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Victim of prank call to Kate Middleton hospital found dead in suspected suicide
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sol_bad
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
As soon as they heard that the daughter had been raped you could tell that Kyle and Jacki O were shocked, you can har the tone in their voices change, they were extremely apologetic once the cat was out of the bag.
It was the mum that was stupid for even wanting to ask her daughter about sex on radio.
And it was probably the producers of the show that allowed it to go ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLZzgbLCdFE
I used to listen to the couple a lot and they aren't "notorious" like the media wants us to believe.
ElfArmy177
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Is there a hippa like law that can be enforced? Probably not seeing as its international.
They should be thrown In jail for something... Violating hospital private information... Impersonating a political figure? I dunno, something... I guess none of that would stick since its across the world...
its not that they are Australian... Anyone can be a fuck. But who the fuck thinks its a good idea to impersonate a political figure and ask for protected information??
They should be thrown In jail for something... Violating hospital private information... Impersonating a political figure? I dunno, something... I guess none of that would stick since its across the world...
its not that they are Australian... Anyone can be a fuck. But who the fuck thinks its a good idea to impersonate a political figure and ask for protected information??
OpinionatedCyborg
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I don't think the analogy works because nurses are the high end security system. It isn't unusual for nurses to be answering phones, handling patient records, and doing admin work (at least in Canada)... nurses are, more than any other health care professional, tasked with protecting patient confidentiality from strangers, prying family members, or other health care professionals who are not directly working with that patient.
I skimmed through this thread here, which has a few UK nurses putting in their two cents:
http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/hospital-reveals-details-800859.html
yeah, check the last page. UK has its own privacy laws and I am sure each hospital has its own set of protocols, particularly one that cares for the royal family
The djs are nob ends, but ultimately it was nurses decision top herself. She fucked up at her job and unfortunately it was two of the most 'famous' people in the uk if not the world that were affected.
Unless she had a mental illness, seems like she took the cowards way out. People fuck up at work all the time, just move on. The rags will cling on to the next story in a month or so anyway and it would have been forgotten. Shame.
Unless she had a mental illness, seems like she took the cowards way out. People fuck up at work all the time, just move on. The rags will cling on to the next story in a month or so anyway and it would have been forgotten. Shame.
Working in the medical field here in the uk there is alot of and i mean shed load of redlines you don't cross and one of them is Data protection act.
2 idiotic Djs in the name of cheap laughter alongside their numbskull producers taught it would be perfectly fine to air private information of a person on air.
Then you have a hospital which i get the feeling did not give any support to the nurse in question. Probably a few giigles at her expense. Nurse mortified by what happened, nature of the events, the high profile nature of the royal family and what you then have is a nurse who was completely broken down.
Don't feel sorry for those worthless DJs. Feel sorry for the nurse's children and husband. They lost someone precious because some fuckin idiots thought it would be a laugh to prank call a hospital.
And now you have simmering rage and insults built upon nationalistic lines between brits and aussies and you can even see it in gaf here.
What a sad state of affairs
2 idiotic Djs in the name of cheap laughter alongside their numbskull producers taught it would be perfectly fine to air private information of a person on air.
Then you have a hospital which i get the feeling did not give any support to the nurse in question. Probably a few giigles at her expense. Nurse mortified by what happened, nature of the events, the high profile nature of the royal family and what you then have is a nurse who was completely broken down.
Don't feel sorry for those worthless DJs. Feel sorry for the nurse's children and husband. They lost someone precious because some fuckin idiots thought it would be a laugh to prank call a hospital.
And now you have simmering rage and insults built upon nationalistic lines between brits and aussies and you can even see it in gaf here.
What a sad state of affairs
sweetvar26
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Pretty much. This whole thing is nothing but saddening.
scar tissue
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Seriously, I don't get how you can leave your kids just like that. Fuck.
It's your own life and all that, but the moment you have kids, you are morally obliged to care for them for the next 14 years at bare minimum.
Edit: As for the DJs, this is sad but they had no way of knowing that the nurse was going to kill herself because of this. Maybe 1 person out of 1000 would, and they were just unlucky.
kyoya
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First, what I don't understand is why didn't the hospital have a communications or privacy protocol for the royal family in place? If they did have a communication or security protocol in place why didn't they enforce it with all staff?
Second, is just the whole usage of common sense. I'm absolutely positive the Duchess of Cambridge would have had her own cell phone, or at least her own private hospital room phone line, which other members of the royal family would have access to. Why would two hospital nurses assume that the Queen herself would just ring up the hospital switchboard to connect with a member of her own family? My guess is that each nurse was probably stressed out, wasn't thinking clearly due to exhaustion on the job and just let the call go through.
All in all, I'm pretty positive the queen knows how to use a cell phone and access a contact list.
Kings Edward VII's Hospital has been treating members of the royal family for many years. They still didn't deserve to be pranked. That phone line should have been kept open for real patient needs and emergencies. All hospital staff (nurses and doctors) have to be off the phone dealing with urgent patient emergencies - not stupid childish pranks.
Second, is just the whole usage of common sense. I'm absolutely positive the Duchess of Cambridge would have had her own cell phone, or at least her own private hospital room phone line, which other members of the royal family would have access to. Why would two hospital nurses assume that the Queen herself would just ring up the hospital switchboard to connect with a member of her own family? My guess is that each nurse was probably stressed out, wasn't thinking clearly due to exhaustion on the job and just let the call go through.
All in all, I'm pretty positive the queen knows how to use a cell phone and access a contact list.
Kings Edward VII's Hospital has been treating members of the royal family for many years. They still didn't deserve to be pranked. That phone line should have been kept open for real patient needs and emergencies. All hospital staff (nurses and doctors) have to be off the phone dealing with urgent patient emergencies - not stupid childish pranks.
The phone call was pretty tame. I got a feeling that maybe the nurse was berated by hospital staff after the incident, instead of saying 'haha jacintha dont worry about it,' they probably yelled at her. And thats what drove her. If thats the case then they should be blamed.
Her being indian I can see it, probably the meek shy immigrant mom type, alot of asian moms are like that(like my mom). They'll take public embarrassment alot harder than the average person. Though taking your life is over the top.
Her being indian I can see it, probably the meek shy immigrant mom type, alot of asian moms are like that(like my mom). They'll take public embarrassment alot harder than the average person. Though taking your life is over the top.
Messypandas
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The DJ's will carry the burden of that guilt for the rest of their lives, that punishment enough. The call was stupid prank but they are not responsible for her actions; this moral indignation by the tabloids and overblown reaction is sickening
A Link to the Past
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I don't think that the radio show hosts should be charged with anything besides a minor crime, but I do think that there should be laws against prank calling hospitals.
Broder Salsa
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Couldn't agree more with this.
I NEED SCISSORS
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I think when it comes to prank calls, hospitals, law enforcement and fire brigade should be off limits. This whole terrible affair aside, you waste people's important time. I'd put it on the same level as fake 999 calls.
Exactly. I don't think most radio stations would prank call the police or fire departments, so why is a hospital okay?
I'm not sure they deserve to be thrown in jail? The two are pretty devastated themselves after news broke that the nurse killed herself.
Even though they were still gloating about their massive success while people shook their heads, they still never intended for somebody to end up dead.
These pranks are both amusing and stupid, I didn't think it was a good idea in the first place but it was otherwise taken rather lightly even by the royal family (at least publicly). Nobody really could've foreseen what ended up happening.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20662352
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCh_ecpLimc&feature=player_embedded#!
Radio hosts interviewed on TV show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCh_ecpLimc&feature=player_embedded#!
Radio hosts interviewed on TV show.
BertramCooper
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I'm pretty sure this happened while I was in Marylebone.
Freaky.
Freaky.
These two DJs need to kill themselves...
So that society will come to understand that the tragedy that has unfolded is merely a symptom of an unhealthy society that is 1. celebrity obsessed, 2. So quick and thoughtless to demonize for what ultimately is a mild judgement error. 3. So lacking in compassion.
I'm not actually suggesting they kill themselves in case you're trying to take offense. You compassionless monster you.
They were fucking stupid. I mean if the nurse "just" lost her job because of this "prank", it would have been funny, right right? No it wouldn't have been.
How fucking stupid are those 2 DJs? If they don't get any actual legal punishment because of this, they will do something like that again in 2 months.
And why is this even called a prank call? It wasn't a real prank call. It was faking a phone call to get medical information of a famous person.
How fucking stupid are those 2 DJs? If they don't get any actual legal punishment because of this, they will do something like that again in 2 months.
And why is this even called a prank call? It wasn't a real prank call. It was faking a phone call to get medical information of a famous person.
No laws have been broken.
I wouldn't rush to judgement on that.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-10/holmes-an-unforeseeable-but-not-unaccountable-tragedy/4418942
What the two of them did wasn't illegal. What the radio station did in deciding to run the recording of a private conversation without the knowledge or permission of those recorded is and is subject to investigation by the authorities.
They did commit a crime by prank calling a hospital and providing a false identity when the only information the hospital could potentially supply in return was restricted, this is identity fraud 101, illegal pretty much everywhere.
The radio hosts most likely were instructed to make the call by their producer so they can continue to play ignorant and he will be the target of legal charges in that particular matter, but the Australian radio station now publicly claiming nothing illegal happened (including broadcasting a secret recording without permission) is preposterous.
OpinionatedCyborg
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They do seem remorseful but completely incapable of accepting responsibility for how the prank went (if they just wantdd to be hung up on why air the entire call or stay on the line?) and the decision to put it on the air. I can't stand people like this. Either they are lying simpletons who do not recognize the power they have and are incapable of critical thought or they are simply trying to save face now by diluting their responsibility and passing the buck to some nebulous "process" that neither of them can even describe. I don't hold them responsible for the suicide, but it annoys me that they won't accept responsibility for the prank itself... They act as if they are powerless cogs in a machine. Guys: it is your show. Exercise a little brain power when it comes I the show's content and take an active role into what goes on air.
Isn't lying about your identity in order to acquire personal information fraud?
In the piece I posted suggests the privacy sections only apply to news and current affairs programs. Entertainment can fuck people privacy royally.
Yeah. I kept hearing about this story through that day and wondering, "why the hell is this national news?". It wasn't really worded the same way as the thread title. Just basically a nurse had died from that hospital and that she was a victim of a prank call once. It wasn't made clear the two were related, or that she had committed suicide.
It's a sad story of course, but then people die every day. I just couldn't understand why this had made national news rather than remain simply local news. I was listening to Mark Kermode on Radio 5 and the show kept being interrupted by updates on this news story. You'd think the Queen had died.
That only means the Australian Communications and Media Authority can't touch them and their broadcast license isn't at risk, they are still liable for fraud and disregard for privacy.
D.Lo
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Yes. It wasn't the prank that killed the nurse, but the continued manufactured reverence for a class of leeches, leeches that are the last remnants of a brutal feudal rule that should have no place in any modern society.
They sound like dipshits. Like most people in australian commercial media employ.
But standing by the points I made; finding scapegoats and people to blame is a pretty vicious part of human behaviour and culture that should be more critically examined in light of this suicide; not this dumb, but exceedingly typical and except in this case, harmless sort of radio prank tomfoolery done by many before them and likely many after them.
Yeah this was awful.
Private medical information is very sensible information, but this was even more than that, it was a matter of state. The president of Venezuela recently admitted to his cancer going back, even thought everyone suspected those news were definitely not handled lightly and they took some time to be disclosed.
Here we are talking about the future ruler of England, I would be not surprised at all if she was fired as a result of the prank, which might have pushed her to suicide, and now the hospital is covering the issue.
You may be pro or against monarchy, you might think is stupid or anything, but for now that is the system in England, and Australia for that matter, so pranking about it seems naive at best. Would people do pranks to president Obama in the US? I doubt it.
Private medical information is very sensible information, but this was even more than that, it was a matter of state. The president of Venezuela recently admitted to his cancer going back, even thought everyone suspected those news were definitely not handled lightly and they took some time to be disclosed.
Here we are talking about the future ruler of England, I would be not surprised at all if she was fired as a result of the prank, which might have pushed her to suicide, and now the hospital is covering the issue.
You may be pro or against monarchy, you might think is stupid or anything, but for now that is the system in England, and Australia for that matter, so pranking about it seems naive at best. Would people do pranks to president Obama in the US? I doubt it.
Fraud like this in the medical practice is nothing but harmless, HIPAA violations in America (and their equivalent laws in other countries) are a huge deal.
Geez, somehow this thread is getting more stupid than the media frenzy around something like this.
Hindsight is 20/20.
If a death had not resulted, I doubt many people would give too much of a shit that the law was (or wasn't in this case) broken. Maybe some people, but you certainly wouldn't be here in this thread using the 'law has been broken' justification as a way of shaming these guys (because it was a dumb prank, where no one got hurt).
Messypandas
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Of course these two are thrown under the bus by the media; nobody cares the amount of shit thats reported in the news thats private, invasive celeb-obsessed garbage thats questionably obtained until somebody dies because of it. Then they get to turn around and act all high-and-mighty like the defenders of moral justice, and the public still eats that shit up for breakfast. You do NOT need to showboat these two on T.V crying to sate the public's need for blood. its nothing to do with us, have a private moment with their family.
You are 100% wrong, small violations are what end up turning into big violations in this field. As someone working on the field in the periphery (.ie I never handle PHI), we are constantly reminded about this.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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You call that "thinking"?
You think we would be having continued international media incidents over this shit without the death?
Well, I guess we're just going to have to disagree there.
I suppose. I don't really know how fraud laws work in relation to prank calls. I'm sure the hosts will argue like they already have that they expected to be hung up on.
I think in the end, 2DayFM will likely be punished and they'll let the hosts off with a slap on the wrist because they're equally devastated (or so we're led to believe!)
The radio station's handling of the whole thing is far from satisfactory to me. "Oh we tried to contact them five times but couldn't get through, that's good enough, right?" No, dummy, if you can't get consent, you shouldn't broadcast it.
And then trying to take control of media fallout by granting sympathetic interviews to Today Tonight and A Current Affair rather than an open press conference or at least a reputable news outlet. I feel bad for the hosts in this, but that just makes it look like a scripted act to me. Who knows how genuine the interviews are.
For the record, I didn't watch the interviews.
Mammoth Jones
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There's absolutely no way anyone could know the poor girl would kill herself but they should have known the tabloid culture would have swallowed her whole regardless. They are ruthless.
Police, Fire, Hospitals should be absolutely off limits for radio jockeys to prank.
I'll blame them for a shitty prank that violated someone's privacy and getting the girl trouble. But it's hard for me to say they should have known she would kill herself.
I think the media should turn some of that righteous indignation and moral authority in on themselves. They're the reason everyone is so obsessed with the royals.
Police, Fire, Hospitals should be absolutely off limits for radio jockeys to prank.
I'll blame them for a shitty prank that violated someone's privacy and getting the girl trouble. But it's hard for me to say they should have known she would kill herself.
I think the media should turn some of that righteous indignation and moral authority in on themselves. They're the reason everyone is so obsessed with the royals.
Who really gives a shit about the royal family's privacy? I mean it may be worth the expense and governmental ease to keep them around, but it's not like they're actually all that important.
Well said, I agree.
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