amstradcpc
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I only started reading about blitter after the post in B3D about feasible custom hardware for Durango.
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I only started reading about blitter after the post in B3D about feasible custom hardware for Durango.
Gemüsepizza
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As far as I know, the PS3 already supports 7.1 (probably because of Blu-ray etc.), so I guess both next gen consoles will support this too. And I believe 7.2 depends on your receiver, there are probably no dedicated 7.2 audio tracks (with different low frequency channels) on films/games, the receiver just uses both subwoofers for the low frequency part. I guess both consoles will be able to technically support Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio (maybe not decoding but forwarding to a receiver), but it probably depends on the game developer to include support for this in their games.
Brad Grenz
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Games will probably just do uncompressed PCM for 7.1 over HDMI. It doesn't make a lot of sense to compress your real time audio to TrueHD or DTS-HD when any receiver that supports those will also support linear PCM. I think the real question is whether either Durango or Orbis will continue to support optical audio for DD or DTS, or if they'll drop it like Nintendo did for WiiU.
You are expecting teraflops of double precision from consoles? No wonder you have headaches.
lightchris
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Especially since double precision is largely pointless for gaming needs. For a console it'd even be reasonable to cut DP performance if it could hold down costs a little.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Hard to see the wood for the trees with all the trolls coming out of the woodwork.
all planned by sony and ms. Just release dozen different rumors and no one has an idea was is right. Not very hard but super effectiv xD
Agreed.
Samaritan looks like a game, whereas 1313 looks more like a film.
If those visuals are close to what we'll see at launch, count me interested.
shinobi602
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So is this misterx guy some imposter or something?
shinobi602
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Anybody? I was going to post a thread about some stuff but if he's a confirmed know-nothing then I won't.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Post it here first. Quite a lot of people know some stuff that they are backing as fact, so if misterx is bullshitting, it should be pretty plausible.
EDIT: Here's some stuff he said yesterday which makes no shit sense:
"Xbox next... Is like -three computers in one console... The console has 8gig of ram. But 6 gig is ddr4 system ram.. The other 3gig is gddr5. This is not including cach or edram. The system soc is a 8850 spec gpu with 4 core cpu."
None of this is true.
yeah, some of the stuff he posts reads like delusional pipe dreams.
edit: what Shagg said
Well what did he say exactly? I would assume that if you post what he's told you in this thread then those in the know can validate it, if not then you would know.
Looks like VG247 has a new article up- new thread?
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/17/showtime-ps4-rumoured-at-1-84tf-xbox-720-at-1-23tf/
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/17/showtime-ps4-rumoured-at-1-84tf-xbox-720-at-1-23tf/
shinobi602
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What do you guys think of this?
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1769813/nextgen_xbox_720_will_be_more_powerful_than_ps4_report.html
They are just talking about our rumors that circulated here on gaf...
1.23TF durango gpu vs 1.84orbis gpu
"If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 33% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720."
As if only those numbers will determine power of those consoles.... Ccccc....Gemüsepizza
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3 GB RAM reserved for OS and apps. LOL if true.
Edit: And 1 GB of Orbis' 4 GB... not sure if those numbers are believable...
Edit: And 1 GB of Orbis' 4 GB... not sure if those numbers are believable...
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Yep. That's what I was referring to. The original source states:
"Xbox next... Is like -three computers in one console...The console has 8gig of ram. But 6 gig is ddr4 system ram.. The other 3gig is gddr5. This is not including cach or edram. The system soc is a 8850 spec gpu with 4 core cpu."
This is wrong. When this is wrong, everything else should be taken as "rumor" and not fact.
I think this warrants a new thread..
Err....I would advise that you don't start a new thread for this.
Please dont. Nothing new has been said, and some things are just wrong.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I was just going to say this. I could've sworn it was 8800 series, unless 8800 is just an renamed 8770.
I find this interesting:
"PlayStation 4 has been previously rumoured to be built on AMD’s A10 APU, but VG247 has today been told the final machine will include both the APU and a second, discrete GPU." Was this ever confirmed elsewhere?
NemesisPrime
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They are just talking about our rumors that circulated here on gaf...
1.23TF durango gpu vs 1.84orbis gpu
"If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 33% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720."
Lol the TF is the new bits. Good to see "journalists" pretend they have technical knowledge.
Depends on what the OS does. The bigger the OS, the more stuff will be included.
Psychotext
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That would be the first report I've seen saying the PS4 had 8gb of RAM.
BruceWayneIII
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LOL. 6+3 = 8?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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+1 armor. I thought we all know this man!
Too late lol..
iamshadowlark
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Thats......generally what that means.
Brad Grenz
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They are just talking about our rumors that circulated here on gaf...
1.23TF durango gpu vs 1.84orbis gpu
"If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 33% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720."
They're clearly just summarizing the speculation threads here and at B3D. They also fail at math, since it would actually be a 50% computation advantage.
dragonelite
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This and next xbox has some special hardware who knows how much that can free up computation the ps4 gpu has to do in its compute units.
Then we need to know bandwidths between all the difference hardware components.
You need a complete spec sheet to compare the theoretical power each can perform.
Acheteedo
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Do we actually know this or was it people assuming that this is the case due to some of the low-ish speeds/bandwidths?
Oban was the codename for AMD's chip for the nextbox a while ago. Hmm.
dragonelite
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No, but all we know are rumors so yeah.
Interesting, looks like someone shredded some documents, and these people found them, pieced them together and called it an article.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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We don't "actually know" anything about next gen hardware, everything is just rumors and speculation at this point.
Acheteedo
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Sorry I meant to say did it come up as a rumour beyond educated guesswork? Indeed we know nothing solid yet!
Phonomezer
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Two conflicting stories, two websites. One source.
This article makes the next Xbox sound like some kind of epiphany
This article makes the next Xbox sound like some kind of epiphany
Two conflicting stories, two websites. One source.
This article makes the next Xbox sound like some kind of epiphany
Ignore nowgamer. Their source is fanboy that likes to spread shitty information.
Barack Lesnar
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I agree with this. Lherre is legit but he hasn't given out any good info so I basically disregard his posts. The other two are great.
Karak, I honestly think might be a bs'er. Been on the Internet for 20 years and my BS detector has reached god-tier status. I doubt he's legit, just throwing that out there.
Edit- Thuway definitely knows nothing, he's the bgassassin type that reads forum posts at other sites.
Phonomezer
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Right. I believe you after reading it, lol.
Actually, I don't know what to believe ;_;
jeff_rigby
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Charlie at SemiAccurate released that information. Since his article that Oban taped out Dec 2011, we now know the AMD-Microsoft project name is Kryptos and the PS4 project name is Thebes. AMD is using Greek names from Mythology for their GPU family and Console project names.
Oban is not a Greek name, it's either a city in the UK with a Scotch also named Oban from that region or a Large blank Japanese gold coin with bumps. Oban probably describes the interposer that both Kryptos and Thebe will use. Further Kryptos is hidden in Greek and likely Thebe is the custom APU part that contains hardware that both will use. Kryptos besides containing Thebe also has features to support serving Media (DVR & more) to handhelds. In this speculation a second GPU for both is likely either discrete or also on the same transposer sharing the same memory. Microsoft trading a few CUs of die area on the GPU for the extra circuits to support serving Handhelds.
The above is speculation but it explains a number of issues that have been raised since Charlie's first article.
I think both are targeting a console with as low a price as possible < $399 (less than) including depth camera. Both will have Skype and both will have a common standard for gesture controls. For developers and brokered by AMD, both will have APIs that are very similar.
For the Xbox 3 rumors have 12 CUs for the second GPU to the PS4's 16 CUs so Xbox 3 will have total 14 CUs to PS4's 18 CUs.
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