I was just observing why it's important for that transition to take place. I don't know if it will assimilate as you say, but I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Give it time, as you said.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Scrubbing out the win: Examples of "bad" players winning competitive games
- Thread starter ScOULaris
- Start date
In the FSP v. Ghandi match, Ghandi was doing a lot of stuff that FSP should have punished and won since people have been doing what Ghandi did in his match since day one of SFIV online. FSP simply didn't play correctly. For example, every time Ghandi did a shoryuken that got block or jumped at FSP, FSP should have been able to drain a quarter to nearly half of Ghandi's life.
The reason Ghandi's play is seen as scrubby is because against players who remember those things, the vast majority of mid-level players and every high level player,will have you lose consistently.
Exactly.
Cant decide which is worse, the video itself or the comments.
Spiritreaver
Member
Agreed, if there is anything I've learned while getting into fighting games is that placing blame outward only causes you to get more flustered and "salty". The burden is on me to step up my game, adapt, and win.
Shouta
Member
You may disagree but a lot of folks see them different now. You also don't need to ask "What kind of scrub is he?" because it's understood through context. Many words out there are like that.
real world sports are pretty much fully in your control. video games, tend to not be. certain things like character advantages, etc. i remember in MvC2 Justin Wong used to play people with low tier teams. The greatest MvC2 player would lose to bums like Dark Prince.
then again, this is all irrelevant to the thread. That Rufus was just as garbage as the Ryu. when you lose to a flowchart Ryu who literally does the same 3 things, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Dreams-Visions
Member
He clearly isn't good, but he wasn't button-mashing nor was it devoid of logic. Everything he was doing was very deliberate. He was throwing fireballs to chip, interrupt basic attacks, and force jumps. He was DP'ing for anti-air and...to on wakeups to...well...idunno why. lol. But I do know that he didn't accidentally. Shit may have WORKED by accident, but it for damn sure was done with clear intent. He had reasons in his head that made sense at his low-tier level of logic and understanding in this game.
It was just all very dangerous and should have been punished repeatedly, but it wasn't. But in no way was it logic-free button-mashing. I'd say he was a noob rather than a scrub. Or just plain not very good. Either way, it was clearly enough to get a win under his belt. YMMV.
theprodigy
Member
Not seeing how that video isn't just one scrub beating another scrub
dat phoenix tech
Being upset at your loss and still meeting the minimum requirements of common courtesy IS good sportsmanship. Its not like anyone is confused by the mystery of why he wouldnt want to shake hands.
Tesseract
Banned
daaammn ~!
MikeBreezy92
Member
Its possible in any game if the skill levels are the same as the ones shown in the video.
My point was that he should'nt force himself to do so if he's upset. It was probably best for him to just walk it off instead of doing so. Some people can't force themselves to just be polite when they're upset so they walk off instead of doing something they regret. not everyone is the same when it comes to salt.
Ragingnight
Member
umvc3. Earlier tekkens with Eddy/Christie but thats 3d.
Rarely if ever happened in marvel 2. If you are a beginner/scrub/noob, you will get wasted by an average sentinel, magneto, storm.
Lol Justin's face killed me. I'm not saying that Vergil isn't a damn good character because he is. I'm saying that people automatically throwing shade at him whenever they lose whether to a good player or bad player just sounds bad. You still have a chance to win.
Shouta
Member
Yep. It gets mitigated a bit depending on genre due to mechanics and innate elements to that type of game but it's pretty much possible in any game.
I was pretty good at SF IV back in the day and I lost to that kind of play quite a few times. They just throw so much random shit, no way you can expect some stuff. Just block and punish, it's the only way.
You should watch Kusoru playing Guilty Gear, he plays like that on purpose and he wins a lot of matches.
You should watch Kusoru playing Guilty Gear, he plays like that on purpose and he wins a lot of matches.
Holy Order Sol
Member
lol Tvtropes has a page for it
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
This is exactly what the problem is. No matter how you want to portray it, the term "scrub" was designed to be a derogatory term for a specific set of people. When you turn it into something to label a variety of people, including those that did nothing to deserve anyone's contempt, then you start to look kind of ignorant in the eyes of others.
Gandhi does not deserve to be called a scrub. Nobody here can say for sure what his thought process was during that match.
If anything, the scenario could be that he did those moves because they worked. There is PLENTY of rhyme and reasoning behind that.
But to imply that someone is doing things without rhyme or reason is like saying that they put a blindfold on and randomly pressed buttons. That is just dumb.
It sounds like what you really mean is that scrub = someone that is bad at the game and has no knowledge of move properties or mechanics.
Yeah, I take back that statement. Was dumb of me.
I'll be honest, the more entertaining thing for me while watching the video was watching the Rufus player getting more and more frustrated and losing his composure as the match wore on. He seemed to be more concerned about mouthing off or rolling his eyes or acting like a child who is angry that things are not going the way they are supposed to. Acting like a sore loser at the end and angrily storming off were the icing on the cake. Like someone earlier said, its not required that you have to be a good sport and act respectful and humble in the face of a tough loss, but that sure as hell doesnt mean I'm not going to judge you based on your actions when you lose. Nobody likes to lose, but handling yourself with character and class seems a foreign concept to some.
Augemitbutter
Member
ah, looks like SFIV. it's worse when the "scrub" has lag on his side online.some games can be played like that, others cannot.
he should try that in KoF. he will eat 3 combos and lie down like a good citizen.
he should try that in KoF. he will eat 3 combos and lie down like a good citizen.
Holy Order Sol
Member
That's the issue. Cameras, streams were forced on people all of a sudden because of a few people who wanted to "expand the community" at all costs and were all like "omg dat esports money and e-fame", without understanding the implications of it.
lmao!! really.
i dont think i have ever laughed so hard while watching a Street Fighter vid, that was pure golden, the commentators had me in hysterics thanks OP
Rufus player not once adapted to anything the novice player was doing, it was clear as day
has he never heard of bait the scrub players mash through combos and just punish it every time, and to be honest they both were scrubs.
i dont think i have ever laughed so hard while watching a Street Fighter vid, that was pure golden, the commentators had me in hysterics thanks OP
Rufus player not once adapted to anything the novice player was doing, it was clear as day
has he never heard of bait the scrub players mash through combos and just punish it every time, and to be honest they both were scrubs.
Back in the Affinity meta, the best deck was anti-Affinity. Every deck lost to Affinity except anti-Affinity, which crushed Affinity. And since half the decks were Affinity, guess what fucking happened?
Karak
Member
Great video. I don't have any game references but I can say that in MMA or martial arts one of the first thing we teach is that a new person may know moves but not know when to use them and for many highly skilled peeps that can be a downfall if they aren't prepared for the randomness of someone just throwing bombs when they really shouldn't be.
It's called being respectful to someone. It doesn't matter if you won or lost, acknowledgement of the opponent should be given; it doesn't have to be a "good game" or a handshake, but anything that says thank you for allowing me the chance to do this. It also doesn't matter if your opponent is not being respectful, respect should still be given. While many people will say 'my respect for someone must be earned', other's respect must be earned too and by showing respect for someone else others will show respect to you.
Walking off just shows disrespect for everyone involved. It shows you have no care for your competitor who wasted their time for you to be a shit about it, and it breaks bridges instead of forging them.
MikeBreezy92
Member
Depending on how you are as a person, that's not necessarily true. Its important to understand that if someone doesn't say GG or shake your hand, its probably best just move on and let it go. If they want to do so they'll do it. Otherwise keep on movin...
DerZuhälter
Member
BattleMonkey
Member
Why was he acting up when he won the 2nd set?
Any time he wins hes still acting like a child
Any time he wins hes still acting like a child
I'm not trying to say you need to force a handshake or a compliment, but you should extend the offer if it hasn't already been extended to you. If someone has already stormed off there's not much you can do, but if you're the one storming off then it's going to reflect negatively on your character whether it's intended or not.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I spent 16,000 yen (155 USD) on the same person at Virtua Fighter in the SEGA arcade building in Japan.
When I eventually won ONE game, I stood up 'cuz I had other stuff to do, and reached my arm out to shake his hand. He just stared at me... I awkwardly pulled my arm back in and left.
When I eventually won ONE game, I stood up 'cuz I had other stuff to do, and reached my arm out to shake his hand. He just stared at me... I awkwardly pulled my arm back in and left.
DryEyeRelief
Member
It's threads like this that convince me that "scrub" should be abolished from the FGC vocabulary.
Because people miss the point. You should just say what you literally mean...like "braindead player", "imbecile" or "moron." This isn't about being new. This is about being stupid.
Because people miss the point. You should just say what you literally mean...like "braindead player", "imbecile" or "moron." This isn't about being new. This is about being stupid.
this had my sides hurting lmao
come on, we arent looking for reasons of symthpy and derogatory's, this was just pure comedy on both parts
and yes that ryu was a scrub "derogatory" or not, both players are categorized for eternity with this vid as scrubs its just the way FGC is, trash talk city and SF go hand in hand
but good lord that Vid was hilarious
MikeBreezy92
Member
If you're storming off it shouldn't reflect bad on your character in the first place. Since when is it bad to walk off and be upset for a bit?
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Which one of the two is the Ryu player? I legit cannot tell.
RockTurtle
Member
should have played LoL with him to get handshakes.
Maybe it shouldn't, but it does.
Maybe i am wrong, but i think that anyone gave you the link to the match you were talking about. If thats the case, i am really surprised. I mean, i am used to gaf answering FAST. Anyway:
CPU (rob) vs Ken (marth), 3 videos because 3 matches. In order:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWWfOD9Cupw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlU6hcmeXYQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFcnnPtUhGw
That was when Ken was still playing so with "ken" i mean "the King of Smash". And... a summary of cpu play could be items (+ rob ones) , glide toss, down tilt AND spot dodge into down smash, spot dodge into down smash... I havent watched the final again now, but i still remember it like it was yesterday. Actually, i used that style of rob to play casually with my friends
They didnt know what to do about it. But in evo finals...Fun fact: nintendo showed the first match on a series of 10 brawl tutorials on their nintendo channel of the wii. NINTENDO SHOWING AN EVOLUTION MATCH!? Crazy if you think about what almost happened with melee at evo this year...
MikeBreezy92
Member
Ok then well it shouldn't and no one should be obligated to be "good sports" either if they don't want to be.
dripdripsplash
Member
Internationals
Alliance v NaVi
Alliance v NaVi
What? Both of them played horribly. What fight did you watch?