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Victim of prank call to Kate Middleton hospital found dead in suspected suicide

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My mother is a nurse, she started on about 18k a year
Yeah, it's pretty much shit

areyou kidding me? do nurses go through a BA or BSc in the UK to become RNs or is she a diploma nurse? is she an RN, an LPN, or a nurse assistant? is her salary in pounds or euros (it's still very low even if you're talking about british pounds... 18k = 29k canadian dollars).
 

Stuneseht

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I really would like to know who released the name of this lady?
I think she would have been virtually unknown to anyone had the hospital keep things under wraps. It would have remianed pure speculation as to who transfered the calls over.
 
The hospital said they were helping her deal with the situation so I don't think that would be it.

You could question whether the hospital really did try to help, sounds more like a standard PR statement to me. I can't imagine the "royal" family being too pleased with the hospital regarding this whole situation, and the receptionist probably became the scapegoat. If you think about it, why would they help? Most hospitals/administrations would simply fire her.
 

TheContact

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Just read about this just now. Very very sad news =( I feel so bad for her. I wish someone could have helped her, I wonder if the media and other people tried to ruin her life for what she did. =( =(
 
This, who keeps up with crap like this or cares? Sad this nurse died, but call me uninformed because I don't keep up on stuff like this.

Why on earth are you even in this thread then? Fucking read the OP, and keep it moving if you don't keep up with things like this

Holy shit.

Without knowing what the reprecussions were for this for the nurse - and there could be many for disclosing private medical information about anybody, much less a Royal in a Royal Hospital - I think we should hold off on assuming too much about her mental state or whatever.

Basically this

People are way too quick to judge. I know people who have committed suicide on "trivial" things who have no underlying mental health issues. Pressure builds and amounts to different people in all sorts of manners.

So lets leave this bullshit Dr Frasier Crane psych analysis until we got more information. Out of decency
 
Why on earth are you even in this thread then? Fucking read the OP, and keep it moving if you don't keep up with things like this



Basically this

People are way too quick to judge. I know people who have committed suicide on "trivial" things who have no underlying mental health issues. Pressure builds and amounts to different people in all sorts of manners.

So lets leave this bullshit Dr Frasier Crane psych analysis until we got more information. Out of decency

Please don't take this the wrong way but I'm simply curious: Wouldn't committing suicide over something "trivial" sorta denote that someone had some very serious underlying mental health issues?

With that said I wasn't speculating either way. I think those radio guys that did the prank are gonna be up shits creek without a paddle...
 
Why on earth are you even in this thread then? Fucking read the OP, and keep it moving if you don't keep up with things like this



Basically this

People are way too quick to judge. I know people who have committed suicide on "trivial" things who have no underlying mental health issues. Pressure builds and amounts to different people in all sorts of manners.

So lets leave this bullshit Dr Frasier Crane psych analysis until we got more information. Out of decency
I have a hard time accepting that. Most likely, they concealed these health issues or you simply were not aware of them. Unless you're a member of a culture that accepts or promotes suicide as a normal occurence, it would very much surprise me if your acquaintances killed themselves for 'trivial' things without underlying mental health disorders.
 

Zaph

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areyou kidding me? do nurses go through a BA or BSc in the UK to become RNs or is she a diploma nurse? is she an RN, an LPN, or a nurse assistant? is her salary in pounds or euros (it's still very low even if you're talking about british pounds... 18k = 29k canadian dollars).
RN's (either via diploma or degree) start at ~£21k-£27k and can go up to ~£40k depending on specialisation.

Yes, considering the work they do, it's ridiculously low and currently the NHS is losing a lot of nurses to private practises and overseas employment.
 
RN's (either via diploma or degree) start at ~£21k-£27k and can go up to ~£40k depending on specialisation.

Yes, considering the work they do, it's ridiculously low and currently the NHS is losing a lot of nurses to private practises and overseas employment.
hm, that's not great but not as bad as £18k flat.

there are no diploma nurses in Canada nowadays (except Quebec), and nurses are unionized. some provinces are very generous in compensating nurses. many of the western provinces start nurses around 70k per year. I think moving away from diploma nurses along with strong unions are why nurses are more fairly compensated in Canada nowadays. it disappoints me to hear that nruses in the UK of all places aren't adequately compensated... it's a stressful, demanding, dangerous, and extremely important job. investing money in nurses is really cost effective when it comes to improving patient outcomes and health in the general population.
 
I have a hard time accepting that. Most likely, they concealed these health issues or you simply were not aware of them. Unless you're a member of a culture that accepts or promotes suicide as a normal occurence, it would very much surprise me if your acquaintances killed themselves for 'trivial' things without underlying mental health disorders.

I've known a number of university students commit suicide because of bad grades. Granted they were Chinese, people known for holding their children to ridiculously high standards. Still, these were perfectly sane and functioning human beings who just couldn't handle pressure and stress. Some people can, some people don't..and I have to imagine that when you're dealing with career death (what hospital is going to hire you when you're infamous for something that goes against hospital protocols) the pressure is much higher.
 
Please don't take this the wrong way but I'm simply curious: Wouldn't committing suicide over something "trivial" sorta denote that someone had some very serious underlying mental health issues?

With that said I wasn't speculating either way. I think those radio guys that did the prank are gonna be up shits creek without a paddle...

I have a hard time accepting that. Most likely, they concealed these health issues or you simply were not aware of them. Unless you're a member of a culture that accepts or promotes suicide as a normal occurence, it would very much surprise me if your acquaintances killed themselves for 'trivial' things without underlying mental health disorders.

No.

I'm not really in the mood to give examples to be perfectly honest. But if someone in my own family can be deemed as perfectly OK and still take their life- I'm willing to bet that not everyone who takes their life is a straight jacket looney.

I think a large amount of us have had "those" tendencies with the thought of "ending it all"- but to say we all have underlying mental issues is pretty much a blanketed statement. That's my belief anyway.

This woman would me scarred for life, especially since it's a huge fuck up that was in our media, and maybe she just didn't want to continue. Maybe she had financial issues, marriage issues, etc. But who knows. To be honest I think I'll leave it there- this is not the best place to discuss mental issues anyway

All I wish is that the full truth, one way or the other, comes out. This isn't the place to be judging this poor woman
 

Cloudy

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Ugh. That's why you have to be careful who you prank. So many people have fragile mental states. Did she say anything really embarrassing on the call?
 

caramac

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Guessing the station is gauging whether this will blow over or not. If it doesn't look like the story is going away, they'll probably be fired.

The hosts have also both deleted their verified Twitter accounts.

I doubt very much this will blow over.
 

Cloudy

Banned
Guessing the station is gauging whether this will blow over or not. If it doesn't look like the story is going away, they'll probably be fired.

The hosts have also both deleted their verified Twitter accounts.

Why would they be fired now and not right after the call if it was so bad?
 
That radio station is really OTT, I listened to their lie detector prank that backfired and it's just a train wreck. Asking a 14 year old girl if she's had sex, her saying she was raped when she was 12 and then the host casually asking her if that's the only sex she's had.

The Kate prank was super tame in comparison.
 

DarkKyo

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Is Kate Middleton seen as a god or something in the UK for a person to commit suicide at the announcement of her death?

From what I understand she is highly revered there, and a joke to most of the rest of the world(as British royalty in general is).
 
That radio station is really OTT, I listened to their lie detector prank that backfired and it's just a train wreck. Asking a 14 year old girl if she's had sex, her saying she was raped when she was 12 and then the host casually asking her if that's the only sex she's had.

The Kate prank was super tame in comparison.

Didn't she commit suicide as well?
 
No.

I'm not really in the mood to give examples to be perfectly honest. But if someone in my own family can be deemed as perfectly OK and still take their life- I'm willing to bet that not everyone who takes their life is a straight jacket looney.

I'm sorry but if you go through with suicide over a trivial thing, I'm pretty sure there is some sort of mental illness there. Not everyone with mental illness is, in your words, a 'straight jacket looney'.
I'm confused as to why you think people are judging her for having a mental illness (if she does). You're acting as if anyone who considers she may have been mentally ill in someway are insulting her. If anything, I'd feel more sympathetic towards her if she did have some form of mental illness.

Not everyone who has a mental illness is completely insane.
 

Carlisle

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That radio station is really OTT, I listened to their lie detector prank that backfired and it's just a train wreck. Asking a 14 year old girl if she's had sex, her saying she was raped when she was 12 and then the host casually asking her if that's the only sex she's had.

The Kate prank was super tame in comparison.

Jesus, I remember that. These are the same assholes? You'd think they'd have learned something by now.
 
That radio station is really OTT, I listened to their lie detector prank that backfired and it's just a train wreck. Asking a 14 year old girl if she's had sex, her saying she was raped when she was 12 and then the host casually asking her if that's the only sex she's had.

The Kate prank was super tame in comparison.
I was reading about the 14 year old girl today. Apparently they are already on two five year license probations? These djs are really just assholes. Poor woman :(
 
My mother is a nurse, she started on about 18k a year
Yeah, it's pretty much shit

My wife is a Nurse as well. For what they do, the wages are absolutely pathetic. I always tell her it's so unfair. I'm in IT and have approximately 40% fucking Nerf gun fights and lazy days/boring meetings and earn a load more than her. Sure my job has its moments of terror, and long periods of hard work on occasion, but compared to what a Nurse does day in and day out? No way it can compare.

She has what is one of the most important jobs in the world and they don't get what they're worth.

That and the constant BBC & Tabloid NHS bashing... Sometimes I don't know why she does it.
That's probably why I wouldn't make a good one.

That the gap in respect and wages between Doctors and Nurses in the UK is so disparate still frankly amazes me.

This is a terribly sad story, especially over something so trivial and when she didn't even discuss medical details as well. Awful, awful waste.

OpinionatedCyborg said:
many of the western provinces start nurses around 70k per year
BRB, looking into moving family to Canada.
 
I've known a number of university students commit suicide because of bad grades. Granted they were Chinese, people known for holding their children to ridiculously high standards. Still, these were perfectly sane and functioning human beings who just couldn't handle pressure and stress. Some people can, some people don't..and I have to imagine that when you're dealing with career death (what hospital is going to hire you when you're infamous for something that goes against hospital protocols) the pressure is much higher.
They aren't a functional humans if they can't handle a normal amount of stress (or if their thought processes and beliefs fuel their anxiety and stress). I am not calling them "insane," but you don't need to be completely detached from reality to have mental health problems.

No.

I'm not really in the mood to give examples to be perfectly honest. But if someone in my own family can be deemed as perfectly OK and still take their life- I'm willing to bet that not everyone who takes their life is a straight jacket looney.

I think a large amount of us have had "those" tendencies with the thought of "ending it all"- but to say we all have underlying mental issues is pretty much a blanketed statement. That's my belief anyway.

This woman would me scarred for life, especially since it's a huge fuck up that was in our media, and maybe she just didn't want to continue. Maybe she had financial issues, marriage issues, etc. But who knows. To be honest I think I'll leave it there- this is not the best place to discuss mental issues anyway

All I wish is that the full truth, one way or the other, comes out. This isn't the place to be judging this poor woman
You don't need to be schizophrenic or manic or be "crazy" to have a mental illness. A lot of mental health disorders aren't readily apparent, even if you know a person very well. I am not calling this woman or anyone else who commits suicide a "looney," but I am saying a person who commits suicide over something a healthy person would regard as "trivial" (as you mentioend) does have a mental illness. Even in non-trivial situations, suicide is usually a result of mental illness (excepting certain cultures or circumstances such as advanced disease and unmanagable chronic pain).

Mecha_infantry, it's not normal to regular consider killing yourself and it's not normal to make plans based on those impulses. If you have those thoughts regularly, I would encourage you to speak with someone about it.

Lastly, just because a doctor tells you that you are "OK" does not mean that you are. If your friends or family who committed suicide had spoken to psychiatrists or family doctors and were deemed OK, it may be that the doctors failed them (or simply did not recognize they were a threat to commit suicide). I can't remember the statistic, but a large number of people who kill themselves visit their family doctors just a few weeks before they kill themselves.
 
From what I understand she is highly revered there, and a joke to most of the rest of the world(as British royalty in general is).

uh no... I doubt she's considered a "joke" in many places at all... though we expect that sort of thing from the US where they generally have zero respect for anyone or anything, including themselves, unless you've been on American Idol or a porn video...
 
They prank called about Kate's morning sickness. It wasn't a life or death situation.

If personal medical information was disclosed to somebody that shouldn't have access to it- no matter how trivial- it could be deep shit for the people that disclosed it.

Doesn't seem like this nurse was the one that disclosed that info, but its an asshole thing to do to try and prank call any medical professional or emergency personnel. Those people probably had to work their ass off to get their job/education and have licenses on the line they could maybe lose by screwing up at the cost of some idiot prank call.
 

Grim1ock

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Those wanker djs should be fired and radio station should be lawsuited to the moon and back. You dont prank call hospitals and emergency services.
 
uh no... I doubt she's considered a "joke" in many places at all... though we expect that sort of thing from the US where they generally have zero respect for anyone or anything, including themselves, unless you've been on American Idol or a porn video...
What the fuck is happening in this thread?


The little girl who was raped was apparently asked the questions by her mother (who already knew about the sexual assault), and it happend with two other hosts at the same station.
 

caramac

Member
In a statement the radio station and its owner, Southern Cross Austereo (SCA), said they were deeply saddened by Saldanha's death "and we extend our deepest sympathies to her family and all that have been affected by this situation around the world".

"Chief executive officer Rhys Holleran has spoken with the presenters. They are both deeply shocked and at this time we have agreed that they not comment about the circumstances. SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy."

The Twitter accounts of Greig and Christian have been taken down since the news of Saldanha's death broke. Earlier they had replayed extended clips of the prank call. Twitter users have called for the pair to lose their jobs, they have been subjected to abuse and Greig has received what appear to be threats on the social networking site.

The radio station is reportedly already serving two five-year licence probations after serious breaches of the regulator's code
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axisofweevils

Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Wow. Really surprised at this.
The whole thing was considered light-hearted by most of the media.
Some people here are way too obsessed with Kate Middleton and the Royals. Sad it resulted in a death.
 

Willy Wanka

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For the life of me I can't understand why anyone with an ounce of sense would think it's ok to prank call a hospital. They have far more important things to do with their time than deal with that kind of bullshit. It's a criminal offence to hoax call the fire brigade or ambulance services so why should this be seen any differently?

Having said that, the whole thing is very sad and there could have been any number of factors that contributed to the nurse's decision to take her own life.
 

akira28

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I'm going to guess that they cut her hours or laid her off, or she lost a promotion or something. Something had to happen that stressed and hurt her so much that she killed herself. And no I don't think embarassment is nearly enough. I'm curious of how the Hospital reacted. I think they tried some punitive response, and now they're talking about how much they supported her through the unfortunate prank.

Honestly, do you see them being understanding or angry and annoyed at THEIR embarrassment, and the taking it out on their nurse?
 

kyoya

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This whole thing reminds me of the stunt Kevin & Bean pulled on KROQ (which people took as real and even made it as far as the TV show Unsolved Mysteries):

Kevin and Bean debuted on KROQ on December 31, 1989, when they hosted the annual countdown of the year's best songs. On June 13, 1990, the show aired a segment called "Confess Your Crime", which included a bogus phone call from fellow DJ Doug "The Slug" Roberts (who was then working at KZZP) as an anonymous listener claiming to have committed murder. The parents of a missing woman believed the fictional caller to be responsible for their daughter's death leading to an investigation by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and coverage in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries. When the truth was revealed, the station was billed for the costs of the investigation by the LASD,[16] and sued by the distraught parents. KROQ suspended Kevin and Bean for five days without pay, directed each of them to perform 149 hours of community service, and forced them to pay the Sheriff’s bill out of their pockets. The event also became the inspiration behind the 1996 movie Power 98 starring Eric Roberts.

Source: Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_and_Bean#History

When Unsolved Mysteries found out they'd been lied to they were PISSED. I remember they aired an update segment with Robert Stack calling them both outright liars, and ending the segment saying the FCC would take no action against Kevin & Bean as well as KROQ.
 
I'm going to guess that they cut her hours or laid her off, or she lost a promotion or something. Something had to happen that stressed and hurt her so much that she killed herself. And no I don't think embarassment is nearly enough. I'm curious of how the Hospital reacted. I think they tried some punitive response, and now they're talking about how much they supported her through the unfortunate prank.

Honestly, do you see them being understanding or angry and annoyed at THEIR embarrassment, and the taking it out on their nurse?

The latter, which is pretty much standard procedure in any administrator. Heads must roll, someone has to take the blame.
 

Dingotech

Member
Absolutely terrible that the woman decided to end her life over this situation.

Blaming the DJ's to the extent that I'm reading in some people's reactions is absolutely mind boggling...
It was just a prank call, radio stations here in Australia run one every single morning! Has the whole world gone PC?
Seriously we are going to get to the point where you can't do or say anything without it being turned into the biggest issue under the sun....

If you want somebody to blame then take a look at the UK media, they are a bunch of idiots.
 
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