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Lightning Returns trailer

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Skilletor

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Mario007 said:
It's not really. XIII-2 actually used a similar concept when it came to gameplay as the original, the story directly followed the original.

With LR, you have a story set hundreds of years later, with a gameplay unlike the previous two installments. There's a lot of differences.
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But...it's a sequel to the events of FF13-2.

It's hundreds of years after the game that came before it. A sequel doesn't need to directly follow the original to be a sequel.
 
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Midou

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Skilletor said:
But...it's a sequel to the events of FF13-2.

It's hundreds of years after the game that came before it. A sequel doesn't need to directly follow the original to be a sequel.
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They were probably aiming for people not thinking "FFXIII-3? God Dammit, how many of these are they going to make!?".
 
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Lebron

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That looks all kinds of terrible. I'm not even surprised with SE at this point, they're spamming this mess out like Madden. I understand the direction they're trying to go in, but they lack the actual talent to be able to pull it off.


Oh well, the OST should at least be good.
 
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BigBadShamoo

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sublimit said:
I didn't played it.All the reports of the awful control system put me off.
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Sometimes reading about something instills it in your head before you actually even play it. I forgot what game this happened to me with, but then I saw a trailer or something and it completely blew my mind of what i originally "heard" and thought of the game. I can't think of the game right now but I know it'll come to me in a few.

EDIT:
It was the newest King Of Fighters, 13 I think. Watching people play it during the last evo or an event similiar to evo that just recently passed completely changed my view on that game.
 
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MiniBossBattle

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Feel like the environments could have used some more polys to break up the profiles and more diverse color palette. Will hold reservation until I see more.
 
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Coxy

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MagiusNecros said:
There's Blood of Bahamut, Bahamut Lagoon, XIII series, X-2, Front Mission Evolved, Mindjack, Parasite Eve's 3rd twisted game, Dissidia character bastardization, etc.

I can go on and on really.
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dont forget he was pretty much the one who thought Unlimited SaGa was a great idea too.
 
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MechaX

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sublimit said:
I didn't played it.All the reports of the awful control system put me off.
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The control scheme was pretty awkward because it seemed like the team tried to make the game for the Dual Shock without realizing (or accepting) the fact that it would be played on a PSP with its limited buttons and lack of second analog. The end result ends up being a lot more messy then it should have been.

Now the story... Hoo boy. The story pretty much solidified my belief that Toriyama is a hack when it comes to writing a story. Front Mission Evolved and Mindjack were just supplementary instruments. His capability as a director notwithstanding (XIII's cycle was horrendous, but XIII-2's cycle was fairly decent), his involvement in games wouldn't be so much of an issue if Wada still didn't put him in charge of... well, writing stories.

BigBadShamoo said:
EDIT:
It was the newest King Of Fighters, 13 I think. Watching people play it during the last evo or an event similiar to evo that just recently passed completely changed my view on that game.
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For better or for worse, I personally thought KoF XIII's showing in the past EVO was the best showing any KoF game has had for almost a decade.

Coxy said:
dont forget he was pretty much the one who thought Unlimited SaGa was a great idea too.
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Coxy. Explain.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
After re-watching the trailer a couple of times, I still can not fathom how excited I am for this. When this game got announced, I was kind of skeptic (hyped, but skeptic) but after watching this trailer, I'm positive that it'll be a great experience. Now honestly, I don't expect much of the story but I've got HUGE expectations when it comes to the gameplay and music. Since I'm LttP, all "details/questions" has probably already been answered but here are some of the things that caught my interest/created a question:

Note:
- Lightning going down the pole = Yoshi drooling
- The super distinguished red ladders made me go "Come on Square!" :lol
- Chocobolina :D!!!


Questions
- I thought we could move freely during combat? To me, it looks identical to FFXIII-2 (stuck in place)
- Real time day/night-cycles?
- I'm trying out to figure out what the two following things are? One of them is the class you have enabled, right? Do we know how many classes are in this game? The other one has something to do with stagger-point, I take it?

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- Stacking debuffs because of the lack of second playable character?

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Overall: fantastic trailer. Sweet mother of God, I can not wait to see some of the other environments like the desert-area!
 
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AuthenticM

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If this game bombs or gets a low score on Metacritic, is it even possible for Toriyama and Kitase to get fired or demoted to some position where they couldn't harm the Final Fantasy brand any longer ? Please tell me yes. I want to believe that the franchise we've grown up loving is still salvageable.
 
MagiusNecros

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
AuthenticM said:
If this game bombs or gets a low score on Metacritic, is it even possible for Toriyama and Kitase to get fired or demoted to some position where they couldn't harm the Final Fantasy brand any longer ? Please tell me yes. I want to believe that the franchise we've grown up loving is still salvageable.
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Not with Japan's lifetime job security.

:/
 
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Skilletor

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MagiusNecros said:
Baiten Kaitos 2 took place before the original so...
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And Metal Gear Solid 3 took place before 2. I don't get your point.

Mine is that a sequel doesn't need to take place immediately after its predecessor to be a sequel. There is no limit on time that makes it not a sequel.

Yours is apparently pointing at a number to refute a point I never made?
 
MagiusNecros

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Skilletor said:
And Metal Gear Solid 3 took place before 2. I don't get your point.

Mine is that a sequel doesn't need to take place immediately after its predecessor to be a sequel. There is no limit on time that makes it not a sequel.

Yours is apparently pointing at a number to refute a point I never made?
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No. I just quoted you to support your claim.

Mario is the one being foolish.

Sorry for the confusion.

massoluk said:
Is she wearing anything under that armor??
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Probably not
 
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LuuKyK

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Yoshichan said:
After re-watching the trailer a couple of times, I still can not fathom how excited I am for this. When this game got announced, I was kind of skeptic (hyped, but skeptic) but after watching this trailer, I'm positive that it'll be a great experience. Now honestly, I don't expect much of the story but I've got HUGE expectations when it comes to the gameplay and music. Since I'm LttP, all "details/questions" has probably already been answered but here are some of the things that caught my interest/created a question:

Note:
- Lightning going down the pole = Yoshi drooling
- The super distinguished red ladders made me go "Come on Square!" :lol
- Chocobolina :D!!!


Questions
- I thought we could move freely during combat? To me, it looks identical to FFXIII-2 (stuck in place)
- Real time day/night-cycles?
- I'm trying out to figure out what the two following things are? One of them is the class you have enabled, right? Do we know how many classes are in this game? The other one has something to do with stagger-point, I take it?

RGuPj.png


- Stacking debuffs because of the lack of second playable character?

SZS9A.png




Overall: fantastic trailer. Sweet mother of God, I can not wait to see some of the other environments like the desert-area!
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Oh you noted some things I wasn't able to in the first place. Thanks for that Yoshi! :D

Will be added to my summary.
 
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Coxy

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MagiusNecros said:
WAT
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MechaX said:
Coxy. Explain.
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Toriyama was the one responsible for the concept and planning of Unlimited SaGa which is why it's barely passable as an actual game, he ditched it after a couple of months when Kitase pretty much rescued him from the mess he'd created and left the rest of the team to take the blame for the project. Kitase has for some reason been protecting Toriyama for a LONG time.
 
MagiusNecros

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
AuthenticM said:
How does that work, exactly ? I don't want to think that it prevents employers from giving the boot to bad employees; that would be crazy.
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Let's put it this way. It's part of why Inafune left Capcom. The whole get the same paycheck every week even if you suck at your job.

It's kinda like diplomatic immunity in a way.

Of course it could be the whole "this guy sucks ass but we don't have a replacement" kind of deal.

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And Unlimited saga? Kitase being a shield. WTF
 
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Cheska

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The trailer certainly wasn't the best but I'm still going in open minded about the game. Both FFXIII and FFXIII-2 were very fun in terms of gameplay, and I know I'm in the minority for loving Lightning, so a game centered around her doesn't bother me. I hope that there are other, more artistic areas in the game because there's no doubt that town looked bland as hell. I remember playing the XIII-2 demo at E3 and being disappointed by how dead one of the locations was but then being pleasantly surprised by some of the colorful and popping cities. Honestly though, I would reserve judgement on this before calling it out to be bad. I mean, SE did change some things in XIII-2 according to what fans had issues with in it's predecessor...
 
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Kagari

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Coxy said:
Toriyama was the one responsible for the concept and planning of Unlimited SaGa which is why it's barely passable as an actual game, he ditched it after a couple of months when Kitase pretty much rescued him from the mess he'd created and left the rest of the team to take the blame for the project. Kitase has for some reason been protecting Toriyama for a LONG time.
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It's because he was so impressed with his work on FFX, which was one of the most successful FF games after VII. Kitase needs to realize though that Toriyama shouldn't be left alone to his own devices.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
LuuKyK said:
Oh you noted some things I wasn't able to in the first place. Thanks for that Yoshi! :D

Will be added to my summary.
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Awesome!

I love the fact that you're as (if not even more?!) excited than I am :3!
massoluk said:
Is she wearing anything under that armor??
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I hope not!
 
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Meccanical

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Coxy said:
Toriyama was the one responsible for the concept and planning of Unlimited SaGa which is why it's barely passable as an actual game, he ditched it after a couple of months when Kitase pretty much rescued him from the mess he'd created and left the rest of the team to take the blame for the project. Kitase has for some reason been protecting Toriyama for a LONG time.
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Broder Salsa

Banned
Holy fuck, this looks awful. I thought FF13 was a pretty game, how did they manage to make this so ugly? The environment was just embarrassing at places.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
A friend just told me that there will be over 30 costumes for Lightning, please tell me this is true (and that they're not DLC-bullshit)?!

edit: If it's true, when did they announce this?
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Kagari said:
More like 20, and there will probably be DLC ones as well.
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Do we know if the one we saw in this trailer is the "official" one? As in the one that'll be on the front cover (if Lightning will be on it, that is), etc?
 
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Mario007

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Skilletor said:
But...it's a sequel to the events of FF13-2.

It's hundreds of years after the game that came before it. A sequel doesn't need to directly follow the original to be a sequel.
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Well I'm more concern about the change in gameplay and world. That's why it seems to me to be more of a spin-off.
 
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Kagari

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Yoshichan said:
Do we know if the one we saw in this trailer is the "official" one? As in the one that'll be on the front cover (if Lightning will be on it, that is), etc?
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Yes... they went as far as rendering it in CG so it'll probably be the main thing she's promoted in for the entire game.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Kagari said:
Yes... they went as far as rendering it in CG so it'll probably be the main thing she's promoted in for the entire game.
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Fair enough!
 
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