Arozay
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I heard that they cancelled the show so that's good. As long as these two aren't shuffled around and restored to a position where they can inflict harm again that would be a decent outcome.
You make it sound like a mob hit.
I heard that they cancelled the show so that's good. As long as these two aren't shuffled around and restored to a position where they can inflict harm again that would be a decent outcome.
I heard that they cancelled the show so that's good. As long as these two aren't shuffled around and restored to a position where they can inflict harm again that would be a decent outcome.
You make it sound like a mob hit.
The DJ's are idiots but they didn't mean to destroy her life, that was not their intent.
They made a poor decision to even go through with the half arsed idea but the real issue is that the managers at the station ran the bit without any consent.
It was clear from what was said that the nurse was misled and would result in repercussions for her (as well as the hospital).
I can't believe that the DJ's wanted to go on the lowest grade interview shows we have in the country to explain themselves when the safest and most open option would have been a press conference, the station itself is at fault for not letting them go ahead with that. The station even refused to let them talk to the ABC as they were only letting commercial media entities interview them, which is just ridiculous.
The DJ's have gone though a lot of shit, and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives because of what has happened to this nurse and her family. They will never forget it.
They fucked up but that doesn't mean they should be drawn and quartered.
Fuck the station though. Whoever has been making those decisions hasn't been doing the right thing.
Pretty rough to cancel the Christmas party for the entire station though, punishing everyone for the actions of a very few.
The fact the nurse got into trouble, well that's her own fault for not doing her job properly, or the hospital's job for not training her properly to deal with the call. So the prank call is a good tool for society, just like defense lawyers, investigate journalists and whistleblowers. It exposed the failures of the hospital and opened up their eyes so that they may take action to reduce this in future. So the next time if it is a malicious caller it is more likely to be stopped. The hospital should be thanking the journalists for showing their security failures.
What's more believable, that she killed herself over this prank or that she was killed for inadvertently leaking private information?You call that "thinking"?
Using suicide to guilt someone is cowardly.
The family of the nurse who killed herself after the Aussie radio prank are blaming the DJs for her death. The only person to blame in this instance is the person who committed suicide. People who use suicide to manipulate others into feeling shame or guilt are the ultimate cowards. If anyone blames me for a suicide, I will hunt them down and kick their ass in the spirit world. Fuck you. Grow some balls and take responsibility for your own livesand deaths.
I posted this sentiment on Facebook to a shitstorm of butt-hurt pilgrims jumping on the blame-wagon to Absurdistan. One person said "you can't talk shit unless you were in her situation." Oh right, what situation is that? It was a prank call. The few moments of humiliation following the call won't compare to the suffering this woman has caused her children, her husband, her family, the radio DJs and their family. Not to mention the inevitable slew of censorship laws that will come in the aftermath.
The administrator of the Father Muller Medical College Hospital had this to say:
"It should not have happened at all because Jacintha is not at fault. May those who are responsible for her death understand the mistake they have committed"
-Father Richard Coelho
Anyone who doesn't see this suicide as anything other than a selfish act is an idiot. Got problems? Yeah, well so do I and everyone else, but if you have kids to raise, you raise them. FUCK YOU. Tough it out, do your job and suck it up.
What pisses me off about this is that people are blaming the DJs like they're solely culpable and directly responsible for Jacintha Saldanha's death. The cowards who are blaming the DJs conveniently ignore all the other actors on stage for this tragedy. The blame starts and stops with the DJswhose lives and careers are ruined due to this woman's selfish act. The only way the DJs would be responsible for her death is if they knew that she would kill herself before the call, and called her anyway with the intent of causing her suicide. So in other words, if the DJs were time travelers.
The DJs aren't to blame any more than Alexander Graham Bell or Alan Turing for the computational foundation of modern computing that allowed the DJs to upload their video to YouTube. If Turing had intentionally created this foundation with the express purpose of ruining this woman's life, then I will back down from my position. But until there's evidence of Turing's involvement, anyone who impugns the DJs for this tragedy is an idiot and a coward.
Maddox's post on his website pretty much reflects my feelings on the matter.
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=suicide_blame
She's the only person who knew what the outcome of her actions would be in the scenario. The DJs didn't abandon their family.Yes. Instead we should blame the woman who committed suicide. Maddox should stick to "jokes."
Yes. Instead we should blame the woman who committed suicide. Maddox should stick to "jokes."
Yes. Instead we should blame the woman who committed suicide. Maddox should stick to "jokes."
Seriously, I don't get how you can leave your kids just like that. Fuck.
It's your own life and all that, but the moment you have kids, you are morally obliged to care for them for the next 14 years at bare minimum.
Yes. Instead we should blame the woman who committed suicide. Maddox should stick to "jokes."
If all you did was patch a prank call through to another nurse and you barely even communicated with the pranksters, then you commit suicide, there was A LOT more at play than the prank call.
It is extremely disingenuous to put even a moderate amount of blame on the radio hosts. They may not be as funny as Opie, Anthony, and Jimmy Norton, but they had effectively jack all to do with this idiot ending her life.
There would have been little backlash against her publicly, when all was said and done. In fact, the public would have been behind her and against the radio show hosts.
If all you did was patch a prank call through to another nurse and you barely even communicated with the pranksters, then you commit suicide, there was A LOT more at play than the prank call.
It is extremely disingenuous to put even a moderate amount of blame on the radio hosts. They may not be as funny as Opie, Anthony, and Jimmy Norton, but they had effectively jack all to do with this idiot ending her life.
There would have been little backlash against her publicly, when all was said and done. In fact, the public would have been behind her and against the radio show hosts.
But in the end, the suicide blame lies with only one person.
The direct consequences were they got put through. What happened to the nurse was indirectly related to the actions of the DJs. They were however direct consequences of her actions(not doing her job properly).You are always responsible for the direct consequences of your actions.
damn, this thread is a low key graveyard. Sad situation and DJ's took it too far. RIP
What's with the inappropriate comments about the lady who committed suicide.
Bunch of self-actualized alpha hard-asses we got over here.
It's called being mindful of your actions because you cannot know what everyone's breaking limit is. You are always responsible for the direct consequences of your actions. Best case scenario that lady was severely reprimanded or even fired. Worst case she kills herself. None of which would have happened without their interference.
I don't know if the standards are different in the UK than they are here, but I doubt they are. Giving out patient information is a serious and probably career ending mistake.
Bunch of self-actualized alpha hard-asses we got over here.
It's called being mindful of your actions because you cannot know what everyone's breaking limit is. You are always responsible for the direct consequences of your actions. Best case scenario that lady was severely reprimanded or even fired. Worst case she kills herself. None of which would have happened without their interference.
damn, this thread is a low key graveyard. Sad situation and DJ's took it too far. RIP
I don't know if the standards are different in the UK than they are here, but I doubt they are. Giving out patient information is a serious and probably career ending mistake.
If your breaking limit is patching someone through to another nurse on a switchboard, there is something wrong. So much more wrong in your life that the call has nothing to do with it.
And yea, it seems like she would have killed herself anyway. A rude cashier at the supermarket would have seemingly the same affect.
Prank calling a hospital is already crossing a line, but then to actually broadcast that stuff... Don't think you can blame the DJs directly for her death, but it's good that radiostations are reminded of their limits again.What she did was a sackable offense. That's why when the clip was broadcast on the radio in Australia, before any knowledge of the suicide, 1000s of people complained. The prank had the nurse commit a breach of security, something she will have been reprimanded for and something she could have been sacked for.
The real people to blame are the station lawyers, program directors and anyone else in charge that gave the bit the OK to air.
Not really. It depends entirely on the information and circumstances.
What the nurse gave out in the 30 second conversation was really nothing the press didn't already know from official releases.
What the nurse face if anything was a conduct hearing and most likely an afternoon of retraining in security practices.
Didn't they consult with the hospital first? I don't see why it should not have been aired. Nothing wrong with it really besides the embarrassment of the staff or hospital in allowing themselves to be fooled by such an obvious prank. I'm sure legally as well it's perfectly fine. Mistakes do happen ultimately, and the top brass should not have (provided they did) fired or reprimanded the nurses so severely. The call has only really become an issue since the suicide, which happened days after.
Though I do think the first nurse made a huge mistake in just handing the call over so quickly. It was a very silly thing to do, but I guess she was scared/overwhelmed and not thinking straight.
I do think the first nurse made a huge mistake in just handing the call over so quickly. It was a very silly thing to do, but I guess she was scared, overwhelmed, under immense pressure and not thinking straight.
I'm objecting to you calling a person who died an idiot. Show some compassion.
People have been fired for talking about a patient on a bus when a relative happened to be there. The information is confidential, no matter what it is or how harmless it may seem.
No they didn't. It was a very harmless call and that really should have been that.
The retarded amount of media pushing te story is the real shame here and now we have the tabloids begging for blood and pretending to be offended and insulted by the actions of "2 stupid Australian radio hosts"
The whole thing is a media beat up and once again at the center is the brittish tabloids.
Fuck, even prince Charles was joking about it in the days after the call.
HIPAA laws are only violated if you reveal information that can identify the patient.
Simply talking about a patient on the bus or to someone else is not a violation. Some you give out their name, etc it is.
And like I said, the information she gave out had already been officially given to the press.
It's a very different situation to the one you are describing and in no way related.
DJs make prank calls. There's no harm in that. A healthy person would not commit suicide due to being the victim of one.
A prank that could result in someone losing their job isn't harmless