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“Sony is Under Major Pressure to Cut the Price of the Vita or Risk a Major Failure”

Bloomberg

“PS Vita’s quite expensive,” said Takeda, 36, an event planner in Tokyo, who owns both a PlayStation Portable and Nintendo Co. DS handheld machine. “I don’t think I’ll be one of those people rushing to buy it on the release date.”

Takeda helps illustrate why pressure is building on Sony to cut prices of its newest game machine after Nintendo slashed the cost of its new 3-D portable player to as low as $169 and as more gamers flock to Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone and iPad to play titles such as Rovio Mobile Oy’s “Angry Birds.”

Kazuo Hirai, Sony Chairman Howard Stringer’s top lieutenant, signaled yesterday the company won’t engage in a price war with Nintendo.

“Gamers are increasingly anticipating Sony to lower prices, especially after the 3DS cut,” said Hideki Yasuda, a Tokyo-based analyst at Ace Securities Co. “Sony is under major pressure to cut the price of the Vita or risk a major failure.”

U.S. consumers will be able to lay their hands on PlayStation Vita, the successor for the model that went on sale in 2004, after Christmas, starting at $249 to $299 for a 3G version. Japanese consumers will be able to buy the Vita, which feature an organic light-emitting diode display and touchpads at the back, by the end of this year from 24,980 yen ($313) to 29,980 yen.

“We have a very good product at a very affordable price,” Hirai, president of Sony’s Consumer & Products Services group, said. “There’s no need to lower the price just because somebody else that happens to be in the video game industry decided they were going to.”

Sony, which lost 34 percent of its market value this year, rose 0.1 percent to close at 1,925 yen in Tokyo yesterday. Nintendo climbed 1.1 percent to 11,950 yen in Osaka, narrowing its loss this year to 50 percent.

Reviving demand at the games division is key for Hirai, the frontrunner to succeed Stringer as the head of Sony, as the company faces an eighth consecutive year of losses at the main television business and the online service recovers from its worst hacker attack ever.
Cutting Forecasts

Last week, the maker of Bravia televisions and Walkman music players cut its full-year profit forecast 25 percent, citing sluggish demand for TVs. Nintendo lowered its annual profit forecast 82 percent.

Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), maker of the Xbox 360 and Kinect gaming devices, are confronting new competitors in the gaming industry who are beginning to reshape the field.

Among them is Cupertino, California-based Apple, which estimates it’s sold more than 200 million mobile devices capable of downloading and playing games. Apple’s App Store offers a choice of more than 100,000 game and entertainment applications to users of the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch.

“The market opportunity for specialist devices is shrinking rather than growing” because of the convergence of activities into a single device, said Piers Harding-Rolls, a senior analyst at a research firm IHS.

“Angry Birds,” a popular mobile-phone game where players slingshot birds at pigs hiding behind barricaded wood and stone shelters, is aiming for 100 million downloads in China alone. Customers are also flocking to online games such as ‘Farmville’ and ‘Cityville’ on Facebook Inc.’s social-networking site.

“The environment for portable game players has become more difficult because of smartphones,” said Koki Shiraishi, an analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc., who estimates shipments of the PS Vita will be about half of the PlayStation Portable sold during the product’s first two years.

Hirai isn’t alone in expecting Sony to resist price cuts.

“The customers Sony is targeting with its Vita are those willing to spend a lot of money,” said Shiro Mikoshiba, an analyst at Nomura Holdings Inc. in Tokyo. “That’s a valid strategy even if the volume’s low as long as it can sustain the higher price.”

Sony is unlikely to cut prices until next year, said Harding-Rolls, a London-based analyst at IHS. The company may sell 36 million PlayStation Vitas by 2015, short of the 46 million PSPs sold at the same stage of its lifecycle, he wrote in an e-mail.

“If strong titles aren’t there for Vita, there is a risk I might have to cut my targets,” said Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at SMBC Nikko Securities Inc. in Tokyo, who expects Vita sales will reach 2.5 million units by March.

Now Gamer: Sony Needs To Lower PS Vita Price - Analysts
Industry-watchers say PS Vita will struggle at confirmed RRP

Sony came under pressure to lower the price of the PS Vita following Nintendo's announced price-cut for the 3DS. PS Vita is set to launch in the UK for £229 or £279 for a 3G version.

Sony has since confirmed that the PS Vita won't launch in the US and Europe before 2012.

"We suspect Sony will lower the price of the Vita if they are unable to launch the hardware this holiday for US / Europe," Janco Partners' Mike Hickey told NowGamer.

"It seems unlikely under our current economic profile that a $250 price point can sustain meaningful channel velocity within a seasonally less significant period," added Hickey, citing Nintendo's struggles with the 3DS which launched in March.

The analyst also mentioned increasing pressure from mobiles and tablets which continue to generate "momentous market buzz."

Meanwhile Wedbush Securities' Edward Woo says Nintendo's woes are a warning for Sony. "I think the 3DS price cut and lack of consumer interest is a bad signal to Sony that they also face significant demand challenges for handheld consoles," he told us.

"I think they will try to maintain a much higher price given the likely high costs to build the device, but I think they will end up like Nintendo with weak demand after initial launch so they will have to cut the price soon too."

Sony has hinted that PS Vita launch details will be revealed at Tokyo Game Show next month.

GamesIndustry.biz: Vita Launch Will Be "a Car Wreck"
Sony is about to launch its new handheld games console into a market that has fundamentally changed since the success of mobile devices, and is likely heading for a costly and ultimately doomed launch.

That's according to Lyle Hall and Matthew Seymour at Heavy Iron Studios, who believe the console is over-priced - but more importantly - that consumers have already demonstrated that they are no longer willing to pay out for single-function games devices.

"If people aren't willing to pay $249 for a Nintendo 3DS why would they pay $299 for Vita? People don't want to carry more than one thing in their pocket, that’s why Android and iPhone have done so well, they are the devices of choice, they offers multiple functions outside of gaming," Hall told GamesIndustry.biz.

"People don’t want it. That's Nintendo huge challenge - how do they add value to that?

Seymour, who has worked for 2K Games and Microsoft Games Studios in a career spanning 20 years, was more blunt in his assessment. "With all due respects to Sony and Vita, it's a car wreck. And how about Xperia Play? I'd love to pull up the numbers on that."

The PlayStation Vita is due this year in Japan and early next year in the US and Europe. The system will be taking centre stage at Gamescom this week, as Sony looks to position itself at the forefront of portable gaming after rival Nintendo launched the 3DS to muted response from consumers.

Less than six months since the launch of the 3DS the system has had its price unceremoniously halved in Europe, and is suffering from a lack of software and the perception that it's a simple upgrade to the DS family of consoles.

Sony's most recent attempts in the handheld market haven't been successful either. The digital-only PSPgo is largely forgotten and its mobile collaboration with Sony Ericsson - the Xperia Play - had no significant marketing push behind it.

Despite a harsh assessment of the Vita, Heavy Iron would like to see the machine succeed, said Hall, but it's the consumer that has voted with its wallet and changed the market.

"The technology is sweet, I'm a huge fan of mobile technology, but I just don't know there's a market out there anymore for the hardware. I can’t see why you would want to put a device out that only does games.

"The consumer has spoken. We wanted to see that world exist - more players, more opportunities for us, but at the same time people don't want that. Unless there's a super technology paradigm shift it’s not going to shift back."
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
I honestly saw the $249.99 price as a PR move to draw some attention off the PSN debacle, and gain back some good will.
 

newjeruse

Member
It's not going to happen and it doesn't need to, so yeah. It's a great value as is. The price didn't kill the 3DS, the software lineup did.
 
I don't think the mass market will accept a USD 250 pricepoint, for what its worth. Same thing as 3DS.

However, depending on what Sony wants from the Vita, it may not be a 'failure' to them to not hit the mass market.
 
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ZZMitch

Member
DMPrince said:
is Angry bird coming to Vita? if so then the price will be fine if people bought iphones and ipads for it.

People didn't buy iphones and ipads just for Angry Birds
 

donny2112

Member
U.S. consumers will be able to lay their hands on PlayStation Vita, the successor for the model that went on sale in 2004, after Christmas,

Did they announce a U.S. release date? Thought the rumors were pointing to October or something like that.
 
$250 wasn't low enough huh?

How about these "analysts" stop comparing the core handhelds to phone apps? It's two different markets and demographics completely.

It's starting to sound like scare tactics or just aimless chitchat for hits at this point.
 

Gravijah

Member
donny2112 said:
Did they announce a U.S. release date? Thought the rumors were pointing to October or something like that.

they announced earlier that it wouldn't hit Europe/USA until after christmas.
 

Takao

Banned
donny2112 said:
Did they announce a U.S. release date? Thought the rumors were pointing to October or something like that.

I guess you missed the shitstorm today where Kaz announced 2012 for US and EU?
 

Mrbob

Member
Maybe Bloomberg should have looked at the famitsu polling instead of listening to the word of an event planner.
 

Dug

Banned
DMPrince said:
is Angry bird coming to Vita? if so then the price will be fine if people bought iphones and ipads for it.
I don't think anyone would buy an iPhone/iPad just for Angry Birds....
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
donny2112 said:
Did they announce a U.S. release date? Thought the rumors were pointing to October or something like that.
Check the news today, Sony confirmed Vita won't be out until 2012 everywhere but Japan.
 

Takuya

Banned
Although Sony can afford to take a small loss on Vita (and hence drop the price) I don't think they will. The price point is VERY nice at $249.
 
omg.kittens said:
Really? $250 is pretty damned cheap already.

To be fair, with today's economy 25000 yen is a lot more than $250 USD. They probably could afford to lower the Japanese price a bit to be in line with the conversion rates...
 
This handheld generation is insane.

Nintendo announces a glasses-free 3D handheld while the DS is riding high.
Nintendo shows a system that blows people away at E3, with everyone citing the amazing 3D, great graphics, and huge lineup.
Sony announces a PSP2 called the Vita with dual touch panels and 3G and PS3-like power, everyone is blown away.
The 3DS comes out for $250, and suddenly people think the 3D's terrible, the graphics suck, and the lineup is shit and it underperforms.
Vita is announced to be $250, everyone flips their minds at the low, low price for that hardware and what a bargain it'll be.
Nintendo cuts the 3DS price by $80 in the first six months, personally apologizes to its early adopters, and gives them free games.
Investors and commentators claim that the Vita is now fucked at $250 because it's priced too high.
 
Too expensive

2x analog sticks
Great software line up
Amazing technology (hurray for them not being cheap, greedy fucks and not ripping people off with ancient tech priced at a premium)

Nah, they can have my money.
 

Slime

Banned
$250 is fine for what I'll be getting. Of course I'd prefer it to be cheaper, but as it is the price makes sense. Only problem is that it's likely out of impulse buy range for most people, while the 3DS now isn't.
 
I think the 3DS just came to soon. I'd be happy playing DS games for another 5 years easily on my DS lite. Might pick up a vita but there's no software that I'm interested in yet.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
BlazingDarkness said:
Didn't you hear? People are FLOCKING to them

FLOCKING
I can either buy a $60 Gears of War game this holiday or 60 $1 iPhone apps plus unlimited free iOS games. And instead of buying the $250 Vita, I can buy an additional 250 iOS games.

I just bought 7 iOS games with my Taco Bell money I had set aside. Not even their Double Beef Chalupa can give you that kind of value.
 
For the amount of tech in the Vita, I think $250 is priced right. Reactionary price drops months before launch doesn't sound smart to me.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
newjeruse said:
It's not going to happen and it doesn't need to, so yeah. It's a great value as is.
Now I've read everything. Fuck me. Where did your consumer demands go?
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
DMPrince said:
is Angry bird coming to Vita? if so then the price will be fine if people bought iphones and ipads for it.
I don't think people bought iPhones and iPads because of Angry Birds. People bought Angry Birds because it was on iPhone and iPad, which they had because it's a quality Apple product that has use in their life.

chubigans said:
I can either buy a $60 Gears of War game this holiday or 60 $1 iPhone apps plus unlimited free iOS games. And instead of buying the $250 Vita, I can buy an additional 250 iOS games.

I just bought 7 iOS games with my Taco Bell money I had set aside. Not even their Double Beef Chalupa can give you that kind of value.
Quality over quantity my friend.

I know, I know the iPhone has great games but there are few that you would actually want to sit down and play for a long period of time.

Are people really going to stop playing their console games because they can buy 400 bite-sized games instead of a new console?
 

joshwaan

Member
$250 is a great price for the system wtf are people talking about going cheaper.

5" OLED screen and Dual core A9's what sold me.

I'm there for my 2x VITA day fucking one !
 
A month ago $250 was an insane value. Today, $250 is still an insane value.

Handheld gaming doesn't have to be a race to the bottom - there's more than enough room for a "premium" product in the market.
 
People are such sheep, nothing has changed since the Vita announcement. Except now you can get an overpriced, underpowered handheld with no games for less. I really don't understand all this doom and gloom bs, it's reactionary and childish.
 
If they don't drop the price we'll all need second jobs!

Seriously though, no way the drop beforehand. They get all of the early adopter sales, then drop.
 
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