Spot on.I'll just leave this here, good article -
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/a-tragedy-but-who-is-at-fault-20121208-2b29q.html
Spot on.I'll just leave this here, good article -
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/a-tragedy-but-who-is-at-fault-20121208-2b29q.html
If you listen to them say it (it was all over the news here when it happened) the live audio was completely disingenuous. Those two hosts (not the same as this nurse/middleton case) are notorious for doing something stupid, making a fake apology then doing it again two months later.
I don't think the analogy works because nurses are the high end security system. It isn't unusual for nurses to be answering phones, handling patient records, and doing admin work (at least in Canada)... nurses are, more than any other health care professional, tasked with protecting patient confidentiality from strangers, prying family members, or other health care professionals who are not directly working with that patient.Good illustration of the kind of reactions that probably contributed to the nurse's suicide.
Deceiving somebody and using a false identity to gain access to otherwise restricted information is a crime, arguing that the hospital should have been more careful even if they thought it was the Queen on the line (an almost sacred figure for many Brits) is fine but it doesn't change the overall picture. It's like claiming I deserve part of the blame when a burglar empties my house because I lack a high end security system.
I skimmed through this thread here, which has a few UK nurses putting in their two cents:Do we not have a nurse / doctor from the UK on this forum at all? It makes no sense at all that there wouldn't bet some sort of procedure for verifying an identity. Do privacy practices exist there? The US has HIPAA...
Is there a hippa like law that can be enforced? Probably not seeing as its international.
They should be thrown In jail for something... Violating hospital private information... Impersonating a political figure? I dunno, something... I guess none of that would stick since its across the world...
its not that they are Australian... Anyone can be a fuck. But who the fuck thinks its a good idea to impersonate a political figure and ask for protected information??
Working in the medical field here in the uk there is alot of and i mean shed load of redlines you don't cross and one of them is Data protection act.
2 idiotic Djs in the name of cheap laughter alongside their numbskull producers taught it would be perfectly fine to air private information of a person on air.
Then you have a hospital which i get the feeling did not give any support to the nurse in question. Probably a few giigles at her expense. Nurse mortified by what happened, nature of the events, the high profile nature of the royal family and what you then have is a nurse who was completely broken down.
Don't feel sorry for those worthless DJs. Feel sorry for the nurse's children and husband. They lost someone precious because some fuckin idiots thought it would be a laugh to prank call a hospital.
And now you have simmering rage and insults built upon nationalistic lines between brits and aussies and you can even see it in gaf here.
What a sad state of affairs
she had 2 kids and a husband.
Why in the fucking hell would you kill yourself of this? People had already moved it, it wasn't a big issue.
The DJ's will carry the burden of that guilt for the rest of their lives, that punishment enough. The call was stupid prank but they are not responsible for her actions; this moral indignation by the tabloids and overblown reaction is sickening
I think when it comes to prank calls, hospitals, law enforcement and fire brigade should be off limits. This whole terrible affair aside, you waste people's important time. I'd put it on the same level as fake 999 calls.
I'm not sure they deserve to be thrown in jail? The two are pretty devastated themselves after news broke that the nurse killed herself.Is there a hippa like law that can be enforced? Probably not seeing as its international.
They should be thrown In jail for something... Violating hospital private information... Impersonating a political figure? I dunno, something... I guess none of that would stick since its across the world...
its not that they are Australian... Anyone can be a fuck. But who the fuck thinks its a good idea to impersonate a political figure and ask for protected information??
How fucking stupid are those 2 DJs? If they don't get any actual legal punishment because of this, they will do something like that again in 2 months.
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No laws have been broken.
The equivalent clause of the Australian Commercial Radio Codes of Practice is much less wide-ranging. The voice of an 'identifiable person' that has been recorded without the person's knowledge, Code 6.1( b) says, cannot be broadcast unless:
...that person has subsequently, but prior to the broadcast, expressed consent to the broadcast of the words.
As Wendy Harmer has pointed out, that clause gives rise to the traditional 'gotcha' moment in the prank call routine on FM radio - the moment when the host says 'Ha ha! Gotcha! This is Charlie Darley from Mix 95 FM'; and the 'victim' says 'Oh no! Charlie Darley?'; and Charlie says 'Yeah! Now, you don't mind if we put this to air, do ya mate?'; and the victim, like a good sport, says 'Oh well, I was a mug, but I guess not...'
That's the moment you have to have, to get around Code 6.
In this case, it didn't happen. Austereo are now claiming that they telephoned the hospital multiple times, but failed to get through before the broadcast. But why even bother to call? There is simply no way that the hospital would or could have given permission for the call to be broadcast. Since it concerned one of the hospital's patients, its clear duty was to refuse.
Yet 2DayFM's lawyers and management listened to the prank call, after it was recorded and before it was broadcast, and gave it the go-ahead. Austereo CEO Rhys Holleran insists that the station has broken no law and no code.
How fucking stupid are those 2 DJs? If they don't get any actual legal punishment because of this, they will do something like that again in 2 months.
What the two of them did wasn't illegal. What the radio station did in deciding to run the recording of a private conversation without the knowledge or permission of those recorded is and is subject to investigation by the authorities.
They do seem remorseful but completely incapable of accepting responsibility for how the prank went (if they just wantdd to be hung up on why air the entire call or stay on the line?) and the decision to put it on the air. I can't stand people like this. Either they are lying simpletons who do not recognize the power they have and are incapable of critical thought or they are simply trying to save face now by diluting their responsibility and passing the buck to some nebulous "process" that neither of them can even describe. I don't hold them responsible for the suicide, but it annoys me that they won't accept responsibility for the prank itself... They act as if they are powerless cogs in a machine. Guys: it is your show. Exercise a little brain power when it comes I the show's content and take an active role into what goes on air.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20662352
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCh_ecpLimc&feature=player_embedded#!
Radio hosts interviewed on TV show.
What the two of them did wasn't illegal. What the radio station did in deciding to run the recording of a private conversation without the knowledge or permission of those recorded is and is subject to investigation by the authorities.
Isn't lying about your identity in order to acquire personal information fraud?
And what about privacy? After all, Code 2.3 (d) of the Commercial Radio Codes of Practice states that a licensee must ensure that it...
... does not use material relating to a person's personal or private affairs, or which invades an individual's privacy, unless there is a public interest in broadcasting such information.
Well, it would be hard to argue that there was an overriding public interest in this particular invasion of the Duchess's privacy. All too obviously, the call was for the entertainment of 2DayFM's listeners, and for no other purpose.
But ironically, the fact that 2Day FM's Hot 30 show is pure entertainment is what will get them off, because Code 2 applies exclusively to 'news and current affairs programs'. That includes most of the talkback programs on the AM band; it doesn't include the jolly japers on FM. For some bizarre reason, there is no obligation on entertainment programs to respect the privacy of those they broadcast about.
I clicked the link and read the whole article and I'm still super confused. I must have missed a previous story or something.
In the piece I posted suggests the privacy sections only apply to news and current affairs programs. Entertainment can fuck people privacy royally.
Yes. It wasn't the prank that killed the nurse, but the continued manufactured reverence for a class of leeches, leeches that are the last remnants of a brutal feudal rule that should have no place in any modern society.These two DJs need to kill themselves...
So that society will come to understand that the tragedy that has unfolded is merely a symptom of an unhealthy society that is 1. celebrity obsessed, 2. So quick and thoughtless to demonize for what ultimately is a mild judgement error. 3. So lacking in compassion.
I'm not actually suggesting they kill themselves in case you're trying to take offense. You compassionless monster you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20662352
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCh_ecpLimc&feature=player_embedded#!
Radio hosts interviewed on TV show.
They sound like dipshits. Like most people in australian commercial media employ.
But standing by the points I made; finding scapegoats and people to blame is a pretty vicious part of human behaviour and culture that should be more critically examined in light of this suicide; not this dumb, but exceedingly typical and except in this case, harmless sort of radio prank tomfoolery done by many before them and likely many after them.
Yes. It wasn't the prank that killed the nurse, but the continued manufactured reverence for a class of leeches, leeches that are the last remnants of a brutal feudal rule that should have no place in any modern society.
Fraud like this in the medical practice is nothing but harmless, HIPAA violations in America (and their equivalent laws in other countries) are a huge deal.
Hindsight is 20/20.
If a death had not resulted, I doubt many people would give too much of a shit that the law was (or wasn't in this case) broken. Maybe some people, but you certainly wouldn't be here in this thread using the 'law has been broken' justification as a way of shaming these guys (because it was a dumb prank, where no one got hurt).
I think the royal family killed her.
You are 100% wrong, small violations are what end up turning into big violations in this field. As someone working on the field in the periphery (.ie I never handle PHI), we are constantly reminded about this.
They did commit a crime by prank calling a hospital and providing a false identity when the only information the hospital could potentially supply in return was restricted, this is identity fraud 101, illegal pretty much everywhere.
The radio hosts most likely were instructed to make the call by their producer so they can continue to play ignorant and he will be the target of legal charges in that particular matter, but the Australian radio station now publicly claiming nothing illegal happened (including broadcasting a secret recording without permission) is preposterous.
It amazes me that there is no 007 security force for the royal family to vet shit like this.. All calls for information go via them and nobody else....
Maybe I watch too many films I dunno.
Of course these two are thrown under the bus by the media; nobody cares the amount of shit thats reported in the news thats private, invasive celeb-obsessed garbage thats questionably obtained until somebody dies because of it. Then they get to turn around and act all high-and-mighty like the defenders of moral justice, and the public still eats that shit up for breakfast. You do NOT need to showboat these two on T.V crying to sate the public's need for blood. its nothing to do with us, have a private moment with their family.