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AC UNITY patch worsens NPC pop-in. Ubisoft actually puts in new spawning animation.
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Shaunboy97
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I played a significant chunk of the game last night on Xbox One and haven't noticed any issues... There was a chase scene that looked like it was going to stutter but smoothed out
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
My point, pop in is the same as it was pre-patch.
I don't think I've ever seen the major pop in on building details before. Pretty sure I would have noticed it considering it's pretty jarring.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm not seeing more than the usual amounts of pops. The game has so many variables that it's hard to get a definitive answer on a lot of things.
Its just bad LOD(Level of Detail). Seems they have less variety in NPCs the further away they are. As they get closer their detail and clothes become more unique. Basically the distant lower detail NPCs are just more generic base models. This is just my observation, I havent played the game yet.
Probabaly saves on memory/bandwidth doing this. Otherwise, if its not that, thern its just janky design and/or code.
Every game has this technology built in, it's meant to reduce the resources.
In Parity it is more "cinametic and next gen"
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Game gives the first 100 or so npcs full detail while the rest use simpler models and rigs that get more complex as the player gets closer. First 100 npcs.
cormack12
Gold Member
I played in a few betas of this and left appropriate feedback. I've no idea why the LoD is so aggressive. To put it into context, you could lean against the wall with an NPC next to you. Just rotate the camera to a few different angles like one flat, one high and one low and you'd see different clothes spawn. At first I thought it was just fine detail, but the actual clothing changed from colour to seam design. LoD should not be loading or changing that close to the player.
With regards to the OP, I think they always had the white polygonal mesh when the engine was spawning in NPC's. I certainly remember it from ACIII round New York and Boston. It looks like it spawns in faster now. A couple of other points:
:: Plenty of people reporting not seeing the same issues. Such a mix of hard disks out there will be unlikely to pin it down as a performance factor I guess.
:: It seems to be exacerbated by running/sprinting - fair comment?
:: Weird how other NPC's in the *.webm are already there
Shame really, some gifs and webm's make the environment look amazing, but the beta annoyed me so much I know these problems will prevent me enjoying the game :/
But it's very glitchy, sometimes NPC's just in front of Arno look like a ps1 character...
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea the devs definitely needed a bit more time to polish the new crowd tech.
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
This is just funny at this point. I guess that's one way to improve performance.
The_Ur_Quan
BioWare Dev
I've been playing the 4th patch for a good few hours, ran across one end of Paris to the other on general principle, both in narrow alleys and wide open streets (especially open areas where pop-ins and issues are inherently easier to spot in any game, not just Unity) and the game is noticeably smoother than ever, even more than the 3rd patch's vast improvements. Launch was terrible, but speaking for myself and a few of my colleagues and friends who have been following up on the patches, the experience has only gotten better.
kriskrosbbk
Member
Ubisoft has to be obsoleted or to move forward doing something else .Like
SirNinja
Member
In this case, I'm very glad I did. This week I'm getting a free $60 game because of it.
Ubisoft has to be obsoleted or to move forward doing something else .Like
Or cotton socks for kids?
well yes I know. But ussually most games LOD is using a unique model for every model, and they just lower the detail and quality of each model the further it is. But what I was pointing out, In Unity it seems to use a different approuch. So instead it uses the same more generic model across many different unique NPCs. thus why in this game the jump is more jaring and drastic than other games, and you see things like clothes, and textures having drastic changes. Basically there are is something like a pool of 20 low quality generic models, that are used on 50 unique higher quality models.(numbers are just as an example)
I was just pointing out that this way it likely frees up even more resources than how many other games do it. As I personally havent seen other games use this approuch. Likely as other games haven't had so may NPCs on screen as this.
pretty sure I have seen this before awhile back, but the video wont play for me now, or just keeps locking up. I remeber them saying that the AI is dumber or less complex the further back, but dont recall them mentioning anything special or out of the ordinary about their appearance or why the LOD jump is so jarring, other than standard HD LOD stuff.
oh wow thanks for that one, i laughed.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...crowd-assembled-in-assassins-creed-unity.aspx
This article elaborates on how they handled AI.
Clockwork
Member
I posted earlier in this thread that I was not seeing the extreme pop-in noted in the OP.
I just got done playing some more but recorded a clip. Although there is still pop-in, it is nothing like is being discussed and is pretty much the same as it has always been.
http://youtu.be/0eg9msIHeZE
I just got done playing some more but recorded a clip. Although there is still pop-in, it is nothing like is being discussed and is pretty much the same as it has always been.
http://youtu.be/0eg9msIHeZE
Mad Season
Banned
Others has reported similar experiences to yours (myself included) and Crossing posted a video too (but "lol Yes account doesn't count").
So, maybe like the other threads when things calm down a bit and the fire goes down. Right now this thread, the 40GB bug/patch for Xbox One and Tetris having problems...are just adding more fire.
I haven't had anymore npc's appear out of nowhere as i run into them, in around 3 more hours of gameplay since. But the pop-in is there. And the vid you posted has alot of pop-in too, specially in the second have of the vid. Plus i've noticed its harder to see the pop with low light ingame, much easier to see when the sun is shining bright.
Idk for sure if the pop-in is worse or not, it certainly seemed to be when i booted up after the patch, but i was specifically looking for it.(it was pretty bad before hand either way in fairness), and i might of worded my comment differently if i knew someone was going to make a thread from it. But thats besides the point that the pop-in has been in the game always and its brutal.
That's how the Animus rolls.
Clockwork
Member
Yeah, but the OP and thread title give the distinct impression that it's pretty much as horrible as the initial example given when that simply is not the case. I have yet to replicate that error and have found no instances where it is remotely that bad, yet the majority of replies have taken it as gospel.
I liken it to the other thread when the prior patch came out and people were lead to believe they lowered the IQ in some way only to find out later that wasn't exactly true.
Even you said in 3 hours of play since you have not seen the issue. If that's the case then it probably shouldn't be used as an example.
The Lone Courier
Member
Ubi gonna Ubi.
This is fucking ridiculous, Ubisoft have disappointed me so much this year.
So i go to install the new patch on the new Xbox one, bam 40 fucking gigs, whole re-download and install basically.
I can't have that shit, look at my internet LOOOK AT IT!: http://belco.bc.ca/
Standard $60.00
-40GB of Data
-Speeds Up to:
5.0 Mbps Download
1.0 Mbps Upload
-Overages: $2.00 Per Gig
40 gigs is B.S. is anyone know if that will be fixed or am i screwed?
I would ask for a refund right now if i had a hope in hell of getting one. Never have I been so mad at a game company.....im extra mad because Farcry 4 PC won't let me join friends games.
So i go to install the new patch on the new Xbox one, bam 40 fucking gigs, whole re-download and install basically.
I can't have that shit, look at my internet LOOOK AT IT!: http://belco.bc.ca/
Standard $60.00
-40GB of Data
-Speeds Up to:
5.0 Mbps Download
1.0 Mbps Upload
-Overages: $2.00 Per Gig
40 gigs is B.S. is anyone know if that will be fixed or am i screwed?
I would ask for a refund right now if i had a hope in hell of getting one. Never have I been so mad at a game company.....im extra mad because Farcry 4 PC won't let me join friends games.
ClaptoVaughn
Member
For what it's worth, at that download speed, you may roll into the next billing period before it's close to being done.
iNvid02
Member
delete the installed game from hard drive and patch will be normal size
that's the workaround for time being iirc
Escape Goat
Member
I've got NPCs running around inside houses that can't get out. They'll eventually disappear after about 5 seconds though. Poor people are terrified.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I've got NPCs running around inside houses that can't get out. They'll eventually disappear after about 5 seconds though. Poor people are terrified.
Not a bug. Unity is also Ubisoft's Sims competitor.
Caipirinha
Member
Please don't kill me for necro-ing but I still am not able to post new threads and this is the most recent AC:U patch thread I could find:-
I am interested to know how much more playable and how much better this game runs, specifically on PS4, since the horrible scores it got back on release, and if there is any reason to continue holding off for further improvements before buying?
Mods please delete as necessary if unacceptable necro but don't hit me pls.
I am interested to know how much more playable and how much better this game runs, specifically on PS4, since the horrible scores it got back on release, and if there is any reason to continue holding off for further improvements before buying?
Mods please delete as necessary if unacceptable necro but don't hit me pls.
The game got patch development support for.. two months? 6 weeks? Can't remember. Anyhoo - it basically works, but it clearly has technical issues still. It's playable.
ClayKavalier
Banned
I haven't been following it but I'd be shocked if they're planning any further improvements.
It's easy to find cheap now, if you're interested in it just play it.
It's easy to find cheap now, if you're interested in it just play it.
The OT would probably have been a better choice of thread to ask in.
As for your question, that I can't answer. I'm keeping my distance from everything AC or UBI
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