My favorite explanation of the situation from an article of an MS Exec saying something was something along the lines of
"The XB1 doesn't ship with an OS."
That's a much easier message. And I suggest you use it over and over again.
Other than as an academic exercise, why on earth would you care or even think they should divulge every pre-release detail?
Damn he was so unlucky to get a patch that expired on the very day he got his X1. Sorry. I'm not buying this explanation at all and neither am I convinced by Penellos explanation. The fact that his post left holes that X1 fans are having to 'patch' shows just how unhelpful it was.
So every day prior to launch requires a new update, and if that update is not received, the system is unplayable?
That is the official stance?
What? Each build would have a set time before a new build was required.
WHY DAY ONE UPDATE THEN????
I don't know if we have the exact timing, but I think we can assume that there are periodic, if not daily, updates.
So every day prior to launch requires a new update, and if that update is not received, the system is unplayable?
That is the official stance?
Question, can you change the time and date setting on an offline xbox one?
Question, can you change the time and date setting on an offline xbox one?
I really think you're looking for something where there isn't anything.
He can't get into settings, whether it's because of the ban, the fact that the console is effectively online, or because it's a pre-release OS we simply don't know.Question, can you change the time and date setting on an offline xbox one?
So every day prior to launch requires a new update, and if that update is not received, the system is unplayable?
That is the official stance?
Question, can you change the time and date setting on an offline xbox one?
Okay, I agree if this were November 23rd (and can you imagine the shitstorm if this happens) but it is completely irrelevant right now.I should have clarified, I don't care, but when someone who gets a retail XB1 says 24 hours later they cant play Singleplayer games or access settings, its probably in their best interest to say why.
I think the scariest part about all this is why has Microsoft built into their system a way to deny us from playing single player games offline from the disk? This suggests that they can just turn our games off at any point, even physical offline games. The question is not why would Microsoft ever turn our games off but rather why did they give themselves the ability to do it at all?
Question, can you change the time and date setting on an offline xbox one?
I've never heard of such a thing.
Easy way around this, stop breaking ToS.
Looks like the patch for offline was always in the cards.
more like a day 1 update was always in the cards. them adding offline play into it was what wasn't in the cards initially.
The final consumer OS that everyone downloads on Nov. 22 is obviously not going to contain any kind of time limitation. MS has said many times that you only need to connect ONCE to download the final OS, and then never ever have to do it again.I should have clarified, I don't care, but when someone who gets a retail XB1 says 24 hours later they cant play Singleplayer games or access settings, its probably in their best interest to say why.
Okay, I agree if this were November 23rd (and can you imagine the shitstorm if this happens) but it is completely irrelevant right now.
A sensible enough explanation. I knew from the start this shit couldn't be right, nobody is that strategically deaf
You have never installed a trail version of software?
I should have clarified, I don't care, but when someone who gets a retail XB1 says 24 hours later they cant play Singleplayer games or access settings, its probably in their best interest to say why.
How's the DRM being removed then?
I really don't like MS, but everyone should just calm down and wait till the 22nd. MS did not plan to launch the console untill that date and will be working on their remaining issues. Let them fix them and then rip on them if shit is not working properly day one and it bricks the console.
I really hope that MS are taking Target to town for their fuck up, because releasing it into the wild has really caused a shitstorm.
Are you serious? The OS that comes out of the box isn't done. The day 1 update is to get the latest, functional OS. This was explained months ago. Why is this so hard to understand?
I have. That is a different thing to a software build that will be being tested at multiple points around the world.
It's not an uncommon thing actually. It enforces everyone to be on latest code for testing/dev purposes.
I'm completely speculating here, but it may be for security reasons. That is, temporary OS's are time-stamped and restricted to avoid functional units leaking with incomplete and/or malfunctioning code.
We may have just gotten a peek behind the curtain that we weren't meant to, but it really means nothing.
Again, pure speculation!
I'm taking the night off from this thread, it is getting to levels of ridiculousness that I just cannot comprehend right now.
Now I understand why Microsoft and Sony both wanted to keep their consoles out of the hands of players until they are actually launched. It has nothing to do with hiding anything, it has everything to do with preventing the hyperbolic alarm that is being displayed in this thread.
So every day prior to launch requires a new update, and if that update is not received, the system is unplayable?
That is the official stance?
Why that guy can't play Ghosts offline? I thought that update is for removing DRM.
(i meant to say except nintendo)
*dodges boots*
Thats... precisely the opposite of what we've discussed in the past page and a half. And the opposite of what the MS execs were quoted as saying months ago.
it wouldn't have been so bad if there weren't so many people determined to find fault with everything right now. it's really ridiculous and it's happening on "both sides"
Why that guy can't play Ghosts offline? I thought that update is for removing DRM.
Why that guy can't play Ghosts offline? I thought that update is for removing DRM.
it never shipped in the first place. the decision to remove it happened long before the consoles were finished.
their plan was to have it be always online. gonna guess because of that, they decided early on that they would ship with a stub OS and work right up to the launch on the launch OS and release it day 1 since everyone needed to be online to use the console anyway.
them canning the always on DRM added *more* work and they still had the timeline for launch, hence the need for the day 1 update still. and also why they say it was not necessarily for DRM removal since it was planned to be that way from the start before the DRM was a public issue.
and the constant updates before final is just more of that in action. them working right up to the deadline. or it could be something else, something more nefarious, but i think the previous idea makes more sense.
No it's beyond relevant this is indicative of a ongoing and overarching issue here, I know I'm not the only person on this board going to school for or with experience in software dev and if 2 weeks out they are still this deep in the debug process launch is going to be a unmitigated diaster. On the flip side if MS is just lying and has in fact bricked this guys console remotely from every feature of the Xbox One I think I'm more concerned that they have that kind of power over something that I've purchased.Okay, I agree if this were November 23rd (and can you imagine the shitstorm if this happens) but it is completely irrelevant right now.
I wouldn't say it's people trying to find faults in this case. D say its skeptical people wary of Microsoft after what they tried to do and their reared suggestions that they were right all along and we just don't understand.