though, I don't want to have to even think about managing storage.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
So for a console where we would only be able to use for downloaded games and apps, we'd literally need about 40 blu-ray discs filled to capacity (25GB) to fill up a TB. So far the largest game is 18GB and the next largest is about 7 or 8GB.
And you can't even stream over network.
Hilarious.
And you can't even stream over network.
Hilarious.
Dreamwriter
Member
Amazon Prime is streaming-only - think of it as a form of Netflix, except you can purchase the non-free movies to stream whenever you want. All the video services Nintendo announced are streaming, Nintendo hasn't announced any video services run by themselves (both Sony and Microsoft have their own video stores), and they said that TVii's DVR support is only to support other DVR's, that it itself won't work as one. So right now there is no known media support for the device that would make use of storage.
Nintendo is walking a fine line - they want the device to be a single controller of video entertainment, but they don't want to be a source of video entertainment (which would require constant work on their part), and they don't want to have to support people trying to stream weird video formats from their computers. They basically want to say "Here's what we made, have fun! We'll be over here making games..."
For a price reference, I did a quick search on Amazon.com for external hard drives and Newegg's category. It's crazy how there doesn't really SEEM to be a point of diminishing returns for these, the fact you can't share the 2 TB drive with a PC seems more damning than the price honestly.
Inferno313
Banned
I've read this post 3 times and I still don't understand it.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Then go to bed.
Couldn't see this mentioned in the thread, but bear Kryder's Law in mind. Disk space increases as years go by, while price stays the same.
Think about how many games you're going to buy in year 1. It may be more cost effective to buy a small drive (say, 40 - 80GB) and then re-buy when you're low on space, especially with the rapidly falling prices of SSDs.
Think about how many games you're going to buy in year 1. It may be more cost effective to buy a small drive (say, 40 - 80GB) and then re-buy when you're low on space, especially with the rapidly falling prices of SSDs.
Ashler
Member
I don't think people will buy a 2Tb HDD because they think its absolutely necessary, but rather feel that the price diference from a lower capacity HDD is confortable enough (price wise) for them while they are still unsure how much they will need this 'generation'. At least that is what I feel.
Saying that there is no reason to buy a 2 Tb HDD is like saying people should not buy a 32Gb premium system and instead just opt for the 8Gb and get a mich higher capacity Disk with the diference in price. Its a sound reasoning, but people want 'the best' they can have.
Saying that there is no reason to buy a 2 Tb HDD is like saying people should not buy a 32Gb premium system and instead just opt for the 8Gb and get a mich higher capacity Disk with the diference in price. Its a sound reasoning, but people want 'the best' they can have.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
People were going to get 2TB? lol goddamn. Beyond overkill.
BlackGhost
Banned
Hmm, ok thanks for the corrections.
Dreamwriter
Member
jediyoshi
Member
I'm not seeing the contradiction here.
To be fair here - USB2.0 sustaining above 20MB/s isn't very common, but then again Optical discs never get anywhere close to max throughput either, even before you factor in 2 order-of-magnitude slower seek times.Cheesemeister said:
But I also doubt you can find a HDD slower than 20MB/s (read or write) anywhere, even on fragmented drive - unless it's one of those China knockoffs that have a SD card inside and lie about their size...
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Cheesemeister
Member
When you plug in an external USB drive, the Wii U will format it before using it.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You could have two partitions on the same drive so that you can use some for the WiiU and some for a PC. Well, you can't because the Wii U uses the whole drive, but that was probably a thought some people had.
Nintendo originally said the system would support up to 3TB
That was Reggie, and he didn't know what he was talking about
3TB drive would not work unless you use the newer, less universally shared formats like NTFS
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Maybe the Wii U system utility formats the drive in a way that destroys any partition information (probably for security, to be honest).
I really don't see why anyone but a very small minority would want to do that, seems completely impractical. Hard drives are very cheap these days, getting two is a much better solution. If Nintendo doesn't support this mode of operation (although they probably will, as partition support is nothing too advanced) it's because this is an absolute edge case.
Fast random access speed as well as no fragmentation. But using an SSD over USB 2 is overkill, not only due to the low transfer speeds but also due to the fact that only sequential access will be possible - which partially negates one major advantage SSDs have.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
It's just one more thing in an endless procession of "oh god, why did Nintendo do it this way instead of the proper way?"
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, in terms of price per gigabyte or whatever, 2tb is the "sweet spot" for 3.5" drives. I can see why someone would want to get one of those and have it serve two purposes. It's cheaper than getting two 1tb drives anyway.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
There will be some nice prices on external HDDs this coming Black Friday. I'll get a 500GB and 1TB for my Wii U.