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Not Enough Shaders: ACKKStudios claims gaming site fished for Nintendo bashing answer
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Goddamn, 2012. You've been such a sweet year for dumb gaming journalism bullshit.
Pleas let 2013 be just as bad or worse, god. Please? I want to see the credibility of every single last one of these PR-regurgitating salesmen called into question until the only ones who actually know how to write seriously and report seriously are left standing.
Of course that would leave, who? Klepek and Zacny?
Pleas let 2013 be just as bad or worse, god. Please? I want to see the credibility of every single last one of these PR-regurgitating salesmen called into question until the only ones who actually know how to write seriously and report seriously are left standing.
Of course that would leave, who? Klepek and Zacny?
Bidermaier
Member
Is "she" actually more than a pseudonim?. ER sounds to me more like a false identity used when some journalist need to reveal dirty stuff without getting personal agro
Sir_Crocodile
Member
You got my hopes up, but I think you misread what I said. I'm in Japan and will buy a Japanese Wii U. I'm hoping for a Japanese version, not an American one.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
One would assume this is the end of Emily Rogers dabblings in the "writing about games" sphere (seriously people stop calling her a journalist, she's never progressed beyond loony blogger), but there'll always be some ragtag site desperate for whatever itty bitty morsels they can claw their way and she's very good at playing that particular fishing game.
I think the most particular low-point was lying that it wasn't Kotaku on her now closed Twitter, as if she could allude to another invisible website's imagined evils and still let the article's "merits" stand.
If she took a long time off, a year or two, and looked REALLY HARD in the mirror and considered "why am I championing a multi-billion rich corporation to whom I have no employment ties?" and washed herself of most of her infantile console warrior bias she might have a shot, maybe purposely go through the Playstation family and Xbox console backlogs in a decleansing process. But these types rarely change and just lash out at a place like GAF in response, eg: "b-b-b-b-b-but neckbeards!!" Must really sting that this side of the fence has caught her out yet again and made her "leave the internet".
At least the game got a slight added boost of attention from the controversy rather than slipping in as another indie retro game in busy new generation and big hitter season.
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Oh, I see they didn't learn a darned thing then.
I think the most particular low-point was lying that it wasn't Kotaku on her now closed Twitter, as if she could allude to another invisible website's imagined evils and still let the article's "merits" stand.
If she took a long time off, a year or two, and looked REALLY HARD in the mirror and considered "why am I championing a multi-billion rich corporation to whom I have no employment ties?" and washed herself of most of her infantile console warrior bias she might have a shot, maybe purposely go through the Playstation family and Xbox console backlogs in a decleansing process. But these types rarely change and just lash out at a place like GAF in response, eg: "b-b-b-b-b-but neckbeards!!" Must really sting that this side of the fence has caught her out yet again and made her "leave the internet".
At least the game got a slight added boost of attention from the controversy rather than slipping in as another indie retro game in busy new generation and big hitter season.
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NotEnoughShaders said:
Oh, I see they didn't learn a darned thing then.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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LOL!!
No. He asked about 8 and Notch gave a response. Since it wasn't what he was looking for he asked the same question using Gaben and his thoughts.
That's fishing for an answer/leading the question, herp derp.
Or are you trying to say its impossible to get a straight answer on opinion without citing peer examples, first? As if someone needs another person's opinion shoved in their face after they already gave theirs and then get the same question asked again? As if it will magically change the answer?
Its fishing. Plain as day.
Reminds me of John Minson, although that's mainly because he was freelancing for multiple magazines at the same time. He was writing under four different pseudonyms at one point, *and* as himself!
Her time at NES has done far more good than harm, (not connected to her blog from last year mind you) Ackkstudios is bringing the game to Wii U and will likely bring future titles to Nintendo as well, that is the upside to her work that she did for the site.
The real tragedy here is that this avenue for indie developers is probably closed forever, since Emily had the relationship with both Indies and Nintendo, I was completely surprised that something like that had happened in the first place, and hopefully some of the other studios she pointed out to Nintendo will be helped out in the end as well. I doubt Nintendo will stop either way, the people there in charge of eShop have a real passion for indie devs, and I am glad to see that I'll be able to play many of these on the Gamepad, especially since Nintendo didn't get the VC working on that beautiful controller. Seriously that is my biggest complaint about the system, beyond the 2 hour update that many people will have to do on xmas day after opening their presents, and of course the horrible lag of the OS.
Sustained. Move to strike.
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Do you seriously not see how this reads like a Nintendo PR statement?
Ok, obviously I don't work for Nintendo, I'm open about my like of the companies products and my dislikes of certain people at Nintendo (reggie) if you don't agree with my opinions that is fine, if you wish the site had more articles from your view point, just write some. If you look at the portal history on the site, you'll notice most authors only write 1 or 2 articles. That is because we aren't a company but a community. I actually wish we had more gamers who were mostly into other platforms so this notion that we would rather pray at our company of choice's shrines rather than play the games they make, would go away.
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You see, I was hanging around the Wii U Speculation Thread when Not Enough Shaders first came up. I thought it was a bad idea, and said so. The whole website was born out of a backwards way of looking at the situation (Nintendo doesn't get enough credit! We'll give people the REAL news), and I can't see why anyone who prefers other platforms would even consider writing for you; the very name of the website is a passive-aggressive sideswipe at some of Nintendo's critics, for God's sake.
I'm afraid you've got a website that tries to overcompensate against what you see as journalists being "unfair" to Nintendo, which leads to half-cocked articles like the one that Ms. Rogers put up.
So you don't see a problem with someone having an heavy relationship with two companies about which she should write objectively, and then writing about those. At least Lauren Wainright got paid by one of those parties.
I've said what I think about the article, that it shouldn't of been published, and once it was it should have been updated rather than being taken down. I did explain that she took it down because the developer told her to do so. That she didn't want to hurt the developer and that she should of contacted at the very least them for permission to run the article.
Yeah, I was there when the website was being created as well, I told them "this can't be a website for just Nintendo, I don't even really want to be a part of that" I then explained that almost all of us love other platforms, for instance the platform I easily love the most is PC, but the site isn't system wars, authors write what they want and the editors that put it on the site make sure that their topics are sourced and do grammar corrections. Emily was an editor so she could publish her own work and the person she showed it to before it was published wasn't an editor. Which is the biggest mistake that was made, especially since it wasn't a timely piece, she should have used the same quality she had used in her previous articles on the site and ran it through an editor.
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..But she didn't, because exposing journalists being mean to Nintendo took priority.
And therein lies the problem.
Gsak
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The problem(s) begin and end with us, the gamers/customers.
If people gave a damn about how good the actual games are and not so much about "MAH CONSOLE IS BETTER CAUSE IT HAS MOAR POWER AND GREAT SPECS", we wouldn't have a lot less off this particular mess.
Great games make a console great. Technical power means something only when it helps in making better games. And no, I don't mean graphics alone.
What exactly am I not agreeing with you here? Honestly I think she thought she was helping the developer because she felt it was being bullied (caught in the middle of bait click stuff) again it should never have been published.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
No she didn't. The title of the attack-article was "Gaming Journalism vs Nintendo", not "Tiny Indie Falls Prey To Negative News Hungry Website". It was all about protecting the sacred cow that is the Big N by flinging as much shit the conventional gaming media's way as possible.
If nothing else youve got the "closing rank and file" knack of your peers down pat.
The gist of the article was in fact in defense of the studio, but it was framed within her complaints of websites looking for negative comments of Nintendo. Though a title like that does not help.
Read the article again, she says right in it that its a shame that ackkstudios was put in the center of that, and why else would she talk about hurricane sandy and the studio just getting over that. Yes there was another part to the article, but to ignore it just to write off the entire article as some sort of pr for Nintendo is ridiculous imo. Again I'm not defending the article, it shouldn't of been published, but I highly doubt is was made up for some sort of stupid agenda, if it was anything she didn't regret putting up, why would she delete her Twitter account over it?
I wish sometimes people didn't just write me off as a Nintendo fan, because the logic here certainly doesn't require much thinking, but a lot of people see my avatar and just call me a Nintendo shill and move on.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
She deleted her twitter because she got caught out in multiple lies. Again.
The "oh my avatar" defense doesn't really tread water when theres a 20 page ocean of Wii U topic only posts (give or take a poking into PS4 rumour territory) laying underneath you. NES is Nintendo-ville, thats that. Stop trying to field the "But I play other consoles" myoneblackfriend response and the place will be fine as what it is as a home away from home for NintenGAF old and newly banned; trying to pretend it has a multi-console objective future is just lying to yourselves.
The "oh my avatar" defense doesn't really tread water when theres a 20 page ocean of Wii U topic only posts (give or take a poking into PS4 rumour territory) laying underneath you. NES is Nintendo-ville, thats that. Stop trying to field the "But I play other consoles" myoneblackfriend response and the place will be fine as what it is as a home away from home for NintenGAF old and newly banned; trying to pretend it has a multi-console objective future is just lying to yourselves.
Sorry to interject once again.
He stated that he does not want to be thought of as only a Nintendo fan, not that NES isn't a Nintendo-centric website.
There is still the issue of her writing other articles about both Nintendo and ACCK despite having heavy relations with both.
I believe she wrote 3 articles about the studio... The first was an interview with them. (where her relationship came from in the first place?) The second was that Two Brothers was coming to Wii U (they had told her and that she could report it) and the Third was this article.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44719137&postcount=10395
I've also hung out in a few other threads like the ME3 horrible ending threads. Where I played the game on my PC. I've talked about Lost Odyssey as my favorite RPG this generation, that was until I played Xenoblade. Seriously, just because you see me as Brand Nintendo, doesn't mean that is the only cereal I eat.
Gsak
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So, she has done this bs again?
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I am Korean.
Yep. Basic Fox News tactic. Just plug Nintendo in where Republican usually goes, and you get stuff like this. Grand media conspiracies against the bubble etc.
I agree, I won't even try to defend that headline, it should have been more like the one to this thread. Though again, it shouldn't have been published at all.
Again, "So you don't agree with Gabe Newell that Windows 8 is catastrophic for everyone in the PC space?". This is not a loaded question, only if you think that Notch is an infant with no ability to stand by his opinions or intelligent enough to answer the question without being confrontational towards Gabe. Gabe said that windows 8 was bad to everyone in the PC space, having a notable PC developer talking about the OS in an interview is only natural to ask him if he agrees with that opinion.
How is it leading? Notch already gave his answer, the follow up with Gabe opinion context is just to clarify and give Notch the opportunity to give his reasons for agreeing/disagreeing with him. If you read/watch a random interview of a politic/artist/writer chances are you will have a very similar line of questioning. Give Notch a bit more credit.
Mixing race into a gaming journalism discussion? Wow.
Again, I don't even know why EviLore posted that sticky thread. No one here is really paying attention to his requests at all.
Emily's quitting game's journalism. From her latest article: http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...-gory-details-on-his-new-studio-and-new-game/
Chris Seavor is looking well.
The post above mine also links to news about the new game he is working on so check it out.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...-gory-details-on-his-new-studio-and-new-game/
The post above mine also links to news about the new game he is working on so check it out.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...-gory-details-on-his-new-studio-and-new-game/
So she admits to having at least five undisclosed conflicts-of-interest with regards to her trying to do "journalism" prior to her ditching after the response to her hit piece. Seems pretty typical. I'd be interested in knowing what platform these indies she's been working with are developing for.
Yo Link-av-dude, remember when I questioned Rogers' connections in some other thread and you tried to assert that they were being overemphasised? Wanna explain yourself?
They're all Wii U/3DS games, I bet. Everything she wrote for that site was a puff piece for the eShop.
They're all Wii U/3DS games, I bet. Everything she wrote for that site was a puff piece for the eShop.
That paragraph reads like a telegram with so many short sentences.
STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP
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There's still no mention of how or why she blatantly lied about
for the second time, possibly third, I forget if she said she was quitting journalism forever when Retro said her articles were a complete fabrication
Now she gets it.
Gamer Journalism: Still better than Fox News (except for IGN, which IS Fox News)
Father_Brain
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Good. She has her heart in the right place as far as indie devs are concerned, but this incident is just indefensible.
Can you imagine if Fox News deleted their channel over bad journalism?
I'd like to think they're a little more discriminating than that.