RurouniZel
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Lazy ports so far say otherwise.
Fixed. ;P
I will grant you the OS is slow.
Lazy ports so far say otherwise.
Of course gameplay is most important, but while sales don't affect it in any way, technical performance can do so. Not necessarily, but it's possible.
Pulling the typical "gameplay > graphics, specs don't matter" card? When the Wii U doesn't get 720/PS4 multiplats I'd like to see where the quality third-party games come from.
So:
360 Half a strike?
PS3 Quarter strike?
PSP No strikes?
I need hard numbers here!
Yeah, I was mostly talking about the western situation, the Wii U will no doubt dominate in Japan. As seen with the 3DS though, with it being region locked we might not see most of the games coming from there over here.The latter points depend pretty heavily on the 720/PS4 doing well in Japan.
I agree with you though, but it's a delicate balancing act between price and power, and $300 for a base model is pushing it.
Of course the OS won't take 1GB, the 1GB will be reserved to ensure that Nintendo can add to the OS and add other apps if needed without effecting games. Once they've nailed everything down they could then look at freeing up some of the RAM they don't end up using. Nintendo are very conservative so I wouldn't be surprised if 1GB is far more than they're actually using for the OS (including apps) currently.
Think you might be Meltdown #2. Heres hard numbers: 3DS and Wii U are 100% region locked. None of the other consoles or handhelds are. Except the Wii I guess? Three strikes! Blammo. But RAM! Hard numbers on RAM! Which are also bad. Hrrrm.
How do we calculate strikes?
Wait, it doesn't???Maybe he thinks the Wii U plays 3DS games?
Nintendo is losing money on it!Always said WiiU should have cost $150. System is a total ripoff at its current price.
Nintendo is losing money on it!
Why would it cost less than the 3DS?Always said WiiU should have cost $150. System is a total ripoff at its current price.
The PS3 has a grand total of one (1) region-locked games, and it took 5½ years to reach this count (from formerly zero).So now a system has 3 strikes if other systems are region locked? Lol.
In that case PS3 has those same 3 strikes.
Oh brother.Margalis said:Owned by logic.
Brother.Margalis said:Before you post again think for at least 1 second. You don't seem to have any idea what you are even arguing.
I'm pretty sure it's not if it was said at an investor's meeting. Even if the meat of the hardware isn't expensive, the R&D into the Gamepad certainly had to be. It's a very impressive piece of technology.Don't be so naive. That´s just marketing.
Owned by logic.
Always said WiiU should have cost $150. System is a total ripoff at its current price.
Not true, it can play SMB2, DoReMi Fantasy, Puyo Puyo Tsuu and other VC imports. :3A US Wii U can play zero Japanese games.
Don't be so naive. That´s just marketing.
That's beyond fucking stupid. You want it to be cheaper than the 360 and PS3 considering it offers more than them?
Many of us here have no clue what all this means, can someone please explain in english?
Oh brother.
What is "more" for you ?
Feel free to explain how the 3DS being region locked is a strike against the Wii U.
Bold prediction by me: you won't be able to do that.
Not sure if serious. GTA4 is CPU hog not GPU. When this generation started consoles CPUs were leaps and beyond above what was avabile for consumer PC market. Cell alone was faster than anything in 2008 and 2009. Xbox 3 core PPU wasn't to slow either.
It was bad optimalization because they didn't use GPU as much as CPU because of different architecture of PC (weak CPU)
As i said CPU power doesn't have anything with texture size or ram pool and i don't see it being any constructive comment in ram talk.
And people say that by looking at the RAM? Won't the next PS/Xbox use the same off the shelf RAM? Will Sony use the expensive Rambus again? I haven't been following about that too much. Only that Sony is going with AMD and MS with Intel/Nvidia.
They will not have RAM that is slower than the consoles they replace.
What is "more" for you ?
Just going by the evidence available to us, i would say about the same or slightly weaker. Just going by the games and the specs revealed so far. Quite a feat by Nintendo if you ask me :/
NO!
Console CPUs are far behind PC CPUs.
The 360 CPU is slow as hell, it is only around the speed of 1 and a half P4s!
He was talking back then, but even so he would be astonishingly wrong because by the time GTA4 came out on PC, you had access to CPUs like Q9XXX series and Core i7, which ran circles and then some around the 360 CPU, which btw is more or less comparable to a Pentium 4 Extreme edition according to Capcom. First Gen Core 2 Duos from 2006 were already significantly faster than P4E. Their architecture was just that much more efficient.
Yet even with a Core i7 920, I had problems having performances that matched the 360 version. If this isn't bad porting then I don't know what it is, because it certainly wasn't my Core i7's fault.
Man people are so eager to whip out that strawman buzzword these days, mostly inappropriately. As evidenced here.If you could stop melting down for a second, at no point did I say that the 3DS being locked was a strike against the Wii U, just highlighting to you the difference between the current gen systems and which ones are 100%, and the Wii comment as the "third strike" was thrown in as a joke. Despite all your "lol"s, I imagine you were too outraged to pick up on that and so threw yourself headlong into irrational strawman attack mode and fanboy accusations. Its okay, you're like the best entertainment part of console launches! Dinner AND a show. Pick yourself up, consider perhaps not wearing that red badge there quite so prominently, and lets have a gay ol' teardown time!
He was talking back then, but even so he would be astonishingly wrong because by the time GTA4 came out on PC, you had access to CPUs like Q9XXX series and Core i7, which ran circles and then some around the 360 CPU, which btw is more or less comparable to a Pentium 4 Extreme edition according to Capcom. First Gen Core 2 Duos from 2006 were already significantly faster than P4E. Their architecture was just that much more efficient.
Yet even with a Core i7 920, I had problems having performances that matched the 360 version. If this isn't bad porting then I don't know what it is, because it certainly wasn't my Core i7's fault.
He was talking back then, but even so he would be astonishingly wrong because by the time GTA4 came out on PC, you had access to CPUs like Q9XXX series and Core i7, which ran circles and then some around the 360 CPU, which btw is more or less comparable to a Pentium 4 Extreme edition according to Capcom. First Gen Core 2 Duos from 2006 were already significantly faster than P4E. Their architecture was just that much more efficient.
Yet even with a Core i7 920, I had problems having performances that matched the 360 version. If this isn't bad porting then I don't know what it is, because it certainly wasn't my Core i7's fault.
If you could stop melting down for a second, at no point did I say that the 3DS being locked was a strike against the Wii U, just highlighting to you the difference between the current gen systems and which ones are 100%, and the Wii comment as the "third strike" was thrown in as a joke.
I imagine you were too outraged to pick up on that and so threw yourself headlong into irrational strawman attack mode and fanboy accusations.
Yeah, trying to equate the situations just because of a single region locked game (what's that, less than 0.2%?) is stupid.The PS3 has a grand total of one (1) region-locked games, and it took 5½ years to reach this count (from formerly zero).
If that's a "strike", or fuck this, if this even counts as region locking, then I'm the lizardman pope.
Oh brother.
Brother.
Yes, it was a crap arse port, but they did seem to fix it (at least that is what I gather from seeing low end C2Ds playing it fine now).
GTAIV was actually a very shit port.
Did you play with settings that matched the 360's? The PC version allowed for much higher viewing ranges/less pop-in iirc.
What am I reading?So now a system has 3 strikes if other systems are region locked? Lol.
In that case PS3 has those same 3 strikes.
Owned by logic.
Before you post again think for at least 1 second. You don't seem to have any idea what you are even arguing.
Edit: It kind of looks like you are melting down right now, posting complete nonsense.
Yeah, trying to equate the situations just because of a single region locked game (what's that, less than 0.2%?) is stupid.
What I read is you claiming that "basically every console and handheld is region locked" (that's a direct quote), and other people pointing out that this is not the case. It doesn't seem like such a complex issue, which part did I miss?You clearly didn't read or understand the post he was responding to.
2GB DDR3 800MHz datarate, I believe with a 64-bit wide interface
What am I reading?
It could be using the lower speed:
https://twitter.com/anandshimpi/status/270289178242195456
Would this mean something like 13GB/s?
What I read is you claiming that "basically every console and handheld is region locked" (that's a direct quote), and other people pointing out that this is not the case. It doesn't seem like such a complex issue, which part did I miss?
???Think you might be Meltdown #2. Heres hard numbers: 3DS and Wii U are 100% region locked. None of the other consoles or handhelds are. Except the Wii I guess? Three strikes! Blammo. But RAM! Hard numbers on RAM! Which are also bad. Hrrrm.
It could be using the lower speed:
https://twitter.com/anandshimpi/status/270289178242195456
Would this mean something like 13GB/s?
What I read is you claiming that "basically every console and handheld is region locked" (that's a direct quote), and other people pointing out that this is not the case. It doesn't seem like such a complex issue, which part did I miss?
So now a system has 3 strikes if other systems are region locked?
Are you really equating the region-locking of 1 game on PS3 to a whole system being locked? Dude, you really need to chill.So now a system has 3 strikes if other systems are region locked? Lol.
In that case PS3 has those same 3 strikes.
Owned by logic.
Before you post again think for at least 1 second. You don't seem to have any idea what you are even arguing.
Edit: It kind of looks like you are melting down right now, posting complete nonsense.
Are you really equating the region-locking of 1 game on PS3 to a whole system being locked? Dude, you really need to chill.
Are you really equating the region-locking of 1 game on PS3 to a whole system being locked? Dude, you really need to chill.
So now a system has 3 strikes if other systems are region locked? Lol.