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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos

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Ironically, reputable journalists with a litany of verified 'inside sources' is how most real investigative journalism gets done.

But for the Gies' of this industry, unless it's served up to them in a nice .zip file from a publisher's press site, they don't know what to do with it.

Yeah I had this experience recently. Gametista.com (my site) got the exclusive reveal of the RetroN 4 before Hyperkin officially announced it, yet there were those that expressed the news was fake and that they wouldn't believe it until there was an official press release. Never mind the fact that I had the official logo and such.

I do understand erring on the side of caution, but as you pointed out, that's how journalism works with those sources they can't reveal.
 
What pisses me off is certain game critics/journalism show zero appreciation of the employment they are in, I do feel at times with certain individuals they are very fortunate to be in the position they find themselves
There is this gap between gaming journalists and the public. Gaming journalists feel the public doesn't appreciate them and the other way around. I met plenty of people working for gaming websites and such who feel they are above the average gamer.

I understand it can be hard to filter out the hate comments and sometimes the criticism gets to me also. But you have to get over that and realise you work for that public and the fact that they take the time to criticise you also means they care.
 

Foffy

Banned
Guys (and probably some ladies) I´m not yet so familiar with the Gies case. Can somebody please give a background explanation of this comment?

Microsoft funded Polygon, I believe. But in that case, maybe he was already on their side for praise?
 

Empty

Member
i can understand gies' dismissal of the inside sources. i mean why would anyone with information talk to the small blog of nobodies at rock, paper, shotgun when they could have the ear of the illustrious games journalist luminaries braving new paths at polygon.
 
There is this gap between gaming journalists and the public. Gaming journalists feel the public doesn't appreciate them and the other way around. I met plenty of people working for gaming websites and such who feel they are above the average gamer.

I understand it can be hard to filter out the hate comments and sometimes the criticism gets to me also. But you have to get over that and realise you work for that public and the fact that they take the time to criticise you also means they care.

Well if more had that attitude I wouldn't feel as annoyed
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
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from the Sim City callout thread

What a stand-up guy.
 

Gannd

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What pisses me off is certain game critics/journalism show zero appreciation of the employment they are in, I do feel at times with certain individuals they are very fortunate to be in the position they find themselves

A lot of games writers believe that they are in the video game industry, they're not. Because they feel that way they rush to defend the hive.
 

Gannd

Banned
Does Arthur Gies do anything except being mad at things he's too invested in?

What I love is any time they face any criticism they always lash out and become very rude. It seems they have no ability to do any self reflection or engagement with their criticism. They are not professionals they are children writing book reports about toys. With the "documentary" they produced they didn't respond to criticism they just lashed out. How is that different?

When they grow up I'll treat them like adults. But for now, they are going to be treated like the colically infants they are.
 
It's pretty funny how transparent aegies is. He is the one who is always looking for something to become mad about, yet projects it onto others.

Borderline Personality Disorder manifests itself by projecting your insecurities and problems onto others and transfering your personality in a certain way. You then criticize and terrorize those that are essentially "you."
 

DaBuddaDa

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Borderline Personality Disorder manifests itself by projecting your insecurities and problems onto others and transfering your personality in a certain way. You then criticize and terrorize those that are essentially "you."

Everybody does that to certain degrees, I wouldn't call him Borderline. People with real personality disorders can hardly function in society. He's more your typical, young, brash, bullheaded know-it-all in dire need of an older, wiser mentor. I know quite of few people just like that. They're not bad people. But I think it was a mistake on Vox's part to put him in a position of authority.
 
Everybody does that to certain degrees, I wouldn't call him Borderline. People with real personality disorders can hardly function in society. He's more typical, young, brash, know it all in dire need of an older, wiser mentor. I know quite of few people just like that. They're not bad people.

Yeah. I was being purposefully inflammatory. :p

I just find it wholly ironic he is saying do not say or criticize the game's development or features if you do not work for maxis or ea.

Like proving God, you cannot postulate anything given the way he framed it: negatively or positively. He can just as equally not say anything...
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Polygon needs to seriously get over GAF. They use every chance they can to slag on GAF while using GAF as a major news source.

What goes around comes around. Gaf shits on them at every chance. Yeah, they've had a few missteps lately but they also do somethings really well. Instead of attacking each other we should be helping each other.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
What goes around comes around. Gaf shits on them at every chance. Yeah, they've had a few missteps lately but they also do somethings really well. Instead of attacking each other we should be helping each other.

Work together on what..? GAF users do what any major site does for FREE. From news to reviews. The only thing the average gaf user doesn't have access to are the swag press events, but in the end that's just free shit. Why the fuck these "journalism" sites exist..I do not know.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Work together on what..? GAF users do what any major site does for FREE. From news to reviews. The only thing the average gaf user doesn't have access to are the swag press events, but in the end that's just free shit. Why the fuck these "journalism" sites exist..I do not know.

You literally just described actual journalism as well. Basically you're saying any dude with a tape recorder or camera and a blog can do better than what the big news networks do. True in some aspects but wrong in others. The level of clearance news (and gaming) outlets get help bring stories you couldn't get anywhere.

Maybe gaming media should be relegated to feature articles, as the typical internet gamer couldn't get access to write those.
 
What goes around comes around. Gaf shits on them at every chance. Yeah, they've had a few missteps lately but they also do somethings really well. Instead of attacking each other we should be helping each other.
Half their writers post here in the first place, yet have been mysteriously quiet on the actual message boards once this whole SimCity thing hit the fan. It's one thing to have to damage control on another message board about some dodgy reviewing on your company's part, it's another to just sit on your twitter and slag off the forums instead of bothering to engage anyone here directly.

That Ian Bogost guy kind of tripped over himself by being as blunt as he was, but I think he had a point that Polygon's writers seemed far more preoccupied with scouring any mention of themselves on Twitter instead of engaging in a level-headed debate with anyone on any of the gaming communities they frequent.
 

JDSN

Banned
CVG interviews Lucu Bradshaw, this are some of his hardball questions and comments:
One suspects that, by the time you read this, the majority connection problems will have been remedied.


Do you agree that players should not be refunded a game specifically if it doesn't connect online straight away?

To what extent did initial demand outweigh server capacity, do you think?

It is fair to expect that some people at Maxis who have sacrificed so much to make SimCity an acclaimed game could be disgruntled or disillusioned by the whole episode.

Talk about leading the answers
 

rakhir

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What goes around comes around. Gaf shits on them at every chance. Yeah, they've had a few missteps lately but they also do somethings really well. Instead of attacking each other we should be helping each other.

I really enjoy their features, i think most of them are interesting and fantastic to read.
But you can't expect people to ignore Gies while he's being a grade-a douchebag. His first comment was pretty non-threatening, he just doesn't know or believed some lies he was told, but after that he shitted on RPS reporting, which made me complately dismiss him as a journalist.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
You literally just described actual journalism as well. Basically you're saying any dude with a tape recorder or camera and a blog can do better than what the big news networks do. True in some aspects but wrong in others. The level of clearance news (and gaming) outlets get help bring stories you couldn't get anywhere.

Maybe gaming media should be relegated to feature articles, as the typical internet gamer couldn't get access to write those.

I can't argue the access, but I don't visit any of these sites so I don't know what's so amazing about these features they put up. I'd like to see a feature on someone going to the lead coder of PS3 Skyrim's house, knocking on his door, and asking him wtf went on. I want them to follow him to McDonald's paprazzi style. That'd be a feature I'd be interested in. I want them to go to Curt Schilling's house right now and ask him how did he fuck up his company so badly. That I'd be interested in.

Exclusive reveals or previews, or just some dumb little article from low-level employees about why some B-tier developer sucks is not exactly hardcore reporting. Neither is repeating the press releases of companies like EA. Fuckin one of the founders of Respawn WASN'T EVEN INVOLVED IN THE NEW GAME FOR ALMOST A YEAR and yet it was only just "uncovered." Where are my inside scoops journalists?
 

Geedorah

Member
Work together on what..? GAF users do what any major site does for FREE. From news to reviews. The only thing the average gaf user doesn't have access to are the swag press events, but in the end that's just free shit. Why the fuck these "journalism" sites exist..I do not know.

After discovering GAF and getting my account - I've all but given up on all the "journalists" out there. Still read a PA Report once and a while, but I don't trust a single one of the "reviews" out there. Rather test the title out on my own, and if it is worth it - I will try to directly support the devs first before just buying it.
 

renitou

Member
CVG interviews Lucu Bradshaw, this are some of his hardball questions and comments:


Talk about leading the answers

Yikes! I remember when I was a high school sophomore doing my first interview, and my Journo teacher kindly taught me the basics of forming neutral questions, in the interest of letting people speak for themselves, rather than setting out to craft a narrative before any interviewee had ever uttered a word.

Silly, silly. But then again, I guess he's not talking to people curing AIDS. No biggie. ;-)
 

Casimir

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What goes around comes around. Gaf shits on them at every chance. Yeah, they've had a few missteps lately but they also do somethings really well. Instead of attacking each other we should be helping each other.

Disingenuous comparison. GAF is a PUBLIC FORUM comprised of consumers, and a few developers who want to join the discussion, who come together on their free time for discussion of their favorite hobby for no personal profit; ergo, no inherent claim to expertise outside of their own opinions. Polygon/Kotaku writers are 'professional' reviewers/commentators/journalists who write/make videos about the aforementioned hobby as a means to make their living, purportedly by offering a expertise/viewpoint that is beyond the reach non-professional hobbiest.

The so called professionals are that only in name. It's normal and fine for people to make mistakes from time to time; but it's another thing to insult average consumers on a message board when they simple point out the constant low quality coverage and uninformed, basically fanboy, opinions/analysis provided by Polygon/Kotaku/IGN etc. It's entirely unprofessional how these people act toward both legitimate and even forum level fanboy rage. A lot of the people being criticized post on GAF if they were really using their experience and knowledge when writing their pieces, it would be a simple act to come here and rationally defend their articles, tweets, and 'reviews'.

But how much do they actually do that? Never, because even as Cliff Bleszinski learned with his last moronic blog post, an appeal to authority through credentials doesn't mean you can post a bunch of nonsense and have it accepted by rational people; because more often than not the people on this forum, and every forum really, have a deeper understanding of the material than the author. The only time the 'professionals', your trying to defend, post on GAF is to mention that they interviewed someone the average person wouldn't be given the time of day because they have real jobs and don't get large donations to run their own game website. Or they have to mention how they got a free advanced copy of the next big budget game and want to advertise that the review on their site is going up in 'x' hours, so we the forum posters should make sure to go to the site and give them ad revenue.
 

Pasco_

Banned
I really feel like I need to rip Arthur Gies as next apart. His corporate apologist bullshit has gone to far.

https://twitter.com/aegies/status/310282795564015616

CVG interviews Lucu Bradshaw, this are some of his hardball questions and comments:

Talk about leading the answers

The line between the games press and games PR no longer exists. Games writing is now the province of shills and mouthpieces.

I feel bad for the vanishing minority of quality journalists and writers who have to be tarred by necessity with the broad brush of sleaze, corruption and incompetence that has to be swept over anything written about games.
 

web01

Member
It wouldn't surprise me at some of these reviewers were literally on the EA payroll or receiving cash under the table especially those from the handful of high profile websites. To a huge company like EA that money would be nothing. Higher reviews scores have generally shown to correlate with higher game sales. It would be smart investment.

There is no way way to explain the constant near perfect review scores for high profile games published by EA especially when public opinion has been extremely critical.
 
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