KoopaTheCasual
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Then Nojima is not as great as I thought he was. I thought Toriyama wrote and directed X-2.
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Kazushige Nojima (scenario writer) wants Final Fantasy X-3 to happen
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ZombiePlatypus
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Wow, somebody actually noticed! ^^
Also (more special credits spoilers):EDIT: Some pictures.Yuna breaks up with Tidus and one of the new characters is Auron's daughter.
What. The. Fuck.
If anyone had any sort of apprehension about the idea of a X-3, this shit right here should be enough to change that to a solid, resounding "HELL NO."
MagnaderAlpha
Member
He was never THAT great. As others have said, he's hit or miss. He can do some good things(and he's a helluva lot better writer than Toriyama and Watanabe), but he isn't immaculate.Then Nojima is not as great as I thought he was. I thought Toriyama wrote and directed X-2.
no, no, no...sigh noSpecial credits spoiler:Sin is back. Somehow.
Toriyama is probably responsible for the shitty stuff in this, like say he has all theseideas and Nojima can do nothing else but include those elements into the story and try to make it work. There's still a big enough possibility FFXV's story will be mostly fine because Nomura has said it doesn't focus on romance and the story doesn't have stuff likeAuron's daughter, Sin is back, Tidus-Yuna-some third wheel Jdrama BSSin who could even come back for some stupid as hell reasons.
That is, FFXV doesn't have the backage of an already established world and a history of events like the destruction of Sin NOT TO EVEN MENTION that, more importantly, the setting and basic premise itself seems to make a lot more sense (it's a world of nations at war, politics & scheming instead of giant monsters who are actually fathers of the main characters and whatnot).
Right. I mean, like 9thwonder said earlier in the thread, XV has the advantage of not being a sequel to a game that never needed sequels. It could be fine , I'm just saying let's not act like we 're not talking about the same guy here.
Then Nojima is not as great as I thought he was. I thought Toriyama wrote and directed X-2.
Nope. Script is Nojima. Toriyama was promoted to director after FFX.
Nojima isn't the best writer, sure, but he can usually write some decent stuff, especially if he's not bogged down by having to retcon old stuff and isn't paired down with Toriyama. As I said in my earlier post, I'm sure it's Toriyama who came up with all the shitty story concepts even if Nojima actually wrote the end product. I mean, I'm certain not even some of the best writers in the world could make Toriyama's worst ideas work. It's kind of like Call of Duty in a sense. They get all these big name hollywood writers yet the stories are still shit. Same goes for Toriyama, except he's dealing with a fantasy world so he knows no limits for his stupidity.Then Nojima is not as great as I thought he was. I thought Toriyama wrote and directed X-2.
As I said in my earlier post, I'm sure it's Toriyama who came up with all the shitty story concepts even if Nojima actually wrote the end product.
This is based on literally nothing. We don't know who wrote this. Your posts are usually better than this.
Let's maybe stick to blaming Toriyama for things we can actually confirm he's done.
Going by that summary:
Tidus and Yuna haven't really formally broken up, and if they did we don't know the full picture of what is happening.
Chuami isn't really Auron's daughter, and if she is we don't know the full picture of what is happening.
Sin is supposedly back but it may be in a different form than we know it since they don't use the term Summoned, and we don't know the full picture of what is happening.
Chuami isn't really Auron's daughter, and if she is we don't know the full picture of what is happening.
Sin is supposedly back but it may be in a different form than we know it since they don't use the term Summoned, and we don't know the full picture of what is happening.
There's a huge chance a X-3 will have a garbage story, but there's a lot of overreacting at snippets in this thread. If a project like this actually happens I'd keep an eye on it because I'm a fan of X and X-2, and even if it's an obvious cash grab the gameplay would probably be good or great (unless they went for something wack like they did with Dirge of Cerberus).
This is based on literally nothing. We don't know who wrote this. Your posts are usually better than this.
Let's maybe stick to blaming Toriyama for things we can actually confirm he's done.
Yes we do. Nojima wrote this, according to Square.
That said, I think Famassu is right. Nojima isn't the best, but compared to his resume? This isn't a dip in quality, it's a nose dive.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be surprised to learn Toriyama is a co-author. He's already worked on FFX, directed X-2, and now he's coming off of the "successful" Lightning trilogy. So if he feels like he has something good or interesting (LOL) to say with FFX's world/characters, what's Nojima gonna do, say no? Toriyama is even on the series quality committee or whatever and isn't a freelancer like Nojima.
Yes we do. Nojima wrote this, according to Square.
That said, I think Famassu is right. Nojima isn't the best, but compared to his resume? This isn't a dip in quality, it's a nose dive.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be surprised to learn Toriyama is a co-author. He's already worked on FFX, directed X-2, and now he's coming off of the "successful" Lightning trilogy. So if he feels like he has something good or interesting (LOL) to say with FFX's world/characters, what's Nojima gonna do, say no? Toriyama is even on the series quality committee or whatever and isn't a freelancer like Nojima.
I really just don't see any nosedive. This guy worked on Kingdom Hearts. It's hardly known for an immaculate story without any surprising developments in sequels. The guy worked on Advent Children as well. He wrote Glory of Heracles, which was a complete snooze fest.
People just want Toriyama to do be this simple answer to all their problems.
And while he is a freelance writer now, he literally set up the core story for FFX and FFXIII which Toriyama then went off of. The exact reverse of what you guys are saying.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Totally unrelated:
Vincent Hamm is credited in the game's Special Thanks section. He is the guy who created an FFX and X-2 Model Viewer way back when. Looks like Square Enix used this fan program during development of this remake. That's pretty cool.
Vincent Hamm is credited in the game's Special Thanks section. He is the guy who created an FFX and X-2 Model Viewer way back when. Looks like Square Enix used this fan program during development of this remake. That's pretty cool.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
FFX-3 spoiler:Tidus and Yuna end up back together!
It's so obvious.
What a flimsy excuse of a plot to make a 3rd game.
I wouldn't put it past them for a second honestly.
Dafuq is wrong with the story writers? If there's a FFX-3 I would be worried now....but I still want it to happen though, FFX is my favorite FF and a sequel (X-2) makes me really happy back then.
Is there any indication of how long after X-2 X-2.5 takes place?
That really is cool, yeah.
Totally unrelated:
Vincent Hamm is credited in the game's Special Thanks section. He is the guy who created an FFX and X-2 Model Viewer way back when. Looks like Square Enix used this fan program during development of this remake. That's pretty cool.
That really is cool, yeah.
Toriyama isn't good when it comes to story, even if he is somewhat capable as a game director (his games can be fun to play). He always takes stories into completely ridiculous directions.This is based on literally nothing. We don't know who wrote this. Your posts are usually better than this.
Let's maybe stick to blaming Toriyama for things we can actually confirm he's done.
I mean, X-2 did at least make sense with its post-Sin world, but 3rd Birthday and XIII-2 and Lightning Returns are just... No. While XIII-2's story has some redeeming qualities (it doesn't always take itself completely seriously, Noel was a decent character , the ending with Serah was a ballsy move and the villain was somewhat interrsting as a person as well), but there's no question about the fact that the basic premise of XIII-2 is idiotic. The story should have been like X-2's, a post-Cocoon world where people are adjusting to their new way of living without the nice commodities Cocoon provided them and maybe some powerplay between emerging factions, with some larger evil also posing as a threat (maybe just make some crazy egomaniac lunatic religious figurehead a main villain who's aim is to sacrifice humans for some god of his by destroying the pillar supporting Cocoon). Instead we got a needlessly convoluted premise with timetravel, erased-from-the-timeline Lightning and whatnot.
I'll defend recent FFs where I see reason to, but Toriyama's story concepts are not one of those things
2 years.Is there any indication of how long after X-2 X-2.5 takes place?
Unknown One
Member
Wait is this true? Hope not. This company and their damn retcon milking sequels.
badcrumble
Member
I knew of three. XV, another one which had a concept demo showcasing summons and traversal involving them and what I initially called FFXVI but now refer to as just another FF, and finally FF7. The middle one is what I assumed to be FFXVI or the next FF project beyond XV. This one comes out of nowhere. These spoilers are very detailed though. I'm hoping this is mobile, because if it's not, that means there is no FFXVI at the moment. There's no way SE can be doing this many big FF projects.
Verendus, are you actually in a position to know of (for example) whether an FF7 remake is actually getting worked on in any meaningful sense?
I'm not going to lie, the whole
makes the end of FFX-2 entirely pointless. There might be more of a reason to all this and it could end well but shit they should leave them two alone. Do that drama shit with other characters. That's my favorite canon pairing out of all FFs.
Yuna and Tidus splitting up
ZombiePlatypus
Member
People are insane to think this will be a major FF title.At best it will be handheld reusing X HD assets.
Come on guys get it together.SE won't waste so much resources on necromancy sequels.
If they did it with the Lightning games, I don't see why they wouldn't do it with anything else.
People are insane to think this will be a major FF title.At best it will be handheld reusing X HD assets.
Come on guys get it together.SE won't waste so much resources on necromancy sequels.
Lightning Returns.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Not only that, Square Enix wasted a shitload of resources on the FFVII Compliation, how many years after FFVII's release? I wouldn't put it past Square Enix one bit that they'd be ABOVE the whole necromancy thing. It's clear they aren't above ANYTHING.
Lightning Returns.
Yeah, on the contrary: People are insane if they think this won't be a major project.
Wouldn't surprise me of the budget was neutered like LR though.
I really wish square would stop shitting on the greatness that is ffx. If there recent portfolio is any indication I don't want them shitting on earlier final fantasy stories with terrible sequels with convuleted plots. Ff13's sequels basically changed the entire story for the worse in my opinion. There like completely different stories with lightning as some Jesus figure.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Kazushige Nojima is and has always been the lead writer on XV. He wrote X, X-2, X-2.5, and it stands to strong reason he'll write X-3. Not sure where this "completely different writing team" stuff is coming from. You have the same guy setting the tone and making the big plot decisions for both projects.
Different story directions. It's like people expecting Nomura to replicate KH stories in XV, when clearly Nomura stated that he wishes to take the plot to a different level, something that is darker, and perhaps more mature by FF standards. Whether or not if he succeeds is another question, at least I wouldn't expect the exact same shit between the two games.
As for X-3, yeah, the plot sounds dumb as fuck. Too much emphasis on "love" and people don't like retcon in general, especially something as cherished as the original FFX. Chrono Cross is the perfect example, when compared to Trigger.
This is a bad idea written all over. Please give the thought of X-3 a rest, Square Enix.
dakkumauji
Member
Also what is this implying?
Final Fantasy: Idolmaster is finally happening.
Not only that, Square Enix wasted a shitload of resources on the FFVII Compliation, how many years after FFVII's release? I wouldn't put it past Square Enix one bit that they'd be ABOVE the whole necromancy thing. It's clear they aren't above ANYTHING.
Hell, it's even more interesting that they didn't even finish the Compilation of FFVII.
AwakenedCloud
Member
Hell, it's even more interesting that they didn't even finish the Compilation of FFVII.
You said it. What letter did they get to, D? They still have a long way to go until Z.
Well, I'd wager the success (or lack of) of Lightning Returns would be pretty important in their decision whether they'll greenlight any kind of X-3 or not, considering it would likely be a Toriyama lead project and considering how cancellation happy SQEX has been in the last 2-3 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to can any kind of X-3 if/when LR fails to sell worldwide and if they read a lot of negative feedback of the X-3 set up of X | X-2 HD's epilogue thing.Yeah, on the contrary: People are insane if they think this won't be a major project.
Wouldn't surprise me of the budget was neutered like LR though.
It's pretty well known FF stories are a melting pot of ideas from all the staff involved. The script writer's role is to put them together in a somewhat coherent fashion and there are just things that are out of his control (even when he also appears to be director, look at Matsuno and FFXII).
That's why I don't blame Nojima to much for some of the weird turns his FF stories take sometimes. And he's very good in term of dialogue writing, in a whole other league compared to Watanabe.
That's why I don't blame Nojima to much for some of the weird turns his FF stories take sometimes. And he's very good in term of dialogue writing, in a whole other league compared to Watanabe.
Well, I'd wager the success (or lack of) of Lightning Returns would be pretty important in their decision whether they'll greenlight any kind of X-3 or not, considering it would likely be a Toriyama lead project and considering how cancellation happy SQEX has been in the last 2-3 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to can any kind of X-3 if/when LR fails to sell worldwide and if they read a lot of negative feedback of the X-3 set up of X | X-2 HD's epilogue thing.
I think LR is it's own thing. It's FFX/X-2 HD that need to perform if anything, but again: This is exactly what they did to tease LR after XIII-2 and it's not at all like XIII-2 sold well.
I'm convinced they're already set on doing this.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
It's the whole opening of the can of worms that Square's so good at doing. With FFVII's Compilation, from what I recall is left...Hell, it's even more interesting that they didn't even finish the Compilation of FFVII.
- Weiss isn't dead.
- Genesis returns(taking Weiss with him)
- Shelke's now a part of the group(at least a tag-a-long with Vincent)
- Sephiroth's return is inevitable(because nobody at Square WANTS him to die)
- Fate of Shalua Rui is unknown(she's either dead or in a coma).
- On the Way to a Smile: Shinra revealing that an ex-Shinra scientist named Kilmister(who was an assistant to Hojo) came up with a way to create a being even more POWERFUL than Sephiroth. Note: Kilmister was killed, but this information was made known to Rufus nonetheless(hence he's aware it exists).
- Genesis returns(taking Weiss with him)
- Shelke's now a part of the group(at least a tag-a-long with Vincent)
- Sephiroth's return is inevitable(because nobody at Square WANTS him to die)
- Fate of Shalua Rui is unknown(she's either dead or in a coma).
- On the Way to a Smile: Shinra revealing that an ex-Shinra scientist named Kilmister(who was an assistant to Hojo) came up with a way to create a being even more POWERFUL than Sephiroth. Note: Kilmister was killed, but this information was made known to Rufus nonetheless(hence he's aware it exists).
There could be others factoids I left out. Urgh, all this makes my head spin!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Its almost beautiful how they managed to strike every generic fanfiction trope possible.
AuthenticM
Member
This piece of crap better not be the other FF game we're supposed to be getting this generation. That would be a huge disappointment. I refuse to believe.
The "other FF game"? Don't tell me you knew about this "other" game, too. It's a little hard to believe considering how off-the-wall this is.
Man are they milking themselves dry.
I knew of three. XV, another one which had a concept demo showcasing summons and traversal involving them and what I initially called FFXVI but now refer to as just another FF, and finally FF7. The middle one is what I assumed to be FFXVI or the next FF project beyond XV. This one comes out of nowhere. These spoilers are very detailed though. I'm hoping this is mobile, because if it's not, that means there is no FFXVI at the moment. There's no way SE can be doing this many big FF projects.
I've never heard of this "other FF game". Where have you guys heard of it ?
I knew of three. XV, another one which had a concept demo showcasing summons and traversal involving them and what I initially called FFXVI but now refer to as just another FF, and finally FF7. The middle one is what I assumed to be FFXVI or the next FF project beyond XV. This one comes out of nowhere. These spoilers are very detailed though. I'm hoping this is mobile, because if it's not, that means there is no FFXVI at the moment. There's no way SE can be doing this many big FF projects.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's back up here. Are you saying FF7 remake is in the works for this gen??
Just fckin done with FFXV already .
Exactly. Make one -good- game, with a solid number, not a spin-off, and succeeds on its own design. THEN we'll talk sequels or remakes.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's back up here. Are you saying FF7 remake is in the works for this gen??
I think someone mentioned some "insider info" about the game being "unofficially in the works", but we have nothing firmer than anecdotes.
Risk Breaker
Member
Totally unrelated:
Vincent Hamm is credited in the game's Special Thanks section. He is the guy who created an FFX and X-2 Model Viewer way back when. Looks like Square Enix used this fan program during development of this remake. That's pretty cool.
What I take from that is that they didn't save/have their own assests/tools and had to resort to using fan work (you know, the same shit they cease&desist way too often) in order to destroy Tidus' model. Which is "pretty cool" for that dude, mind you, but absolutely shameful of SE to do. Reminds me of Konami with SH HD.
Bravo SE, just fucking bravo.
IHaveCandy
Banned
I'd rather play an FFX game where you play as Jecht and follow Auron and Yuna's father for their passage.
Risk Breaker
Member
Stefan;94931092 said:Hmm, I would have preferred a prequel starring Auron, Bhraska and Jecht...
I'd rather play an FFX game where you play as Jecht and follow Auron and Yuna's father for their passage.
Please, guys, that would be the logical thing to do.
I'd rather play an FFX game where you play as Jecht and follow Auron and Yuna's father for their passage.
I would like the idea of a prequel too if they mixed up the gameplay Crisis Core style. Ideally I would like to be able to play as Jecht primarily.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Please, guys, that would be the logical thing to do.
Auron, Bhraska and Jecht would be amazing, but you know SE is just gonna wanna make a game instead that's basically "My Waifu & Me: FFX"
Chaserjoey
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I knew of three. XV, another one which had a concept demo showcasing summons and traversal involving them and what I initially called FFXVI but now refer to as just another FF, and finally FF7. The middle one is what I assumed to be FFXVI or the next FF project beyond XV. This one comes out of nowhere. These spoilers are very detailed though. I'm hoping this is mobile, because if it's not, that means there is no FFXVI at the moment. There's no way SE can be doing this many big FF projects.
You mean Agni's Philosophy, which I'm pretty sure was just a Tech Demo made by SE to show off their game engine.
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Deleted member 20920
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You mean Agni's Philosophy, which I'm pretty sure was just a Tech Demo made by SE to show off their game engine.
That didn't have traversal summons and transformations.