Muchi Muchi Pink
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Can we discuss the games instead now? I want the weapons of the rin sisters ( anarchy reigns) in bayo2.
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Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 to stay as Wii U Exclusives
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I wonder if it's even possible to really compare reactions on a real comparative metric... what do you even judge by? Twitter didn't even exist at the time really, right?
ShockingAlberto
Member
People were mad about RE exclusivity, but A) this was 2000-era Capcom who was famously known for porting everything and B) I don't recall this same level of vitriol. Those who wanted the game but did not want to buy a Gamecube wore their team colors on their sleeve, no one took those kooks seriously.
Now the kooks are in the majority.
Majukun
Member
we already have the nunchuks in bayo.
the double trident could be cool...rin rin's fan is a bit too gimmicky
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I don't know. I'm just asking someone whom I'm assuming was around then
haha. I'm glad you said it not me.
It would be only fair that she'd steal their weapons
after all they stole her stance first.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Right, but that covers the likes of Perfect Dark, Conker, Banjo, and other Rare specific creations. Rare didn't create James Bond, which is why that game was in limbo for so long. Rare made the assets and are credited with developing the game, and Microsoft own Rare. But Activision ended up with the James Bond license, which Goldeneye falls under. And Nintendo owned some rights to the game, as they produced and distributed it.
That's fair. I guess people just feel it is very unlikely. I do anywho. And I think it's frustrating when people use other examples of ports as a justification to believe Bayonetta 2 will be ported.
Like the recent Razor's Edge and Rayman Legends, now the discussion of Resident Evil 4. Nintendo's involvement in Bayonetta 2 is so far removed from those games the comparison does not do justice to what their role is as a publisher and source of funding for Platinum. "Rayman/Ninja Gaiden got ported...so what's next?". The most likely answer to that question is ZombiU, Rabbids Land, or whatever other token third party "exclusive" were handed to the platform.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah but it could be cool if she got the nunchuck and sickle combination that Ai Rin had.
I think Rin Rin's fans could be pretty cool as a weapon with a Round Trip type move
Not sure either will happen but it's a cool idea
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Ai Rins are more like flails, though.
Fans were deadly weapons of female ninjas ( And some male). I have some myself!
MoogleWizard
Member
Nintendo is funding both games, so that is highly unlikely.
Lord Ghirahim
Member
I scrolled down and this was the last post of the thread. I snorted.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Good news, you can already enjoy them!
There is nothing inherent about the Wii U that makes your hands burn when you touch it.
Yeah, terrible news if you own a WiiU AND other consoles. How unfortunate.
That's good. Doesn't mean Platinum are exclusive to Nintendo and we will hopefully see new content from them for the PS4/720. The uproar about Bayonetta 2 was stupid to begin with. It's a new system and Bayonetta has moved on, it happens all the time when franchises move from one system to the next.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Most people don't want to buy an overpriced console for 1-2 games a year.
ShockingAlberto
Member
This is sort of what I mean.
What console you ally with has become such a fundamental part of people's identity. "The rest of us" are people who apparently don't want one and can't/won't ever purchase one.
Well, let me rephrase that. It's no longer part of your identity which console you own, like it was when we were young kids, but rather which ones you will stamp your feet and refuse to own. And somehow this is a viewpoint expressed with pride, not shame.
If you want, say, Yakuza 4 and don't own a PS3, well, that sucks. Maybe I'll get a PS3 for that game. If you want Bayonetta 2 or Wonderful 101, huargh, gamer rights, they need to port those games so everyone can play them because apparently owning hardware to play games is an archaic notion.
What console you ally with has become such a fundamental part of people's identity. "The rest of us" are people who apparently don't want one and can't/won't ever purchase one.
Well, let me rephrase that. It's no longer part of your identity which console you own, like it was when we were young kids, but rather which ones you will stamp your feet and refuse to own. And somehow this is a viewpoint expressed with pride, not shame.
If you want, say, Yakuza 4 and don't own a PS3, well, that sucks. Maybe I'll get a PS3 for that game. If you want Bayonetta 2 or Wonderful 101, huargh, gamer rights, they need to port those games so everyone can play them because apparently owning hardware to play games is an archaic notion.
ShockingAlberto
Member
That sucks for them, doesn't it?
Excusing this mentality as anything other than whiny and petulant when at its core it is the equivalent of crying and not getting in to the bath is just as sad.
360/PS3 era kinda spoiled people. That's why what Nintendo did was smart. There wasn't really any reason to get a 360 if you had a PS3 and vice versa unless you just HAD to have the exclusives. However if you wanted to play motion games, you HAD to get a Wii because the experience couldn't be had on the other consoles. Bayonetta isn't really the type of game (at this point) to have features that required a Nintendo console. That's why it's hard for people to justify buying hardware just for it. However since Nintendo is publishing it, they're gonna have to live with that.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
It does suck for them, yes. Exclusives are bad for everybody.
But, apparently, there are more than 1-2 games a year people want to own just not for the Wii U.
MoogleWizard
Member
You want the games, you have to buy the hardware the games are on. That's how it's always been in this hobby.
That's the whole point of exclusive games, otherwise there'd be three identical consoles on the market, what would be the point of that?
ShockingAlberto
Member
Haha, really
Don't think of Bayonetta 2 as a third party exclusive. Think of it as a Nintendo first party game, because essentially that's what it is. They are funding it 100%. They paid for it, they keep it.
The good news is that third party exclusives really doesn't exists anymore.
Majukun
Member
seems like we will already have leg-variant of existing weapons (whip and sword)..all i can think,apart from REALLY peculiar weapons (like odette) are "staff weapons",like a Bo,a trident like fei rin's one or a schythe.
Maybe a chakram could be a good idea,but then people will begin to say that bayo 2 copies from Dmc.
There are a couple of bladed weapons that would be cool to use,like katars,or a double katana combo (the one with the smaller blade for parry and the longer blade to attack),but it's all about how different would be a moveset based on these weapons
anyway,i really hope all the weapons from the first game will return.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Bayonetta is a different case because non Nintendo fans are the reason it exists at all. If I liked Bayonetta, which I don't, I would be frustrated at it being a Wii U exclusive. I don't think that's petulant, it's just natural. The type of people who like Bayonetta don't have much cross over with Wii U owners.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
That's not whining, it's logic.
Surely in this case they're good for people who liked Bayonetta and wanted a sequel? If Nintendo couldn't guarantee the game as an exclusive, it would've almost certainly remained cancelled.
This isn't a 3rd party exclusive.
This is a first party game where Nintendo stepped in and made this game happen.
The idea that this is a bad thing baffles me.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Probably would have found a way to exist. Nothing to say another publisher couldn't have taken it on.
ShockingAlberto
Member
zyxwvu4321
Member
Don't be silly. 'Tis better a franchise die than be tainted by exclusivity to Nintendo.
Are they? Where does this info come from?
Guess that's why Nintendo paid for it then, eh? To get a different demographic to buy Wii U.
Actually, Non-Nintendo fans are the reason it would not exist. There weren't enough non-Nintendo fans to purchase it to warrant the sequel being made. Because Nintendo is trying to make their core fan base happy, they are funding it.
The only type of people who like Bayonetta and do not have much cross over with the Wii U are petulant children.
From the developer. The information has already been posted in this thread and I'm not going to do your homework for you.
Majukun
Member
are you serious?
Dave Meltzer
Banned
The sequel was being made. It got dropped because Sega has became a terrible publisher
I for am glad Bayonetta 2 is exclusive, we wont get another gimped port debacle. And Platinum can just focus on making a great game instead of worrying about making an equal game for 2 or more systems. Multiplatform games definitely have there advantages but exclusives are just as important and help distinguish systems.
Watch Bayonetta 2 raise the bar so far that.... Capcom and Team Ninja wont even bother and just... outsource for a quick buck Platinum nooooooooooooooo
Watch Bayonetta 2 raise the bar so far that.... Capcom and Team Ninja wont even bother and just... outsource for a quick buck
Platinum nooooooooooooooo
tauroxd
Member
That's... too smart, man. You can't be that smart here.
I haven't seen any other statements from PG than "THey made it happen".
Concluding from this, that Nintendo is funding the entire thing, is a bit of a stretch.
No. It was cancelled because the first game didn't sell well enough to warrant a second. If it would have, they would have continued with development. This is simple stuff here.
Let's try a little deductive reasoning here: Sega has said that this is all Nintendo and they have nothing to do with it. PG has said that the game wouldn't be made if it weren't for Nintendo. Nintendo is publishing the game in all territories. PG doesn't have the resources to self-fund a AAA retail title. What are we to learn from the information at hand?
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Wii U fans are Nintendo fans. Games like Bayonetta have no history of being successful on Nintendo platforms.
How is that a controversial conclusion?
Jaded Alyx
Member
Nintendo fans play exclusively on Nintendo platforms, correct?
Majukun
Member
games like bayonetta are not successful anywhere nowadays.
Plus,i don't see why a nintendo fan cannot like bayonetta..i'm a nintendo fan,and i ADORE bayonetta
And just to be clear,at the moment i don't have a wii U and i don't want a Wii U,but if i have to choose between a nintendo funded bayonetta 2 and a dead franchise,i have no doubt about what to choose.