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[TheOddOne]

Hey Aegies, is this what you were talking about regarding games?

Game Design Director

Microsoft Studios is looking for a talented, motivated, and experienced Design Director (also called Creative Director in many companies) with proven creative and leadership ability to work with external developers on Microsoft’s core titles (including shooters, RPGs, action/adventure, etc.). The Design Director’s mission is to support our experienced development partner’s creative vision and to ensure that the product’s ultimate quality is “first-party” -a wonderful experience only possible via the partnership between Microsoft and the developer. The Design Director has access and influence on platform hardware (e.g. consoles, peripherals, etc.) and system shell & back-end technology unlike anywhere else in the industry, and it’s the creative use of these tools that enable partners to create their best games ever.

External developers that come to mind: Epic (Gears of War, shooter), Remedy (Alan Wake, Action/Adventure) and Crytek (Ryse, RPG?).

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Hey Aegies, is this what you were talking about regarding games?

Game Design Director

External developers that come to mind: Epic (Gears of War, shooter), Remedy (Alan Wake, Action/Adventure) and Crytek (Ryse, RPG?).

Was CD Projekt RED's publisher for Cyberpunk 2077 revealed yet?

 

[TheOddOne]

Was CD Projekt RED's publisher for Cyberpunk 2077 revealed yet?

I thought they were self publishing it? Witcher 3 was going to be published by somebody else though. That is all I remember.

 

[infinityBCRT]

It would play into some kind of idea of a platform that is open-ended. I don't know. There are lots of ways to market it as a name, and it segues nicely from Windows 8, the kernel of which is most assuredly powering Durango.

I think doing the 5-8 years between hardware upgrades doesn't make sense anymore in a world where we're getting new iPads and iPhones every year, and sometimes 2 a year. Their ecosystem doesn't suffer the generational growing pains nor do they give time for excitement for the hardware to die down.

Which is why I hope MS decides to move to a similar model and releases a new box every 2 years. Maybe they give a guarantee that any Xbox released in the last 4-5 years is guaranteed to run any games at a good performance level but the latest hardware will always offer the latest and greatest. This would also make sense because we're just on the cusp of the move to 4k and other devices will surpass the Xbox/PS4 hardware that launches this year in terms of handling 4k content.

 

[dragonelite]

I think doing the 5-8 years between hardware upgrades doesn't make sense anymore in a world where we're getting new iPads and iPhones every year, and sometimes 2 a year. Their ecosystem doesn't suffer the generational growing pains nor do they give time for excitement for the hardware to die down.

Which is why I hope MS decides to move to a similar model and releases a new box every 2 years. Maybe they give a guarantee that any Xbox released in the last 4-5 years is guaranteed to run any games at a good performance level but the latest hardware will always offer the latest and greatest. This would also make sense because we're just on the cusp of the move to 4k and other devices will surpass the Xbox/PS4 hardware that launches this year in terms of handling 4k content.

uuh think about the game developers.
Iphone and android app can be made really fast and are in general less impressive then console games.

 

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

If it's an 8GB system, I hope MS reserves at least 2-3GB for the OS. The responsiveness and potential 'instant' features will be awesome.

What a waste. I hope not.

 

[infinityBCRT]

uuh think about the game developers.
Iphone and android app can be made really fast and are in general less impressive then console games.

They pretty much already do this when porting games to PC. Up the resolution, increase the texture/shadow/hud/lod quality, etc. I'm not saying they would be re-writing a whole shader pipleline. And increasing the hardware specs wouldn't just benefit games but all of the services/dashboard stuff as well.

 

[amardilo]

As far as I know, the PS3 already supports 7.1 (probably because of Blu-ray etc.), so I guess both next gen consoles will support this too. And I believe 7.2 depends on your receiver, there are probably no dedicated 7.2 audio tracks (with different low frequency channels) on films/games, the receiver just uses both subwoofers for the low frequency part. I guess both consoles will be able to technically support Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio (maybe not decoding but forwarding to a receiver), but it probably depends on the game developer to include support for this in their games.

Yep playing the Uncharted games in 7.1 was really immersive. Also some Blu-ray films sound amazing with that setup.

I hope Microsoft follows suit and doesn't think 5.1 is enough. Hopefully if the next console has a Blu-ray drive it will at least playback Blu-ray movies in 7.1 with newer audio codecs.

 

[dragonelite]

They pretty much already do this when porting games to PC. Up the resolution, increase the texture/shadow/hud/lod quality, etc. I'm not saying they would be re-writing a whole shader pipleline. And increasing the hardware specs wouldn't just benefit games but all of the services/dashboard stuff as well.

And you see that pc gaming hasn't really evolved that well because you need to make the game and tech for the lowest specced machine.

 

[Mascot]

Right. I believe you after reading it, lol.

Actually, I don't know what to believe ;_;

I just believe everything I read. Keeps it simple that way.

 

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

If the new playstation has indeed 1,8 TF, i will say bye bye to the xbox brand and MS. I don`t buy the "Durango`s 1,2 TF are so special and the special juice will let it perform like a 3TF machine" fairy tale.

And we all know aegies is a pro MS guy (nothing wrong with that) and he already is on the "TF aren`t telling the whole story" train, so i really start to believe that the playstation 4 is going to be the better gaming machine.

 

[gaming_noob]

If the new playstation has indeed 1,8 TF, i will say bye bye to the xbox brand and MS. I don`t buy the "Durango`s 1,2 TF are so special and the special juice will let it perform like a 3TF machine" fairy tale.

And we all know aegies is a pro MS guy (nothing wrong with that) and he already is on the "TF aren`t telling the whole story" train, so i really start to believe that the playstation 4 will be the better gaming machine.

You've been saying that almost in every tech speculation thread....lol seriously brah. Buy both and you'll be stress free.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Everything is still rumours. People seem to forget that. Nothing has been announced as of yet.

 

[Proelite]

If the new playstation has indeed 1,8 TF, i will say bye bye to the xbox brand and MS. I don`t buy the "Durango`s 1,2 TF are so special and the special juice will let it perform like a 3TF machine" fairy tale.

And we all know aegies is a pro MS guy (nothing wrong with that) and he already is on the "TF aren`t telling the whole story" train, so i really start to believe that the playstation 4 will be the better gaming machine.

But you're fine with Orbis having 1/2 of the ram? The systems are very different with the exception of the cpu, where they're most similar.

 

[derFeef]

If the new playstation has indeed 1,8 TF, i will say bye bye to the xbox brand and MS. I don`t buy the "Durango`s 1,2 TF are so special and the special juice will let it perform like a 3TF machine" fairy tale.

And we all know aegies is a pro MS guy (nothing wrong with that) and he already is on the "TF aren`t telling the whole story" train, so i really start to believe that the playstation 4 will be the better gaming machine.

Didn't you say this often now? Just go ahead, no one is forcing you to buy two boxes
And rumors are still rumors, closest we get is a dev saying both are fairly equal with different advantages to each of them. To me the important part is the games, as I will get both again for sure.

 

[jaypah]

Everything is still rumours. People seem to forget that. Nothing has been announced as of yet.

nah bruh, you must decide TODAY! It's one or the other, pick a side. I mean, sure it's only based on rumors and we have no idea about the most important aspect (the actual games) but that's enough to go apeshit and declare one side dead to you. Then you get to spend the rest of the Gen furiously defending your purchase. You can consider that part free DLC. It's a game within a game!

 

[omonimo]

But you're fine with Orbis having 1/2 of the ram? The systems are very different with the exception of the cpu, where they're most similar.

You use the wrong point. Half RAM with double speed could be even better; a better argue would been the CPU cores; from what I read bandwith & RAM are the last of the problems of the ps4. But I'm quite worried about CPU, we haven't heard almost anything a part Quadcore AMD, isn't AI & physics equally importat?

 

[Mindlog]

You use the wrong point. Half RAM with double speed could be even better; a better argue would been the CPU cores; from what I read bandwith & RAM are the last of the problems of the ps4. But I'm quite worried about CPU, we haven't heard almost anything a part Quadcore AMD, isn't AI & physics equally importat?

So what you are saying is that one number doesn't tell the whole story.
Interesting.

 

[omonimo]

So what you are saying is that one number doesn't tell the whole story.
Interesting.

8 cores vs 4 cores said me enough.

 

[Proelite]

You use the wrong point. Half RAM with double speed could be even better; a better argue would been the CPU cores; from what I read bandwith & RAM are the last of the problems of the ps4. But I'm quite worried about CPU, we haven't heard almost anything a part Quadcore AMD, isn't AI & physics equally importat?

Half the ram is going to cause issues with ports, and Orbis will not have problems with its CPU. CPU difference will be negligible.

Well hear more about everything soon.

 

[omonimo]

Half the ram is going to cause issues with ports, and Orbis will not have problems with its CPU.

Well hear more about everything soon.

Wat? Half RAM with the double speed is not that different to the double of RAM with half speed. & there is the problems of the bottleneck. I don't know how many GB it could use at half speed of GDDR5 even with ES ram, double of RAM not counts anything.

 

[Can Crusher]

Wat? Half RAM with the double speed is not that different to the double of RAM with half speed. & there is the problems of the bottleneck. I don't know how many GB it could use at half speed of GDDR5 even with ES ram.

So Crytek doesn't know what they are talking about?

 

[omonimo]

So Crytek doesn't know what they are talking about?

Not by much when we talking of close system.

 

[Can Crusher]

Not by much when we talking of close system.

Of course. Stupid of me.

 

[Eideka]

Not by much when we talking of close system.

Who are you to lecture them on tech ?

 

[Proelite]

Wat? Half RAM with the double speed is not that different to the double of RAM with half speed. & there is the problems of the bottleneck. I don't know how many GB it could use at half speed of GDDR5 even with ES ram, double of RAM not counts anything.

Look through my post history. I've been right recently on stuff than not, at least more up to date.

None of the stuff is my own conclusion.

Well hear more about this soon.

 

[Angelus Errare]

8 cores vs 4 cores said me enough.

Seeing as Steamroller are AMD's high end performance CPU and Jaguar is the successor of Bobcat their LP laptop processor line, I wouldn't be too worried.

 

[Karak]

Hey Aegies, is this what you were talking about regarding games?

Game Design Director

External developers that come to mind: Epic (Gears of War, shooter), Remedy (Alan Wake, Action/Adventure) and Crytek (Ryse, RPG?).

This was something I was talking about a couple weeks ago. I don't know if Aegies and I are discussing the same thing. But you will be seeing more of these. Joint-ventures. Kind of things.

 

[Proelite]

Seeing as Steamroller are AMD's high end performance CPU and Jaguar is the successor of Bobcat their LP laptop processor line, I wouldn't be too worried.

They're both jaguar cores.

Durango and Orbis CPUs would be very similar.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Wat? Half RAM with the double speed is not that different to the double of RAM with half speed. & there is the problems of the bottleneck. I don't know how many GB it could use at half speed of GDDR5 even with ES ram, double of RAM not counts anything.

Do you know eDRAM? Xbox 360 ram is slower than PS3 vram.

 

[pestul]

What a waste. I hope not.

5-6GB dedicated solely to games isn't a lot? Last I checked, you can still get by pretty well in high-end PC gaming with only 4GB running Windows 7/8. I have 12GB because I like to do some graphics/video work.. but still, you certainly don't 'need' more than 6GB for games.

 

[Proelite]

Do you know eDRAM? Xbox 360 ram is slower than PS3 vram.

eSram and eDram isn't what's going to make the ram situation better on Durango, but yes, PS3 had ram bandwith advantage over 360.

Like I said, we'll hear more devs having trouble with lack of ram in Orbis than having trouble with flops (unlikely) / bandwith in Durango. This I am 100% certain on.

 

[jaosobno]

Like I said, we'll hear more devs having trouble with lack of ram in Orbis

Damn, now I'm depressed. NOT AGAIN!!!!

 

[omonimo]

Of course. Stupid of me.

can yo delight me how can DDR3 with 8 GB give trouble to the GDDR5 with 4 gb, please, now I'm curious. & no, ES ram or ED RAM can't help but give more bottleneck.

 

[XtremeXpider]

eSram and eDram isn't what's going to make the ram situation better on Durango, but yes, PS3 had ram bandwith advantage over 360.

Like I said, we'll hear more devs having trouble with lack of ram in Orbis than having trouble with flops (unlikely) / bandwith in Durango. This I am 100% certain on.

But we don't know the details, we know the "8GB DDR3", but it is not enough for predict bottlenecks.

 

[Proelite]

But we don't know the details, we know the "8GB DDR3", but it is not enough for predict bottlenecks.

We'll hear more about this. I am not going to try to explain why since I didn't come to the conclusion on my own.

 

[omonimo]

eSram and eDram isn't what's going to make the ram situation better on Durango, but yes, PS3 had ram bandwith advantage over 360.

Like I said, we'll hear more devs having trouble with lack of ram in Orbis than having trouble with flops (unlikely) / bandwith in Durango. This I am 100% certain on.

This is hilarious, really. A console gives headache just before to be announced its specs. I'm done now.

 

[madmackem]

So Crytek doesn't know what they are talking about?

I remember many using the slow wiiu ram speed to hit it with a stick.

 

[Shikoro]

Like I said, we'll hear more devs having trouble with lack of ram in Orbis than having trouble with flops (unlikely) / bandwith in Durango. This I am 100% certain on.

Yes, because this is a matter of programming efficiently/optimizing memory usage. It's always easier to just put stuff in memory without worrying if it'll be enough than the aforementioned.

 

[pestul]

This is hilarious, really. A console gives headache just before to be announced its specs. I'm done now.

Well, Crytek and 8GB minimum you know.

Proelite, I must commend you on being deliciously cryptic here.

 

[XtremeXpider]

We'll hear more about this. I am not going to try to explain why since I didn't come to the conclusion on my own.

About bottlenecks? or about benefits having more ram?

 

[Insane Metal]

eSram and eDram isn't what's going to make the ram situation better on Durango, but yes, PS3 had ram bandwith advantage over 360.

Like I said, we'll hear more devs having trouble with lack of ram in Orbis than having trouble with flops (unlikely) / bandwith in Durango. This I am 100% certain on.

That's what I've been thinking all this time. Half the RAM will be an issue in multiplat games no matter how fast it is.

Also, RAM problem is basically Sony's trademark when it comes to Hardware :/

 

[omonimo]

Well, Crytek and 8GB minimum you know.

Proelite, I must commend you on being deliciously cryptic here.

Well, Crytek is the queen of generic statement; honestly, I don't know how much counts to have 8 GB at all costs when RAM can keeps the speed. To me specific only 8 GB not has much value, but what RAM we are talking about? Because 8 GB in DDR3 is not like GDDR5. I'll bet Crytek gives GDDR5 how guaranteed on both, knowing them.

 

[Proelite]

Well, Crytek is the queen of generic statement; honestly, I don't know how much counts to have 8 GB at all costs when RAM can keeps the speed. To me specific only 8 GB not has much value, but DDR we are talking about? Because 8 GB in DDR3 is not like GDDR5. I'll bet Crytek gives GDDR5 how guaranteed on both, knowing them.

No way Crytek expected 8GB of GDDR5. They're not that stupid.

Crytek wanted more ram than anything else. Damn the speed.

Epic wanted flops.

 

[FrankT]

More and more convinced we are looking at 6GBs for games with the 360 versus 3GBs for PS4. Boy oh boy if Chinese boy is right, heh.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I'm hoping Sony would not let that happen. They can't afford another generation of multiplatform games having widespread problems on their console.

 

[deanos]

Crytek wanted more ram than anything else. Damn the speed.

then crytek is full of shit.
4GB GDDR5 should be better than 8GB DDR3 for gaming.

 

[Proelite]

then crytek is full of shit.
4GB GDDR5 should be better than 8GB DDR3 for gaming.

Bookmarked.

 

[bobeth]

I think doing the 5-8 years between hardware upgrades doesn't make sense anymore in a world where we're getting new iPads and iPhones every year, and sometimes 2 a year. Their ecosystem doesn't suffer the generational growing pains nor do they give time for excitement for the hardware to die down.

Which is why I hope MS decides to move to a similar model and releases a new box every 2 years. Maybe they give a guarantee that any Xbox released in the last 4-5 years is guaranteed to run any games at a good performance level but the latest hardware will always offer the latest and greatest. This would also make sense because we're just on the cusp of the move to 4k and other devices will surpass the Xbox/PS4 hardware that launches this year in terms of handling 4k content.

Different markets and targets, apple and the rest do the frequent updates to keep their prices up (adult audience with money to spare). The majority of a console userbase is still children, so your priority as a hardware manufacturer is to keep lowering the price of a unit..

 

[gofreak]

I'm hoping Sony would not let that happen. They can't afford another generation of multiplatform games having widespread problems on their console.

Let's see what happens.

I can see developers being roundly unhappy with 2GB.

I don't think they'll be as strongly opinionated about 4.

Now, if a platform holder came along and was making noises about needing 2 or 3 GB of RAM for their OS I can see developers having a stronger opinion about wanting 8GB...

It'd be great if all systems could have 8, but I'm not sure 4 will be too low. It'd be the same relative jump as Xbox -> 360, and some of the (memory-hungry) developers name-checked in these discussions did great things with that growth. I'll never say never about problems on this front but I'm skeptical it'll be the issue that is apparently being suggested by a couple of people here.