Snacks the sober sea lion
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Naming a character after the dullest, most generic, pointless dude in MW2 (Riley) and having everyone wear his stupid mask is an homage. Copy/ pasting animations is not.
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COD: Ghosts has an exact same cutscene from MW2
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TacticalFox88
Banned
Terrible analogy considering Bay is pretty shit. CoD ranges from mediocre to genuinely great.
IchigoSharingan
Member
yeah just like copy/paste levels from previous COD games is a nod to the community.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
pants
Member
I dunno. Reusing classes/methods to build a new version of a calculator app, sure, why redo? extend etc. But for video content in a visual medium, you better have a good reason and it shouldn't be "don't reinvent the wheel"
DrGonzo615
Banned
I thought the exact same thing when I saw the COD video....
Now Infinity Ward really is the Michael Bay of the gaming world!
Advertising and the pockets of the executives at Activision?
did you know Zelda 64 was built on the Mario 64 engine?
But, because Nintendo isn't lazy and actually tweaked it so much... that Zelda 64 basically created a brand new engine?
But technically, it's the Mario 64 engine.
That's how you reuse things.
Not this.
Never this.
Doritos cross promotion.
Haha.
This would be horrendous if this was the actual ending of the game, but since it's not I'll let it slide for now.
It's not a homage, though. It's reused animations and it comes off as lazy, especially for a series with all that money that doesn't get put to good use for the game itself.
MurkyZebra2417
Member
People are really getting mad at this?
I bet Gears of War 1-4 all have cutscenes in them where Marcus pulls up his arm to his ear to hear the incoming call, fucking lazy Epic.
I also think God of War had multiple scenes where they showed Kratos with the same mimic in a cutscene, pffff.
I bet Gears of War 1-4 all have cutscenes in them where Marcus pulls up his arm to his ear to hear the incoming call, fucking lazy Epic.
I also think God of War had multiple scenes where they showed Kratos with the same mimic in a cutscene, pffff.
Yes, reusing a single animation is the same thing as reusing an entire cutscene.
You are a credit to all CoD fanboys.
Fuck off with that shit.
I'm so sick of the stigma that someone who enjoys cod is essentially a brain dead fanbot that will willingly support and buy everything cod.
AstroNut325
Member
I see it more as homage to MW2. But I can definitely understand those who see it as outright copy-paste.
test_account
XP-39C²
I've seen a few comments regarding "entire cutscene". Is the cutscene longer than 18 seconds (that is what the Youtube video shows)? The word "entire" makes it sounds like its something that lasts for several of minutes, at least it does that to me.
For me personally, this is simply an interesting tidbit about the game and it's developement.
I think he asked a fair question. Activision definitelly have the money to make a different animation and camera angle in that scene, and if people want to call it lazy developement, that is fair enough for me, but i still think its a fair question and i'm curious to hear the answer to how the game would be differently if they made another animation and camera angle for that 18 second scene early on in the game.
For me personally, this is simply an interesting tidbit about the game and it's developement.
MurkyZebra2417
Member
They reused like 15 seconds of a cutscene in a 5-6 hour game. Probably the same time Marcus stands there talking to people in Gears cutscenes.
Yeah, I am the total CoD fanboy not buying one since MW1 and only renting them. The hate this game gets is just insane and unwarranted. The single player campaigns are always awesome and fun, you know, fun, what games should be. And it is not less fun because they reused a 15 second cutscene.
If they think this is the same thing as Marcus holding his hand up to his ear in Gears of War 3... then yes, that sounds like a brain dead fanbot to me.
It's not wrong to enjoy it, but call a spade a spade.
MurkyZebra2417
Member
I like Gears 3 more than CoD... maybe I am a fanbot of both, not even owning a 360 and all
EmCeeGramr
Member
I don't think it's that big of a deal, but it's pretty embarassing that of all the "guy gets picked up by other guy" animations that must exist for COD games by now they had to pick one from the ending of a previous game. That's not an homage. An homage would be if there was like, a news report about an airport massacre or a pair of snow mobiles hidden in a level.
A full on ripoff of MW2 would be if there was a section where you were an astronaut who died in space when your station blew up, or an underwater section leading up to clearing rooms of an oil rig, or America being invaded in some implausible fashion involving space technology!
A full on ripoff of MW2 would be if there was a section where you were an astronaut who died in space when your station blew up, or an underwater section leading up to clearing rooms of an oil rig, or America being invaded in some implausible fashion involving space technology!
silver.tongue
Member
This is ridiculous. They aren't even trying anymore.
Yeah, comparing a reused cutscene with a reused minor animation is totally not a brain dead fanbot-esque statement.
Gimme a goddamn break.
Well, it was more than the "animation" being reused, the camera angles and cuts were also reused (essentially that particular NIS).
I wonder if it was just some employee being lazy, surfing on neogaf instead of creating new content while at work...
MurkyZebra2417
Member
Wow, you are so brain-dead in your hate, awesome!
The only thing worse than CoD fanboys is the CoD hateboys.
And the worst thing is that people really think this is a bad game because of this. Because it just sucks the FUN out of the game.
Nobody among the ones believing it's a nod is crediting IW with being subtle or saying that it's a well done moment I guess. But it DOES seem like a clear nod to me none the less.
Well excuse me for getting a little irritated when you want to generalize all call of duty fans for a stupid statement one fucking person said.
Not any reasonable person, but I see no reason to be overly defensive of Infinity Ward's lazy cutscene direction.
michael bay, director of the century
Except he's far from the only person saying less than intelligent things about the reused cutscene.
There are people in this thread that think it's an intentional homage.
MurkyZebra2417
Member
I am not even defensive, I am not even buying the game. It is just fun that I say its not as bad because the game is probably still awesome and fun and instantly get called a CoD fanbot.
You people are really agressive about something that is nothing.
And Demon Ice is so fucking mad, maybe because he is more intelligent than many other persons in this thread
I don't mind the reuse of animations or camera settings / cinematography and I couldn't care less for IW or CoD.
I see it as a fan service. I also see how some people could think it's IW being lazy (but of course it's the first thing people on GAF will think of because it's Call of Duty)
Either way, you should be able to see both sides. If you can't you're probably either one of the few fanbots that will defend it regardless, or a hater.
Well, I love CoD, and I do care. I expect and demand better out of one of my absolute favorite franchises.
Nah, I'd say xJavonta was the one that got mad. I'd probably be angry if I got fooled into spending money on Ghosts though.
See, calling this fan service is an absolute stretch. Did you consider the re-used building geometry in MW2's maps to be fan service as well?
It's pure laziness.
Warm Machine
Member
What would a new engine accomplish? It isn't like the same tech that powered CoD 2 is the same as the one in Ghosts. You also don't play the engine and DX is mostly a matter of good art in, good art out. You also have to remember they are targeting 60fps so they need buffer at all times in case things go nuts.
I think the new engine thing is just some kind of tech point of pride for enthusiasts. No one is going to take three years to write a new engine for a yearly series.
And lazy devs is a disgusting phrase.
I think the new engine thing is just some kind of tech point of pride for enthusiasts. No one is going to take three years to write a new engine for a yearly series.
And lazy devs is a disgusting phrase.
I can get asset reuse, especially of smaller companies. Call of Duty: Ghosts will probably the be the second best selling game this year. It seems absolutely pitiful to see a company who can easily put a bigger budget into these games not even try with this series anymore. I can get characters or areas ala 'crossovers', but using the exact same animation, in what looks to be the exact same circumstance...why
test_account
XP-39C²
Just out of curiousity, how would you be fooled into spending money on COD: Ghosts?
Then the problem lies with yearly series getting stale. EA saw fit to let DICE invest some time into a new engine and it has paid off on Battlefield 3/4. That engine is fantastic and completely ready for next-gen.
Ghosts' engine feels left behind and put together with duct-tape.
All that talk of a Next-Gen CoD with amazing new tech with a great new story and great multiplayer and yadda yadda and the final product is riddled with tech issues and cut corners while looking like a current gen game wouldn't make you feel like you got a little taken advantage of?
MurkyZebra2417
Member
Fooled? People enjoy the game. I don't like the multiplayer, but every Single Player campaign of mainline CoD since CoD1 gave me 5-10 very very fun hours.
People play games to have fun. People buy games they have fun with. (I borrow it because my brother buys them all
)I (and obviously million others) have no problem with a 5 hour corridor shooter with no AI and scripted events once in a year, because it sometimes is awesome. And then I go back and play a RTS, RPG or something.
It is not like you don't know what you get when you buy CoD.
MurkyZebra2417
Member
Still the campaign in Ghosts' is (probably) more fun than in BF4.... so ....
Damn, have people really forgotten that games are about having fun and not complaining about bad looking rain, reused cutscenes or 30fps?!?
test_account
XP-39C²
For me it would depend on what type of tech issues and corner cutting we're talking about. If its corner cutting that really affects the gameplay experience, then it would kinda suck for me indeed. If its an 18 second reused animation and camera angle in a 5-7 hours single player campaign, for me personally, i cant think of any reason why this would actually matter to my overall experience with the game. I do play the CoD single player campaigns, but i buy those games mostly for the multiplayer
What other tech issues and corner cutting were done in CoD: Ghosts? Honest question, i havnt followed the game that much, and i havnt tried it yet either.I dont think i would feel that i've been taken advantage of regardless though. Bugs and smaller technical issues is quite common these days. Not many developers can (or do) promise that their games will be bug free.