Wii U being the lead platform? Am I really seeing someone try to make that case?
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Wii U being the lead platform? Am I really seeing someone try to make that case?
We aren't near to the point where the hardware can do anything you think up. Physics and AI has a ways to go. Parallel Computing is making a return. Nintendo messed up. They would have been better off building a system that rides the current wave of change instead of going with old tech and a tablet controller.Graphics don't push the console industry anymore, I dont know how to break it to you folks.
We have essentially reached a point where any idea a developer has for his game can be realized in HD on all 3 platforms. Sure one system may have a few more shadows here or there, but its been proven over and over that immersive gameplay trumps graphics.
This is why WiiU is ahead of the curve. They are thinking outside the box for ways the make the experience of playing games more immersive, not by upping the polygon count. I consider myself a non-biased gamer, who owns a 360, a PS3 and a gaming PC with a GTX 570. I had more fun playing ZombiU the other night than I can remember. Having radio messages coming in over the gamepad, sorting my inventory, scanning areas for loot, solving puzzles was very satisfying. The game looks great, and not once did I stop to think, "This sure could use some soft shadows and anti-aliasing...nyahhhh".
If the Kinect, Move, Wiimotes have proved anything, its that console manufacturers are looking for new immersive ways to present gameplay ideas. Its no longer a table flop contest to see who has the largest videocard under the hood.
why the fuck do people defend nintendo? they barely invest in making good hardware, with the NSMB series they barely invest in making decent games with one of their most beloved if not their MOST beloved character. Why do you people continue to defend and invest in a company that doesnt care about you anymore? we're no longer their target demographic. i say screw em.
Nintendo doesnt control the gaming industry. If Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony had stopped making games, there would be a lot of other companies that would still make games.Because Nintendo is a games company, that makes games. No music, no movie, no format war bullshit etc. Games.
And, without Nintendo game industry would crash and burn.
I can't see it being pricier than GDDR though. I just bought 32GB of full size DDR3 for like $100.Nintendo chose low power DDR components which are actually more expensive than faster, fullsize full voltage DDR chips.
op is too technical for me
how many gamecubes taped together is that
I can't see it being pricier than GDDR though. I just bought 32GB of full size DDR3 for like $100.
op is too technical for me
how many gamecubes taped together is that
Nintendo chose low power DDR components which are actually more expensive than faster, fullsize full voltage DDR chips.
And, without Nintendo game industry would crash and burn.
I wonder if people realize that if the 720 and PS4 get the 4-8GB of RAM that have been touted, they're going to have just as slow speeds as the Wii U... You can't get that much RAM for a decent price point without sacrificing something.
Guh? I thought the whole point of going with tis tech in the first place was cause it would be cheaper?
Nintendo chose low power DDR components which are actually more expensive than faster, fullsize full voltage DDR chips.
they're smaller low-power, low heat, 'fast' chips. Not exactly the DDR3 that appears in your desktop.
No they didn't. I've seen no indication they're using LPDDR3. We know exactly what RAM they are using, and it's as basic, commodity RAM as you can buy. It is lower power than specialized, faster GDDR3/5, but that doesn't mean it is "low power".
So you think the next-generation systems will have trouble running games like Epic Mickey 2 as well?
You mean a game that runs great on the Wii?
We're in a pretty confused situation when you got people wondering if the WiiU can be on par with 360, and other people are guessing that it will be the lead platform next gen..
Anyway, if this situation occurs, right now, it's cause, if indeed, the WiiU has a way to push something more modern than a 360, like we've heard here since forever, well there isn't ANY proof of it after it's already launched.
At last E3 i was saying that Nintendo missed his last opportunity to impress gamers while they still hadn't a concrete idea of next gen graphics. And by that i mean the mainstream gamer, not the one that goes on gaf.
This missed E3 and the period after, then the launch line up now, have deeply printed the idea that the WiiU is on par or even lower than the actual consoles.
This is Nintendo fault IF they actually designed the console to be that graphically cheap.
If this is just launch mess, and the console can delivers way more, this IS STILL nintendo's fault cause they did nothing to show that.
Did they focused entirely on the difficult gamepad steaming problem ? I don't know but i fear this technical miracle is pretty invisible to people, and won't matter that much. Even a simpler, cheapest technology of tactile screen in any next gen console pad will be enough to deliver the same type of gameplay idea as ZombieU... I doubt this difference stays as long as the motion control did.
But anyway. I'll put it simply.
To me there was a window where Nintendo could play the "omg, i don't know what next gen will be but this looks next gen to me, and i won't be waiting for 2 years!" card. Just look at the Zelda demo (when it's 10 years old models and 720p..) reaction.
Now they missed that, and people know the WiiU won't be a first step into future.
That doesn't look good for the west. In Japan, things are different.
Yea, I have to give credit to Nintendo for pure efficiency. Under 40W stress load. Similar performance 7 years ago would have required between 6 and 7 times the power.
I think people are projecting goals on Nintendo that they never had in the first place. My guess is that Nintendo pretty much ignored the 360/PS3 architecture entirely and wanted the Wii U to merely be an HD console that streams to a tablet controller and based their entire design around that end goal, competition be damned. I think a lot of people thought Nintendo had "changed their tune" so to speak after the Wii and decided to pull back to satisfying a particular graphical standard. Evidently, that isn't the case at all. I imagine if someone directly said to a Nintendo guy "The Wii U can't do x and y tech as well as the 360 can." the immediate response would be "Yeah, so what?"
I'm not sure how well that'll work out for third parties but then, the entire gaming industry is in a pretty volatile state right now (a more or less self-inflicted volatility mind you, but that's another topic).
I wonder if people realize that if the 720 and PS4 get the 4-8GB of RAM that have been touted, they're going to have just as slow speeds as the Wii U... You can't get that much RAM for a decent price point without sacrificing something.
From one of the teardowns they're using Micron DDR3L, the same chip here
http://www.micron.com/~/media/Documents/Products/Data Sheet/DRAM/4Gb_1_35V_DDR3L.pdf
The teardown: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nintendo+Wii+U+Teardown/11796/2
"DDR3L SDRAM (1.35V) is a low voltage version of the
DDR3 SDRAM (1.5V)."
But you're right, it's not exactly the same used in ipods. That was hyperbole
720p is HD too.
Only for marketing reasons.
I wonder if people realize that if the 720 and PS4 get the 4-8GB of RAM that have been touted, they're going to have just as slow speeds as the Wii U... You can't get that much RAM for a decent price point without sacrificing something.
They could get double the bandwidth using more chips fairly easily. That would give them ram with speeds approximately the same as current 360/PS3, and then hopefully with more edram for the heavy bandwidth stuff
Now where's your evidence they're paying some kind of premium to save .15 volts, and not just ordering a bulk park at their desired voltage (which happens to be slightly different from the 1.5 volt standard for DIMMs)?
Oh yeah i forgot the news of nintendo getting rid of friend codes... well aside that all bad news:
From third party games that runs like ass to slow and sluggish OS, from super awkward backward compatibility to stupid restriction on how to store digital games... then the slower cpu and ram than 7 years old consoles, the Miiverse debug fiasco, the day one 1gb patch and so on...
you sure have a lot of reasons to not buy the console now.
All of you go on with your "well balanced hardware" and "promising future" or "GPGPU and eDRAM our saviour!" stuff if you want but do not blame others if they bail out from this trainwreck of launch
Its a much newer part, man. If it were cheaper, it would be used everywhere since there are literally very few if any downfalls to using it instead of DDR3.
More expensive longer life laptops tend to use DDR3L, the ones made by HP and Chinese manufacturers use DDR3.
And the difference can be anywhere from 20-40% in power savings.
It's like Nintendo asked what is the cheapest, highest yield lower voltage RAM available. of course theres an even smaller variation but that would yield even more criticism and higher prices.
Only for marketing reasons.
Only for marketing reasons.
It would be a terrible decision at this point to buy a Wii U unless you're that much of a Nintendo fan or are really interested in one of the launch "window" games. Until we hear about more upcoming titles, the hardware and the poor third-party support should be a huge turn-off for any potential buyers.
Only for marketing reasons.
Its a much newer part, man. If it were cheaper, it would be used everywhere since there are literally very few if any downfalls to using it instead of DDR3.
More expensive longer life laptops tend to use DDR3L, the ones made by HP and Chinese manufacturers use DDR3.
And the difference can be anywhere from 20-40% in power savings.
It's like Nintendo asked what is the cheapest, highest yield lower voltage RAM available. of course theres an even smaller variation but that would yield even more criticism and higher prices.
How about a big ass pad with a second screen? Sacrificing that probably gets you some money back for memory.I wonder if people realize that if the 720 and PS4 get the 4-8GB of RAM that have been touted, they're going to have just as slow speeds as the Wii U... You can't get that much RAM for a decent price point without sacrificing something.
How about a big ass pad with a second screen? Sacrificing that probably gets you some money back for memory.
How about a big ass pad with a second screen? Sacrificing that probably gets you some money back for memory.
It's not that much of a newer/more expensive part, Crucial have been using those exact same 1.35v Micron chip on their value range (cheap! £27 for 8Gb) PC-1600 DIMM's for quite a while, at least since Jan/Feb when I bought my 8Gb (2x4Gb) sticks.
Just a quick question, we know how the Wii U kinda compares to the HD twins now, what about the Vita?
I'm not sure how powerful Vita is so?
Just a quick question, we know how the Wii U kinda compares to the HD twins now, what about the Vita?
I'm not sure how powerful Vita is so?
That's what I was thinkingI would say in pure technical power it's 1/4 of current gen. But because screen is smaller it can push better looking graphic at lower res.
it has 128Vram
Yeah I kinda guess that but the Ram thing confused meVita is way inferior to the HD consoles
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They weren't.Exactly. Acting like it is some premium version of DDR3 is pure nonsense.
I'm playing great looking 720p and 1080p games, that run great, and controlling them with a pretty nice tablet controller with both touch controls and physical ones? This console feels new, and feels pretty fresh.
Time will tell if I feel this way in a couple of years, but....
With Wii U, Nintendo catches up to current display and audio tech. The biggest issues I had with Wii were the resolution and the poor audio. Those problems are gone. 1080p games with 5.1 LPCM? Fuck yeah. Add quality Nintendo gameplay on top? I don't think I'll be disappointed in the Wii U once the other 2 tech heavy consoles hit.
Why does the Wii-U OS take up 1GB of ram?
Doesn't the PS3 only use something like 52mb?