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[USC-fan]

Remember the chaos during the annual banning waves? Imagine this system in place and people having to replace their systems AND all their retail games.

Damn I never thought about that. Man you get hacked you are fucked!

Man i remember this from the CAGCAST.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=23483

Now you cant used your console and every game you ever bought is worthless.

Banned from xbox would be huge now.

 

[malfcn]

The last console I will ever buy?

 

[toastyToast]

Those answers are seriously amazing. He didn't say shit

 

[Meccanical]

 

[Klocker]

IN 10 YEARS! lol just too funny.

Sell that BS to someone else that doesnt understand how the internet/games work. Cloud is the reason for a 24 hour check in? GIVEMEABREAK...

no I think the plan was always online and a ten minute check in so they could use cloud rendering. but the internet exploded...

If you paid any attention to what they said yesterday and the architecture talk you would have heard that was their plan all along

 

[Iacobellis]

The last console I will ever buy?

From Microsoft.

 

[hteng]

dodging the question like a pro, but he pretty much semi confirmed that by default, the console needs to be online to play the games, unless stated otherwise.

 

[luxarific]

At this point, I do not think we're going to know for sure until someone buys a machine and tests it independently.

Would love to see a ton of questions directed at MS about this issue at E3. Not that I really think they'll answer, of course. I'd just like to see them sweat a bit.

 

[mbmonk]

Game can play on any profile on the "home" box.

What is the defining line or aspect between the "home" box and any other box when your profile exists? How is MS going to know that it's your 'home' box?

Forgive my ignorance if it's obvious.

 

[kassatsu]

Why are you guys hatin on Matt Booty. He made Cruisin' USA.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I'm far from a games press apologist, yet I've been impressed with how (rightfully) aggressive different outlets have been in pressuring Microsoft for better answers here. Eurogamer's interview with Phil Harrison comes to mind.

All I see here is a giant wall of PR bullshit being relayed and him asking twice about the second hand thing then rolling over like a dog and moving on.

The title of the article makes sure to be sensationalist(rrod guis) while not drawing attention to anything bad that the consumer might want to pay attention to and know.

There should be a front page article about MS (and sony too btw) refusing to owe up to their second hand/always online anti consumer crap

Instead they just go along with the PR mill all the same and let them bring 'their message' the way they want to.
They are enabling them and giving them a platform for their PR bullshit, instead of trying to serve their readers, because obviously who else is gona pay for those ads on their site, eh.

 

[Ponn]

What is the defining line or aspect between the "home" box and any other box when your profile exists? How is MS going to know that it's your 'home' box?

Forgive my ignorance if it's obvious.

1st time activation when the game is installed for the first time. Will flag the profile and the system like your XBLA games do now.

 

[Freezie KO]

"I like to think more about all the advantages of that an internet connected device are going to bring to a console." - Matt Booty

The response to this should've been: "I know YOU like to think of the advantages. You're the Microsoft shill. Let's talk about what I like to think about since I'm the interviewer here. How long until we need to reconfirm an internet connection?"

 

[Neuromancer]

Just as I figured, no advantages to always online or sporadic internet checks, only disadvantages for the consumer. Like really do I care what my friends are playing when I'm trying to play an offline single player game? This is absurd.

 

[Glorified G]

What is the defining line or aspect between the "home" box and any other box when your profile exists? How is MS going to know that it's your 'home' box?

Forgive my ignorance if it's obvious.

The first system you created or synched your profile to

 

[Foffy]

At this point, I do not think we're going to know for sure until someone buys a machine and tests it independently.

Would love to see a ton of questions directed at MS about this issue at E3. Not that I really think they'll answer, of course. I'd just like to see them sweat a bit.

The question then is how MS handles the truth if this sticks. Will they bar journos from getting the system before launch date? Will they ban them from talking about it? I can honestly see MS trying to bury those who talk about this stuff, if it's all true and they want this to stick with the Xbox One.

 

[JWong]

Adam Orth fired for the truth.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Always online complaints are stupid IMO. It is not a big deal. Reminds me of when people said XBL being broadband only was a mistake

 

[Pennywise]

The question then is how MS handles the truth if this sticks. Will they bar journos from getting the system before launch date? Will they ban them from talking about it? I can honestly see MS trying to bury those who talk about this stuff, if it's all true and they want this to stick with the Xbox One.

I'll guess they stick with the PR answers they're giving until the launch.
The only other scenario would be more pressure from press.

 

[alterno69]

One thing is for sure, the console has to be online whenever you out a new game in it, this is going to hurt them bad. There are literally millions of PS3 and 360 owners who have never connected their consoles online and many more who couldn't even if they wanted.

 

[travisbickle]

If you have to "check-in" every x hours when playing a game then this console is mandatory online. Good luck with that MS.

 

[USC-fan]

no I think the plan was always online and a ten minute check in so they could use cloud rendering. but the internet exploded...

If you paid any attention to what they said yesterday and the architecture talk you would have heard that was their plan all along

So tell me how you get to 24hr check in = cloud compute? If you are not online, cloud compute would not work.

Its just about DRM.

 

[Freezie KO]

Just as I figured, no advantages to always online or sporadic internet checks, only disadvantages for the consumer. Like really do I care what my friends are playing when I'm trying to play an offline single player game? This is absurd.

POP UP:

"Freezie KO is playing: 'internet check-in'. Would you like to join him?"

 

[mbmonk]

1st time activation when the game is installed for the first time. Will flag the profile and the system like your XBLA games do now.

The first system you created or synched your profile to

Thank You!

 

[Owzers]

Always online complaints are stupid IMO. It is not a big deal. Reminds me of when people said XBL being broadband only was a mistake

If those stats were correct that MS put out, how 40 million xbox 360 owners never went online with either gold or silver , out of 75 million owners, is that not something Microsoft should question before arbitrarily making it required to have an internet connection if you want to play videogames? I PROBABLY wasn't going to get an xbox one at launch if Sony still has free online gaming, but if all this used game stuff pans out i might not get one ever since i like Gamefly currently and don't see that changing unless Sony follows these tactics.

 

[Delusibeta]

Still sounds like internet-required drm and a complete ban on used games to me.

My theory is that they're implementing the current 360 downloads DRM to all XbOne games regardless of where you bought it. Doesn't quite explain the internet checks, maybe there's a shady back room deal whereby select retailers will be able to accept games for trade-ins in exchange of a kickback to Microsoft and the game being disabled from your profile.

 

[UberTag]

One thing is for sure, the console has to be online whenever you out a new game in it, this is going to hurt them bad. There are literally millions of PS3 and 360 owners who have never connected their consoles online and many more who couldn't even if they wanted.

Yeah, no question about that. I guess those millions of offline consumers don't matter to Microsoft any more.

 

[Kusagari]

Always online complaints are stupid IMO. It is not a big deal. Reminds me of when people said XBL being broadband only was a mistake

Hey look another person that thinks everyone has reliable internet because he does!

 

[alterno69]

If those stats were correct that MS put out, how 40 million xbox 360 owners never went online with either gold or silver , out of 75 million owners, is that not something Microsoft should question before arbitrarily making it required to have an internet connection if you want to play videogames?

They know the always online crowd will provide enough money? I don't know, all i know is i do have a great internet connection at home but i wont be supporting their practices

 

[Dr.Palutena]

Hey look another person that thinks everyone has reliable internet because he does!

And that problems exist only at the users end.

 

[Freezie KO]

If those stats were correct that MS put out, how 40 million xbox 360 owners never went online with either gold or silver , out of 75 million owners, is that not something Microsoft should question before arbitrarily making it required to have an internet connection if you want to play videogames?

This wasn't arbitrarily decided. They have studies upon reports upon studies about the lifetime value of the customers they're losing versus the lifetime value of forcing customers to be online. I'd bet they did their research.

 

[Beren]

Awww man , my internet sucks badly sometimes, i really hope Sony don't follow this nonsense

 

[whitehawk]

Always online complaints are stupid IMO. It is not a big deal. Reminds me of when people said XBL being broadband only was a mistake

Here's the situation as I see it. If I bought an XBox One this year, realistically the online-only aspect wouldn't affect me too much. My internet does sometimes go down (happened a few days ago), but most of the time it works fine.

The problem I have with it is that it I don't feel like I really have control over the content I buy. If Microsoft banned my account, all my games are gone. What happens when Microsoft doesn't support the XBox One 15 years from now? Will my games not work anymore? I still play my SNES and N64 sometimes. I went to a Tetris Attack (SNES) tournament this year. Imagine if the SNES required to be connected to the internet (hypothetically). Would hosting that tournament be impossible? After all the game is 17 years old, and it's not unusual for game servers to be turned off. And of course, sometimes my internet does go down. Let's say I don't touch my XBox for 5 days. I decide to play Halo 5, but my internet is down. Since I haven't connected to the internet for 5 days, does that mean I can't play it? Now the XBox One is apparently "always on", so maybe it doesn't matter if I don't use it for days at a time. It might always connect the internet even when its "off". That still doesn't re-assure me though.

 

[GDGF]

Why are you guys hatin on Matt Booty. He made Cruisin' USA.

I thought that was Eugene Jarvis.

(Eugene Jarvis kicks ass, btw)

 

[BolognaSoup]

MS hired nothing but politicians to work this console reveal. Unbelievable.

This part is SO bad: "and there are likely to be some games modes that you'll be able to continue to play"

"Likely" and "some" game modes?? I understand that multiplayer wouldn't work MS but this is a frightening answer for the future of this industry. When the Xbox 4 comes out, will ANY of these Xbox One game modes work into the future?

 

[PhatSaqs]

Always online complaints are stupid IMO. It is not a big deal. Reminds me of when people said XBL being broadband only was a mistake

Most of the peeps here are speaking for other people who may be without connections. It's kind of weird IMO but whatever. I wont bitch until it bites me in the ass. Until then Im fully embracing the always online/DD future.

 

[nomis]

Here's the situation as I see it. If I bought an XBox One this year, realistically the online-only aspect wouldn't affect me too much. My internet does sometimes go down (happened a few days ago), but most of the time it works fine. The problem I have with it is that it I don't feel like I really have control over the content I buy. If Microsoft banned my account, all my games are gone. What happens when Microsoft doesn't support the XBox One 15 years from now? Will my games not work anymore? I still play my SNES and N64 sometimes. I went to a Tetris Attack (SNES) tournament this year. Imagine if the SNES required to be connected to the internet (hypothetically). Would hosting that tournament be impossible? After all the game is 17 years old, and it's not unusual for game servers to be turned off.

Microsoft will obviously take the moral high ground and patch out online check-ins by the time gen5 rolls around.
























Not.

 

[shinra-bansho]

If Xbox 360 was the Xbox One, exactly how much of its userbase would they have given up with always online requirement? How many people never connected to the internet for Xbox 360? I know the number is considerable since I've seen the stat before

It's amazing they think losing even a quarter of that segment is worth whatever extremely limited gains they think they'd be making

I believe there are around 40M Live accounts last I recall, but then there are presumably multiple accounts on single consoles.

EDIT: Oh, beaten.

 

[Aspiring]

So tell me how you get to 24hr check in = cloud compute? If you are not online, cloud compute would not work.

Its just about DRM.

When watching I too got a feeling what they always wanted was always online for cloud computing, and those 3 minute rumors were probably true until the outrage from Adam orths twitter fiasco.

To try and subdue this they will make it 24hours for their drm and say that it's up to the publishers. This way the publisher looks bad and not them when really they are just using what MS set up.

You will probably see games that use this cloud computing and advertise it as a ground breaking feature requiring an always online Internet connection.

 

[Cheesemeister]

I can watch Blu-rays offline?!

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Holy shit, this

Matt Booty: I think we're going to- so in the absence of any internet connection, you're going to be able to play blu-ray movies, and there are likely to be some games modes that you'll be able to continue to play. But again, the XBox One was really designed to take advantage of the modern era where people have got high speed internet, where it's just all the advantages it brings in terms of the cloud, knowing what your friends are doing, online play and everything else that goes along with having an internet connection.

is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Jas]

Most of the peeps here are speaking for other people who may be without connections. It's kind of weird IMO but whatever. I wont bitch until it bites me in the ass. Until then Im fully embracing the always online/DD future.

I think some of them probably had first hand experiences with Diablo 3 and SimCity where the problem wasn't their internet connections...

Those were just individual games, now we're talking about an entire platform.

 

[fertygo]

Just a thought that I had, if you banned from Live can you play your game?

 

[Kusagari]

Just a thought that I had, if you banned from Live can you play your game?

I highly, highly, highly doubt it.

 

[chickdigger802]

If someone steals your kinect, how boned are you?

You can't just buy another one separately at stores right?

It's like gamepads for wiiu

 

[Mrbob]

I'm sick of MS double talk. Why even post videos with MS employees right now? Worthless responses.

 

[nomis]

If someone steals your kinect, how boned are you?

You can't just buy another one separately at stores right?

It's like gamepads for wiiu

Maybe the ends of the kinect cable are a permanent fixture.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Awww man , my internet sucks badly sometimes, i really hope Sony don't follow this nonsense

They aren't, Sony already said they acknowledge the fact that tons of people in different parts of the World don't have a fast and reliable internet connection or don't have internet at all. MS is acting like everyone interested in gaming around the World has crazy fast internet which is complete nonsense.

Xbox One is going to be a train wreck.

 

[ironcreed]

Just a thought that I had, if your banned from Live can you play your game?

The way things are looking, I would wager no. It's like a giant shit sandwich that keeps on stacking Scooby Doo style.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Holy shit, this:

"Matt Booty: I think we're going to- so in the absence of any internet connection, you're going to be able to play blu-ray movies, and there are likely to be some games modes that you'll be able to continue to play. But again, the XBox One was really designed to take advantage of the modern era where people have got high speed internet, where it's just all the advantages it brings in terms of the cloud, knowing what your friends are doing, online play and everything else that goes along with having an internet connection."

is fucking ridiculous.

Yep. Just finished watching. So Xbox One is a blu-ray player if there is no internet connection. So fucking amazing.