Enough with the self loathing. These fuckheads are not representative of most Australians. You obviously don't like them, most of AusGAF seems not to like them, I don't like them. And you seem to have missed the greatness that is ABC. It may not be BBC, but it is a damned sight better than the commercial shite.
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Victim of prank call to Kate Middleton hospital found dead in suspected suicide
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Enough with the self loathing. These fuckheads are not representative of most Australians. You obviously don't like them, most of AusGAF seems not to like them, I don't like them. And you seem to have missed the greatness that is ABC. It may not be BBC, but it is a damned sight better than the commercial shite.
Oh, so we are all dumb are we? go fuck yourself.
Seriously, commercial radio in Australia is atrocious. Probably the most brain dead shit that could be put into your ears. There is no variety (at least in Perth), you can listen to top-40, top-40, top-40, Christian top-40 or top-40 from the 90's. The breakfast hosts are about as funny as the rejected talk-shows only played at 4am on obscure cable channels. Who the hell thinks that pranks are funny in the year 2012 anyway?
TheHeretic
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Glorifying the last remnants of a brutal feudal system isn't out job, and the British actually expecting anyone to take their ridiculous and sinister monarchy seriously is their resonsibility, not ours. It was a prank call about morning sickness (which the British consider critical news) and apparently the real problem are DJs and Australian culture.
It's a freak occurrence and prank calls are funny. Three people's lives are pretty much ruined over a complete triviality, so spare the moralising.
I think that whatever happens to the two jerks will be a decent gauge of media culture in Australia.
All indications are that the station hopes to protect them by voluntarily taking down all advertisements for the weekend and "suspending" their program. The plan is probably to wait three weeks until it all blows over like that polygraph rape girl, and then they'll be back on the air again.
But in this case there's a corpse and the British Royals are involved, so I'm not sure it will be so easily buried.
All indications are that the station hopes to protect them by voluntarily taking down all advertisements for the weekend and "suspending" their program. The plan is probably to wait three weeks until it all blows over like that polygraph rape girl, and then they'll be back on the air again.
But in this case there's a corpse and the British Royals are involved, so I'm not sure it will be so easily buried.
TheHeretic
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Yes, if they get their jobs back it will be a victory.
That's quite the sick position to take. Thank you for reminding me what the middle letter of G/A/F stood for.
TheHeretic
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Should every DJ that's done a prank phone call be fired? How many DJs would be left in the world under such a rule?
Every DJ that discloses private information from a healthcare provider should absolutely be fired. The dead body is the icing on the cake, so to speak.
You might be yelling at the wrong person. Maybe. Pranks to hositals are not funny. Laws exist to protect medical privacy for very good reasons. There is no way the hists could have forseen anyone killing themselves, but they and whatever producer okayed prank calling a hospital chould not be involved in the mnedia in any way.
And what the hell makes you think I am defending the British royal family in any way?
I agree with your position, but that is not cool, man.
TheHeretic
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The hospital disclosed the information. What if a journalist disclosed such information, or some TMZ reporter? Should they be fired? There's no consistent position here, just clown reactionaries.
This is nothing less than victim blaming.
Yes. Any more lunacy from down under?
There's a culture that encouraged them to do this and TheHeretic is providing a vivid illustration of it.
TheHeretic
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Howard stern prank called hospitals, should he have quit after the Cobain call he made back in the 90s? T
The Hospital made the mistake, and its a negligible one since she's a celebrity anyway.
I am not familiar with the Cobain call, but yeah, sounds like a dick move. And celebrities have no right to medical privacy now?
Kiraly
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What the fuck?
TheHeretic
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Answer the question, should he have been fired or not. Because you either hold this standard to everyone (and I can go on naming popular DJs that make prank calls to hospitals and the like) or you are, like just about everyone in this thread, talking on pure reaction.
Once again, the leak came from the Hospital. Freedom of press laws allow it to be published after than point, and I've got more news for you, it happens constantly everywhere. Celebrity gossip constantly stems from leaks, including leaks about their health.
KamikazeTY
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Everyone has a right to medical privacy. However, You don't point the finger at the radio show host. What they do is deplorable but they aren't the ones who violated the privacy of the individual. That would be the hospital.
Yep, no other country does stupid things ever. What an idiotic post.
Bloody hell, calm down. Yes, he should have been fired if he violated medical privacy. So should anyone else that leaks medical information. If you are a broadcaster/publisher, and you are the one asking for the leak, yes, you should be fired. As should the person providing the information. If the information was gained by deception, that is also something that should be fireable. Medical information is not the same is who is dating who, or what someone is wearing.
If they requested the information they damn sure contributed. It is not like the host was just handed the information randomly, is it?
TheHeretic
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You still can't wrap your head around the onus of responsibility. The Hospital leaked the information willingly, but if you bother to listen to the call there's nothing in there worth talking about. This is a story because the woman died, nobody cared up until that point.
If you ask someone to break the law, and they do so, you have no repsonsibility for that?
Holy shit. Yes, they willingly and deliberately set out to leak patient information into the public domain. Unreal.
That's not even what happened. They weren't asked to break the law.
TheHeretic
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Legal responsibility? Or moral responsibility? The call they made was absurd and risible on its face. No one would have expected to get as far as they did, but no, the hospital is responsible for security checks.
Good illustration of the kind of reactions that probably contributed to the nurse's suicide.
Deceiving somebody and using a false identity to gain access to otherwise restricted information is a crime, arguing that the hospital should have been more careful even if they thought it was the Queen on the line (an almost sacred figure for many Brits) is fine but it doesn't change the overall picture. It's like claiming I deserve part of the blame when a burglar empties my house because I lack a high end security system.
Now it's your turn to answer the question.
Go ahead.
Exactly. No one is saying the hospital has no portiuon of blame, but to absolve the people asking for the information using decpetion is ridiuclous.
Awww you're just jealous because we come over and shag all your women.
TheHeretic
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ScreenSplitter
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A radio DJ in the UK (Tim Shaw) got fired repeatedly for much less.
grimshawish
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To be fair he broke into his bosses home live on air, trashed the place then jumped out at him to surprise him
Another time he pretended to have a suicide caller on the phone and had to talk them down, there was a police search and the public searched for the caller. It wasn't live.
So I finally read the entire story, listened to the prank call and understand all sides of this thing.
Conclusion? It's a fucking tragedy (duh, right?) I mean....harmless prank takes a bizarre turn and the victim KILLS herself (because of the alleged fallout)?
Trying to assign blame is somewhat difficult. This kinda reminds me of situations when I'm subbing. If there's a kid in the class that isn't suppose to be there, how am I suppose to know unless I take attendance (and make a seating chart) for all 5/6 classes? You're not required to do that, but when given the resources, I definitely do. Makes the class 100% easier to manage.
If I don't have a roster and a student yells out, "He's/she's not suppose to be in here!", I treat it as fact and call the student's bluff even if they're denying it. 90% of the time, the student is lying.
What if the student did something serious? Would I be liable since he was in the wrong class? I would be the duped guy who allowed a person in there who didn't belong. How does a hospital handle that sort of thing? Are they supposed to ask for SSNs or other kind things that would grant a person access to a patient's info? What if an expecting father was rushing into the hospital to get to his wife who was in labor? Would he have to be cleared by security first, or would they give him the room number upon request and just let him in?
What if.....Kate were in labor and she wanted one of her relatives (unknown to the public) to be there with her? If the relative weren't let in, surely Kate would be pissed and bad-mouth the hospital for denying her request.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Conclusion? It's a fucking tragedy (duh, right?) I mean....harmless prank takes a bizarre turn and the victim KILLS herself (because of the alleged fallout)?
Trying to assign blame is somewhat difficult. This kinda reminds me of situations when I'm subbing. If there's a kid in the class that isn't suppose to be there, how am I suppose to know unless I take attendance (and make a seating chart) for all 5/6 classes? You're not required to do that, but when given the resources, I definitely do. Makes the class 100% easier to manage.
If I don't have a roster and a student yells out, "He's/she's not suppose to be in here!", I treat it as fact and call the student's bluff even if they're denying it. 90% of the time, the student is lying.
What if the student did something serious? Would I be liable since he was in the wrong class? I would be the duped guy who allowed a person in there who didn't belong. How does a hospital handle that sort of thing? Are they supposed to ask for SSNs or other kind things that would grant a person access to a patient's info? What if an expecting father was rushing into the hospital to get to his wife who was in labor? Would he have to be cleared by security first, or would they give him the room number upon request and just let him in?
What if.....Kate were in labor and she wanted one of her relatives (unknown to the public) to be there with her? If the relative weren't let in, surely Kate would be pissed and bad-mouth the hospital for denying her request.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The fact that she was Indian orign explains a lot. A lot of them value honour, integrity and respect over everything else, even money. Working for the royal hospital must've been a huge honour for her and given her a lot of pride.
One prank call took all those things away and she couldn't face the world without them. Very sad.
One prank call took all those things away and she couldn't face the world without them. Very sad.
I'll just leave this here, good article -
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/a-tragedy-but-who-is-at-fault-20121208-2b29q.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/a-tragedy-but-who-is-at-fault-20121208-2b29q.html
grimshawish
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It ignores the fact they maliciously tried to get information on peoples medical information.
It blames the UK and says the DJs did nothing.
If you aim to mock someone, you mock them.
Why on earth would you expect them to laugh with them?
Meanwhile the UK press and even Prince Charles have all been pretty light on this.
This is very true.
SuperEpicMan
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I dunno whether it has been posted or not but I just listened to the call itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjPPMLlZqo
I know it is terrible what happened to the nurse, but this phone call just seemed like a silly joke, and nothing to condemn the two radio presenters for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjPPMLlZqo
I know it is terrible what happened to the nurse, but this phone call just seemed like a silly joke, and nothing to condemn the two radio presenters for.
How did it not happen as I described? They did impersonate family members of a patient and the degree of how convincing it was to you is irrelevant to the intention.
Self evident is a label commonly abused by those with a narrow perspective. I dislike Monarchies anywhere, I think it's a backwards tradition that doesn't belong in a modern society and should be phased out but I realize many people disagree with that assessment, plenty of them outright worship royalty. I can call that stupid all day long but it doesn't change the fact that some people do, then how can we be the judge of deciding how self evident it was. For all we know they could have been expecting or hoping to receive such a call, an eager mind is easily deceived, maybe for a couple hours she thought speaking to the queen was one of the best things ever, then she fell off that cliff into ridicule.
Just listen to the introduction of the prank call, it starts of with rationalizations from it's just for fun (at the cost of who exactly) to everyone is doing it (sounds like they are unconsciously aware they are on thin ice).
I'm not going to say they should be held accountable for contributing to a suicide but prank calling hospitals as said previously is simply not done and given their history with tasteless decisions (the lie detector shit in particular) I wouldn't mind there being legal consequences attached to deceiving hospital staff.
zomgbbqftw
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Sydney Morning Herald and good article do not fit in the same sentence together.
Not only SMH, but Peter Fitzsimons. Utter wanker.
SniperHunter
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yea theres probably more to the story, I just listened to the radio call, it seems the nurse forwarded the call too quickly without looking at the caller ID...
fizzelopeguss
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I wonder what her bosses said to her, i can only imagine the bollocking she got.
It wouldn't have been just the prank call. No one kills them self over passing on a call.
KamikazeTY
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Do we not have a nurse / doctor from the UK on this forum at all? It makes no sense at all that there wouldn't bet some sort of procedure for verifying an identity. Do privacy practices exist there? The US has HIPAA...
SniperHunter
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that would normally be the receptionists job, but in this case the nurse was filling in since it was 5:30 AM....
We have things like the Data Protection Act but the nurse who answered the call was either untrained or simply made a mistake. It really wasn't a big deal until she killed herself.
i_am_ben
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This thread is diamond.
I tend to agree, but he's speaking the truth in that article.
I said it before and I'll say it again, where were all these utterly outraged people calling for the DJ's heads before this terrible tragedy?
Most people were willing to let the whole thing slide until this latest development.
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